Dear Marin County Board of Supervisors: Reject The Sheriff’s Proposal To Install License Plate Cameras In The County

from the bay-area-big-brother dept

With almost zero public notice, the Board of Supervisors of Marin County, California (just to the north of San Francisco over the Golden Gate Bridge) is on the verge of approving tomorrow a demand by the county sheriff’s department to install license plate cameras throughout the county. As a county resident, I object. My comment submitted to the board is below.

Dear Marin County Supervisors:

In the last 30 days I have entered the Gateway Shopping Center in Marin City on at least 11/6, 11/21, and 11/24 to get groceries, dine, and purchase other household goods.

None of this information is your business, and it is certainly not the business of the Marin County Sheriff’s Department. But if you authorize their proposal to allow automatic license plate reader cameras to be installed throughout Marin County this location information is exactly the sort they will be able to know about each and every person driving in Marin County, be they residents or their guests.

I have also gone to Strawberry on at least 10/31, 11/7, 11/8, 11/10, 11/15, 11/16, and 11/21, to go grocery shopping, dine, and seek medical care.

As a resident in unincorporated Marin, these places are in my neighborhood and where I need to go to shop, dine, and do the business life requires. It is also the activity businesses in Marin depend on people doing. But if you let the Marin County Sheriff Department hang these cameras, it will be impossible to go to any of these places without them knowing.

I have also regularly driven on Highway 1 to enter Mill Valley. I do not have complete records of these travels, but if you let the Sheriff’s Department hang the cameras where they propose, they will.

And it is not just residents of unincorporated Marin who will have the details of their personal life documented by the police; it will be every single person with any reason to be here in the county, including every lawful one. The proposal preys on fear, such as with the included “crime heat map.” But it is a “heat map” that happens to directly correlate to where people live and conduct business in the county and thus happens to reflect where most activity occurs, including lawful activity, which would all be caught by this camera dragnet too.

The sheriff further proposes to hang cameras on Sir Francis Drake, a major artery through Marin County, providing access to much of central Marin, including countless medical establishments in Greenbrae itself. Do you wish to also know about when I’ve visited doctors there? Soon the sheriff will be able to tell you.

None of this information is something the police are entitled to know. The privacy the United States Constitution affords to be secure in our papers and effects restricts this sort of incursion into the public’s private lives without probable cause that a crime has already been committed so that people can be free to go about their lives, unchilled by the prospect of agents of the state knowing their business without any justification. The sheriff’s department alleges in its paperwork that county counsel has reviewed the proposal, but nothing submitted reflects any coherent practical or legal argument that it is constitutionally appropriate or possible for you to allow the sheriff’s department to invade every resident’s privacy as they so propose. In fact, all of the paperwork submitted is entirely self-serving and supplied by the very government agency that seeks to have this additional power over civilian lives. Nothing more neutral or independent has been provided to the board by any other state or county agency, nor any other civil society organization, who could provide you with the information you need to recognize the immense cost of the proposal in forms other than purely financial.

Granted, I may have little to fear from the cameras the sheriff wants to install in the Oak Manor neighborhood, as I’m rarely there. But the people living in the neighborhood surely go out and about, so soon you will have information about their comings and goings.

However, the sheriff also proposes to have these cameras on the streets approaching the Marin County Civic Center, surrounding the heart of local county government with a moat of surveillance, which means that the sheriff will be able to track every single person who approaches the building for any reason, including to attend public hearings (such as this one), to petition their local government for any reason a resident might need to seek assistance from their local government, or to register to vote. Personally I think it has been more than 30 days since my last visit to this famous Frank Lloyd Wright-designed building (which also contains a public library), but when I make my next visit, the sheriff will know.

The sheriff proposal says it is to help it police against property crime. And no one likes crime. But crime is not the only harm the public can experience. The cameras themselves pose their own, and it is incumbent on this board to recognize how damaging the oversight police are demanding to have over our lives itself is. The reason people worry about equity impact is that there is a very real harm done to the public when they cannot live lives free from police scrutiny. But that effect reaches everyone in the public, not just those the police have a known habit of unduly targeting. With these ubiquitous cameras, every single person in Marin County will have the details of their lives available for the police to scrutinize. No pallor can protect anyone from the harm that can follow to have their lives recorded in police-controlled ledgers because it is that recording itself that is a harm now everyone must incur.

It will be incurred by everyone traveling to central and western Marin on Lucas Valley Road. I last was there more than 30 days ago, on October 22, but the next time I try to attend a concert in Nicasio (or go biking, or go buy cheese) you will have record of it.

