Part 2: Microsoft Bolsters Sony’s Justification For Withholding Console Info In Court Doc

from the whoops dept

The ongoing saga that is Microsoft’s attempt to purchase Activision Blizzard continues! As a brief review of the scoreboard will show: the EU has approved the purchase, the UK’s CMA has blocked it and Microsoft has appealed that decision, and the lawsuit brought by the FTC in the States is currently in the pretrial phase. Last we checked in on the FTC suit, Sony’s Jim Ryan gave a deposition in which he claimed that if the purchase was allowed, that Sony might not share information about any future consoles with Microsoft-owned developers like Activision Blizzard out of fear that Microsoft would use that information, critical to giving developers information needed to make games for those future consoles, in ways that Sony wouldn’t like. In that post, I made clear that this was a bad look for Sony, which has several first-party titles on the Xbox, given its anticompetitive nature in a lawsuit that the FTC is bringing on grounds of the merger being anti-competition.

Now it appears that Microsoft has thrown something of a lifeline to Sony on that front. In a recent pretrial filing from Microsoft, in which it makes the argument that Sony and the FTC are too limited in the consoles that they claim compete with the Xbox series of consoles, Microsoft sure seems confident in the next few consoles Sony plans to release.

In a section of the document tantalizingly subtitled “The Console Market Must Include Nintendo,” Microsoft is taking issue with the FTC’s position that Xbox and PlayStation are in a two-horse race because “they are offered at a similar price.” This, they say, is “unpersuasive,” on the basis of previous Supreme Court rulings (uh-oh), but also that the FTC’s analysis “considers only the high-end models of Xbox (Series X) and PlayStation (standard edition), thereby ignoring the differentiation within Xbox’s console lines.” They make the point that a Series S and a Switch cost the same, and their budget model is fifty bucks less than a Switch OLED.

But then, with a canny dismissiveness, they throw in at the end of the paragraph:

PlayStation likewise sells a less expensive Digital Edition for $399.99, and is expected to release a PlayStation 5 Slim later this year at the same reduced price point.

Now, to be clear, there is a lot of speculation about this already out there in the wild. So it wouldn’t be out of the realm of the reasonable for Microsoft to be simply speculating on a Slim version of the PS5 being on the docket, similar to what Sony did with the PS4.

On the other hand:

The line comes with a footnote adding, “Sony is also anticipated to release a handheld version of the PlayStation 5 later this year for under $300.”

This would be Sony’s Project Q, for which they’ve revealed almost nothing, let alone a street date or price!

There has been some speculation about the handheld as well, but not because it follows the format of previously released PlayStation consoles and their progression to other versions. This very much looks like Microsoft outing Sony’s plans for a next generation series of consoles, including a handheld, which aren’t currently on offer. Press speculation aside, putting this in a court filing when that information isn’t officially public is quite a choice.

And, either way, the optics of this are terrible. At best, it’s Microsoft using a court filing to undercut Sony’s release announcements for future consoles, which isn’t great. At worst, it’s Microsoft tipping its hand that it already has some inside information on these future consoles, possibly from the Zenimax acquisition, which goes some lengths to bolstering Sony’s concerns about how Microsoft is going to use information about future consoles should Sony share that information with them.

You just have to love a gaming industry story where everyone is the bad guy.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re:

That alone, given what the public already know from Sony’s official announcements, really looks more like Microsoft trying to make out that they DON’T have insider info.

But as we’ve seen, their legal team are pretty bad at just having basic knowledge the public know about MICROSOFT products, like suggesting an Elder Scrolls game is due in 2025, when VI isn’t due until at least 2030 as it has not even entered pre-production yet

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

Oddly enough there is an elder scrolls related thing expected to launch in 2025… The catch is Bethesda isn’t the one behind it.

There’s been a project by a team of Modders in the works for around a decade under the name of Skyblivion. As the name suggest, it’s supposed to be a remake of Oblivion in Skyrim’s engine.

Rich (profile) says:

Re:

In the past, Microsoft had quite the history of withholding certain DOS and Windows api documentation from publication in order to keep them reserved for their own software developers to have an advantage over other companies. So…this article…is about Microsoft being ok with Sony withholding info from competing developers…etc…need I go on?