And for no good reason. The deterrence effect of these cameras the police tout is overstated. License plate cameras do not magically prevent crime. Crime still happens. Sometimes serious crimes. But instead of looking at how ineffective cameras are, the lesson we’ve learned from the local towns that have already inflicted cameras on us is that their inherent inability to prevent crime tends to just lead to calls for more cameras, because the police’s appetite to know the details of people’s lives is insatiable. They won’t stop here, asking for just these cameras. When crime inevitably happens they will want more: more cameras, in more places, and maybe even other tools that will help them know more about the private details of the lives of the people in this county. After all, if one invests in the fallacy that these cameras will help anything, then there is no limiting principle to think that more such tools won’t similarly be warranted, until there is no place anywhere in Marin where people can go about their lives without being watched by the government.

At least I won’t personally have to worry much about the cameras proposed for the Atherton area near Highway 37, because now that I’ve relocated to southern Marin I’m seldom there. But I used to be there often, and if you’d had the cameras hung then, you’d know.

Because there’s no assurance by any of the hand-waving phrases contained within the proposal to convince you that there are no real concerns raised. For instance, it uses words like, “encryption,” which is indeed important, but also not itself a magic solution for every problem, and which is also useless as a defense for the interests of the public when the police still have the key to all the data. The proposal also includes language saying that the sheriff will own the data, as if that provides any sort of assurance for the public when it is their data that the police want to own. Don’t be fooled by the platitudes; instead recognize them as the smoke and mirrors being deployed to distract from the serious issues license plate cameras raise (and the profit motive of the vendor, who has no reason to care as long as they are paid).

We all will feel the effects, even for cameras hung in places where we visit less frequently. We are still a community, and people come to us as much as we go to them. For instance, I still have friends in the Novato area, and I’m sure you’d be interested to know that I visited one in the Indian Valley area where you plan to have cameras on 11/11, as well as 10/28.

This board should stand up for the rights of its constituents and vote to reject the sheriff’s proposal to install cameras anywhere in the county. But at minimum it should delay any action until there can be greater public input with ample notice. This proposal has been treated like a ministerial budgetary item few in the county would care about evaluating. Indeed the fiscal impact may be relatively minor, although if the sheriff’s department really believes it has money to burn on cameras perhaps that money could be reclaimed for the general budget and better spent on, say, a guidance counselor or other public resources that might actually deter criminality.

But its overall impact is enormous, affecting the lives of every single person in the county. Thus requires everyone to be able to carefully scrutinize what this board plans to do to them if it were to approve the proposal. Yet we can’t; this proposal is getting slipped past us without any meaningful effort to call attention to it commensurate with its impact. The “staff report” item in the agenda, which was written not by county staff but by the sheriff’s department, is itself is dated as of tomorrow, which calls into question whether approval could even be compliance with SB 34 requiring the agency to provide adequate notice to the public before installing these cameras, since the report itself does not even legally exist until the day it appears on the agenda and after the deadline for written comments at 3:30pm on November 27.

The county is certainly capable of providing more conspicuous notice, like as it does every time it wants the public to vote on one of its propositions. And for something this serious, similar advertising efforts are warranted. After all, if this board is inclined to allow the police so much oversight of our lives, then it should do everything possible to ensure that the public is able to provide meaningful oversight of its choices so that we can hold those who make them accountable.

I urge you to vote no on the proposal.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

…. TechDirt is very good at highlighting the many routine abuses of Police power.

Mass warrant-less surveillance of License Plates is a major violation of citizen 4th Amendment privacy rights.
That is the issue.

The supposed ‘Equity’ problem as the primary complaint against the cameras … entirely misreads the serious fundamental legal issue at stake here.

Anonymous Coward says:

Well done for at least speaking up.

Personally, I would have been a bit less adversarial and not used myself as the example (since the people involved obviously don’t care about you) and used THEM as the example instead.

That is, it appears that those cameras are going up everywhere the public officials making decisions at this meeting are likely to go in the county, meaning that if approved, the Sherrif’s office will be able to hold all public officials accountable for their whereabouts at all times, so they’d better get good at minuting exactly why they’re taking each trip in their vehicle, because that information is about to become public record.

That One Guy (profile) says:

Re: What's good for the goose is good for the gander

That was my thought as well, if you want to get politicians, public officials and law enforcement to see the problem with pervasive tracking like this turn it on them.

If in response to attempts by politicians and/or law enforcement to set up license plate cameras people in a potentially impacted area set up their own network of cameras to track vehicles of said politicians and/or law enforcement(for ‘crime prevention’ purposes of course) I strongly suspect that suddenly they’d become a hell of a lot more invested about the privacy concerns involved.

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Anonymous Coward says:

According to SB 34, the notice has to be posted for 30 days on the web site.

But since it does not exist until tomorrow, it cannot be voted on at that meeting.

Further, such posting, for “Substitute notice” provision, has to be “conspicuous”. You can’t just post the report on some service (granicus), not have any references to it on the front page of your web site, and call that good enough. To find the relevant link, I had to find the agenda for the upcoming meeting, find the relevant line, click on THAT link. NOT conspicuous.

The method of getting to the page also does not lend itself to dating via the Wayback machine (except by explicit request). So there is no way to verify when the agenda was put up, when it was last changed, or what changes have been made to it.

That One Guy (profile) says:

Re:

“…You hadn’t exactly gone out of your way to call attention to them had you? I mean like actually telling anyone or anything.”

“But the plans were on display…”

“On display? I eventually had to go down to the cellar to find them.”

“That’s the display department.”

“With a torch.”

“Ah, well the lights had probably gone.”

“So had the stairs.”

“But look you found the notice didn’t you?”

“Yes,” said Arthur, “yes I did. It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of The Leopard’.” — Douglas Adams.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Just a note:

“Owned by the Sheriff’s department” does not mean “limited in distribution to only the Sheriff’s department”.

q.v. license plate records.

Once they have it, they’ll get requests from all over the country “did our guy pass by one of your cameras?”.

And if the department hires some third party to do things like “provide software showing travel records for given licenses”, said third party is likely to also have access to those records. … At which point you might as well give up pretending there is any privacy.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

Out of curiosity, are such things considered public records? They are images taken in a public location, by a government official. Since there’s nothing private about any individual image, could these LPR photos be subject to FOIA requests?

In which case, the captured images (including license plates of police, including those from the Sherrif’s department, and including anyone working for the county) are supposedly available to any American who requests them.

Anonymous Coward says:

surveillance cameras...

We should allow this – and pass a law that requires that all public employees and elected officials license plates, for their private vehicles and any official vehicles, be freely available and downloadable online, and that the camera sighting database be available for -anyone- to log in and search and download the sighting information for any license plate number. I’m sure some entrepreneurial programmer could come up wiht an app that input a license plate number, and drew all the sighting points onto a map.

After all, any person could stand on any street corner and take notes of passing license plate numbers – and being able to access a publicly funded database should be a right for citizens paying the taxes and salaries of our police, sheriffs, and elected officials. I’m sure that with these minor conditions, our law enforcement and elected officials will be on board with the cameras.

danderbandit (profile) says:

It's spreading

San Diego’s Mayor just signed into law the use “Smartlights”. https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/san-diego-mayor-gloria-signs-into-law-use-of-smart-streetlights-license-plate-readers/3363157/

A couple of years after they were removed, more likely turned off (so they said) because of the outcry. That was after they were bought and installed without any notice. I didn’t know this was even being discussed.

I don’t live in the city of San Diego, but just like Ms. Gellis, I am there often enough. It’s 1984, just took a little longer to get here.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

Just get some infra red LEDs that can render your plate unreadable. Blind the cameras so your plate cannot be read.

That is what I intend to do with my cars. Because of a few brawls that happened in some pars, Cedar Fair, 6 flags and Disney now intend to intend to put ALPRs in their parks.
rks
As long as am behaving myself in their parks, they have NO BUSINESS reading my plates.

Just because a few troublemakers caused problems they want to use ALPRs on everyone. That is not going to happen with my plate. I intend to have them runnig my plates. I am not going to be a number in someone’s database.

Same thing at Sea World in San Diego.

If either Sea World, Disney, Cedar Fair, 6 Flags, the city of San Diego, or the County of Marin does not like that fact I intend to use infra red LEDs to foil their plate reader cameras, they can all just go FLAG OFF.

I will NOT submit to being tracked. If they do not like that, tough.

It is not a criminal offense anywhere in either Canada, Mexico, or the United States to foil plate readers. In the three countries where those park operators have parks, it is not a criminal offense to foil plate readers with LEDs

Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

I think those cameras are getting ready for Ultra Low Emissions Zone (ULEZ). That is another reason why I intend put infra red LEDS on my plates, so that when San Francisco eventally starts ULEZ, I evade getting fined for having a “non compliant” vehicle when I want to go to a Giants baseball game at Oracle Park.

If their ULEZ cameras cannot read my plate, they can’t send me fine just because my vehicle does not comply with the ULEZ

If I want to go to a Giants ballgame, I will use such LEDs, when ULEZ starts in SF, and if the City Of San Francisco does not like that, tough.