PaulT (profile) says:

Re: Re:

It’s a fun ride, if only because there’s so many changes over the years. MS used to do very dirty tricks to prevent competitors from actually competing, and they used to claim FOSS was a cancer to be destroyed. Now, you can literally run Linux within Windows with full permission. Their infamously bad XBox One launch depended on Kinect and no backward compatibility, now you can run an XBox Series X game from a Macbook if you wish.

There’s a lot of historical problems, but while you can run a game for a console you don’t own via XBox but you basically have to buy a new console to play the games that Sony have paid devs not to release anywhere else, it should be clear why this weird situation is ore complicated than when Bullmer was throwing chairs at people.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Michael Viera

who the fuck is still reading techdirt after even NY Times and Polico exposed their fraudulent reporting on the Twitter Files

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/04/business/federal-judge-biden-social-media.html
https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/04/judge-limits-biden-administration-contact-with-social-media-firms-00104656

The Twitter Files documents even contributed to that injunction, but all Techdirt did was downplaying it.

TaboToka (profile) says:

Re: Reading is Fundamental

who the fuck is still reading techdirt

Apparently you are, so what’s your excuse?

after even NY Times and Polico exposed their fraudulent reporting on the Twitter Files

There’s no “fraudulent reporting”. The Twitter Files (TTFs) are a nothingburger, and anyone with the bare minimum of reading comprehension skills knows this.

Let’s look at page 232 of the sworn deposition of FBI Agent Chan, the supposed “smoking gun” Elmo thinks TTFs expose:

Q. BY MR. SAUER: Okay. So right here at Paragraph 17 he
says, "The Site Integrity Team blocked Twitter
users from sharing links over Twitter to the
applicable New York Post articles and prevented
users who had previously sent tweets sharing those
articles from sending new tweets until they deleted
the tweets violating Twitter's policies," correct?

A. BY THE WITNESS: So that is what he wrote, but I am not
aware of the specific details of the actions that
they took until you just read that paragraph to me
today.

Q. Do you know if anyone at Twitter reached
out to anyone at the FBI to check or verify
anything about the Hunter Biden story?

A. I am not aware of any communications
between Yoel Roth and the FBI about this topic.

Q. Are you aware of any communications
between anyone at Twitter and anyone in the federal
government about the decision to suppress content
relating to the Hunter Biden laptop story once the
story had broken?

MR. SUR: Objection; lacks foundation.

THE WITNESS: I am not aware of Mr. Roth's
discussions with any other federal agency. As I
mentioned, I am not aware of any discussions with
any FBI employees about this topic as well. But I
only know who I know. So I don't -- he may have
had these conversations, but I was not aware of it.

Q. BY MR. SAUER: You mentioned Mr. Roth.
How about anyone else at Twitter, did anyone else
at Twitter reach out, to your knowledge, to anyone
else in the federal government?

A. So I can only answer for the FBI. To my
knowledge, I am not aware of any Twitter employee
reaching out to any FBI employee regarding this
topic.

You’re so wrong so often, one could wonder if that’s your true goal.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

At this point, anyone who keeps hammering these nothingburgers as if they’re a smoking gun are to be treated as traitors to America and should be treated as such.

They clearly want to undermine America for another country.

Just a reminder, if the FBI isn’t allowed to at least warn companies about incoming cyberattacks, then America is going to be very, very open to hackers from other nationstates like how the CIA hacks other countries.

Anonymous Coward says:

Of course, everyone in the Copyright Industry are bad guys. Copyright within context of “Intellectual Property” is an evil ideology as it robs humankind of its natural rights of common ownership and access to culture. This “Intellectual Property” ideology is especially evil when this ideology supports oppression that cost human life like in cases humans being denied access to life-saving technologies. Like medicine, agriculture and sanitation technology for humans in third-world countries.

Defenders of Copyright may deem it as “necessary” evil but it is still an evil nonetheless and the Copyright Industry self-servingly chose to perpetuate this “necessary” evil by supporting excessive copyright monopoly lengths, excessive restrictions on copying, utilizing, and building-on of “intellectual property” and harsher punishment for those contravening those restrictions, regardless of the “ necessity” of the evil or the “goodness” of the evil for a free modern digital society that supposedly value free speech and free market and liberties in general.

Any ruthless exploiters of captive markets that they have hand in creating are bad guys. Any people working with them are supporting and perpetuating the evil oppression that Copyright is. They are bad guys too. maybe like people dumping trash in your yard just so to save bucks not paying for their trash to be hauled away instead. Not as bad as like say a government entity that choose to build a garbage dump besides your home but bad nonetheless.

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