San Francisco, San Diego, Los Angeles and NYC either have started, or will start, using ULEZ, so if you work in any of those cities, and cannot get there without a car, I strongly suggest putting such LEDs on your plates ASAP.

People that cannot afford to live nearby and have to drive from somwhere that public transporation is not an option will be hurt the most, and that is why I advocate that people who work in those cites and whose only option is to drive, put those in their ASAP. It could means not having to pay hundreds of dollars a month just to commute to work.

NYC’s planned congestion/ULEZ will add up to $460 a month people who have to drive to work.

Using an infra red LED on your plates will save them from having to pay all that money each. That could make a differnce of whether food on the able.

I advocate that those who have to drive into NYC for work, do that.

With the cost of living going out of sight, working people who have to drive into the city will no choice but to take such measures, especially in NYC.

Moby (user link) says:

Funny

Funny how they don’t care when they are posted in poor neighborhood; with a higher percentage of colored people, but suddenly they care when it’s posted it wealthy neighborhoods.

You have zero expectations of privacy in public. There are probably already a dozen privately owned cameras recording you coming and goings. Where’s your faux outrage for those?

Let’s drop the BS and just admit your sense of entitlement is the problem here.

Rocky says:

Re:

Funny how they don’t care when they are posted in poor neighborhood; with a higher percentage of colored people, but suddenly they care when it’s posted it wealthy neighborhoods.

In general, people who understand the issue and the slippery slope it presents always have problems with warrantless surveillance regardless where it is done. Wealthy people who are clueless and just skate on their success and wealth aren’t used to being treated the same as those they find “undesirable”. As the saying goes, when you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression which is just another facet of I never thought leopards would eat MY face.

You have zero expectations of privacy in public.

I’d expect that people won’t be tracked by the government, it has something to do with the 4th amendment I believe.

There are probably already a dozen privately owned cameras recording you coming and goings. Where’s your faux outrage for those?

Do all these privately owned cameras function as LPRs where the information is then collated centrally so they can track the movement of individuals?

Let’s drop the BS and just admit your sense of entitlement is the problem here.

I think people are entitled to enjoy the rights granted in the constitution.

Moby says:

Re: Re: Case settled

What constitutional right is being violated exactly? We already covered the “no expectation of privacy in public…”

Btw, LP cameras don’t record people. They trigger when a license plate is detected. The LP is recorded, that’s it.

Plenty of countries live with CCTV cameras everywhere in public. They seem to be doing just fine.

Rocky says:

Re: Re: Re:

What constitutional right is being violated exactly? We already covered the “no expectation of privacy in public…”

“No expectation of privacy in public” has actually very little to do with the 4th amendment because it limits what the government can actually do to people in general and not just in public.

There are already jurisprudence about the government tracking cars in public. In the SCOTUS decision for United States v. Jones it was determined that installing a GPS tracker on a car constituted a “search”.

In United States v. Katzin, the lawyers for the Katzin brothers argued that this type of search which gathers up a shit-load of revealing data, is something that should require a warrant which the Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit agreed with.

The above reasoning can be extended to the government installing ubiquitous LPR’s to track the movement of people and their cars.

Btw, LP cameras don’t record people. They trigger when a license plate is detected. The LP is recorded, that’s it.

Doesn’t actually matter, the same reasoning could then be applied to tracking any private property a person may have, like a cellphone, and the locations which isn’t actually “recording people” either.

Plenty of countries live with CCTV cameras everywhere in public. They seem to be doing just fine.

No other country has the Constitution and the 4th amendment. But if you want to argue that pervasive surveillance and tracking from the government is a good thing, go ahead but you then don’t get to complain when you get to be a suspect because someone unknown perpetrated a crime the police geofenced your presence to at the time.

Rocky says:

Re: Re: Re:2

I forgot to mention the important thing about the 4th amendment and the “no expectation of privacy in public”.

In Katz v. United states it was ruled that you have an expectation of privacy in public from the government, which hinges on the person’s subjective expectation of privacy for their activities and/or items, and that the person must show that this subjective expectation of privacy is one that society considers reasonable.

Most people have the expectation that their every movement wont be tracked by the government. Trying to erode this expectation is the same as eroding people’s constitutional rights.

LostInLoDOS (profile) says:

Why the concern?

I still don’t understand why you’re afraid of being seen abiding by the law.

License plate readers are very used against crime.
They can track fleeing suspects, catch speeders, locate stolen cars. Find kidnappings, just to name a few.
While I prefer full video cameras over readers, I don’t see what the issue is.
More directly, what is it that you are doing or intend to do that you don’t want law enforcement to see?

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