EU ISPs Join US ISPs In Demanding ‘Big Tech’ Give Them Billions For No Coherent Reason
from the ain't-gonna-ride-my-pipes-for-free dept
Earlier this year, we noted how FCC Commissioner Brendan Carr had launched a bad faith effort suggesting that “big tech” gets a “free ride” on the internet, and should be forced to fund broadband expansion. Carr’s argument, that companies like Google and Netflix somehow get a free ride (they don’t) and should “pay their fair share” (they already do) is a fifteen year old AT&T lobbyist talking point.
And it’s contagious among telecom executives worldwide. As the EU contemplates its digital policy trajectory for the next decade, the idea that “big tech” should pay “big telecom” for no coherent reason has also managed to unsurprisingly surface:
European Union member countries want tech companies like Google and Netflix to chip in cash for telecoms infrastructure in order to ramp up 5G across the bloc.
Hinting at a future tax for online platforms’ use of telecoms infrastructure, EU capitals wrote that “all market actors benefiting from the digital transformation” should assume their social responsibilities and “make a fair and proportionate contribution to the costs of public goods, services and infrastructures,” according to a text seen by POLITICO.
Telecom monopolies like AT&T want to offload (often neglected or half-completed) network builds and maintenance costs to somebody else to make investors happy. That somebody else is usually taxpayers, who’ve thrown billions in pointless tax breaks and dubious regulatory favors at telecom giants in exchange for fiber networks always (so mysteriously!) left half completed and jobs that never arrive.
AT&T’s quest to “double dip” here (get paid for bandwidth up front then paid extra… just because) has been pretty much never ending. It’s basically what started the whole net neutrality fight (Google, which already pays plenty for bandwidth, should pay us extra if they want their traffic to reach consumers on a timely basis!). And it’s rhetoric that’s been adopted globally in the years since.
It’s easy to dress this all up as something far more noble that it actually is. For example, what’s really happening is that telecom lobbyists are influencing corrupt lawmakers to suggest that “big tech” should throw billions at “big telecom.” What it’s portrayed as is a good faith effort to shore up funding of essential infrastructure and close the digital divide, be it in the EU or U.S.
The tell is that the underlying rhetoric is always false, and always the same. Basically, that “big tech” gets a “free ride” on the internet and should give telecom giants money for some mysterious reason:
“There are players who generate a lot of traffic that then enables their business but who have not been actually contributing to enable that traffic; they have not been contributing to enabling the investments in the rollout of connectivity,” said Commission Executive Vice President Margrethe Vestager on May 5.
Telecoms companies have been complaining for more than a decade that Google’s YouTube and Netflix have been getting a free ride on costly infrastructure, while tech companies counter that they’re indirectly contributing through content consumers’ internet subscription payments. Major firms like Google and Facebook have also ramped up their investment in undersea internet cables, the world’s digital information pipelines.
Functional news outlets would normally step in here to note that Google and Netflix don’t get a free ride on the Internet (when it comes to telecom monopolies, nobody does). They not only pay billions of dollars for cloud storage and their own bandwidth, they own countless billions in transit routes, content delivery networks, and undersea fiber transit routes.
Again, if policymakers like Carr and Vestager were truly interested in the cost-efficient financing of broader broadband deployment, their very first proposal would be a massive reform of the billions in subsidies, tax breaks, and regulatory favors thrown at telecom monopolies in repeated exchange for half-completed networks and layoffs. But they don’t do that for what should be fairly obvious reasons.
That’s not to say that there aren’t a lot of important discussions to be had on financing equitable and affordable broadband deployment. Just that telecom monopoly lobbyists have a knack for infecting the discourse to nab additional handouts for an already subsidy-slathered telecom industry, then somehow dressing this all up as altruism.
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Comments on “EU ISPs Join US ISPs In Demanding ‘Big Tech’ Give Them Billions For No Coherent Reason”
Big tech business model engage users and sell advertising, using profits to expand.
Big telecom business model, give us money, and get governments to tell some businesses to give us money, while we do the minimum to keep profitable users.
Re: wonderful idea
They werent the first to do it.
BASIC CAPITALISM.
WE pay the corps for service,
Corps lobby for favors(our money)
Gov gives favors(our taxes)
Corp raises Prices cause they Paid everyone in the State and Fed politics.
Back to the top.
This is nothing.
The problem is about WHO OWNS WHAT, and isnt Improving What Was/is/ and Should become.
as in the Backbone to the Whole system.
Who controls the Hardwire phones? Cellphones? Most Cable corps? Verizon has over 10 smaller companies under them.
How Much has been Done in the past 20 years by the Main corps? Not allot. Has the Backbone been updated? who can tell? Has the Internal hardware been upgraded? Not really!
Now internet services. The ones that you DONT have to pay, if you AINT buying from them. What do they do? They Love to track you with bots, that you can remove, but then you have to remember your password. Netflix? You dont have to buy the service.
You cant get to them unless you PAY an ISP.(PIMP)
What'll Big Telecom be wanting next?
Chicks for free?
Once again its time to say if they are so sure we get a free ride they are willing to cover our internet fees for a month right?
One would think with as much as the telcos are screaming the others are getting a free ride, someone should take a look at how much the telcos are paying for their ride.
Its like on reality tv where the guy is accusing his girl of cheating, they take the lie detector and low and behold shes been faithful and hes the cheating asshole.
Re: 'If we're getting a free ride then you can pay it easy, right?'
I would love it if the likes of Google were to finally call the lie and actually do that. Make a public challenge on as many platforms and outlets as possible for the people claiming that they get a free ride to either put up or shut up, paying a month’s of Google’s internet fees or admit that they are more than paying for what they use.
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Google did kind of call the lie when they offered a 5 Mbps Google Fiber service for free (to anyone in the service area who paid the one-time installation fee). And then, as usual, they got bored and mostly canceled the whole Fiber project. Where it remains, apparently the free tier is now limited to low-income people.
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Eh, I mean that showed what they were willing to consider at the time but that’s not really calling the ‘Google gets a free ride on the backs of the poor ISPs’ lie.
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Don’t you think it kind of calls the “poor ISP” characterization into question, when speeds similar to bad DSL can be given away for free? This wasn’t some bullshit thing like Facebook’s, such that the free tier could only access Google stuff; nor something ad-supported like Netzero. If those customers were watching Netflix all day (which is possible on 5 Mbps, if only with 1 or 2 low-resolution streams), Google would have to pay for the transit. Which evidently costs so little that it’s hardly worth the hassle of billing.
The problem with arbitrary “public challenges” is that they do nothing but make the proposer feel good. What are you gonna do when they don’t respond, say they suck? Everyone already knows that. The ISPs could admit it themselves and it wouldn’t matter, ’cause there’s no competition. (cf. Saturday Night Live: “We don’t care. We don’t have to. We’re the phone company.”)
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More the local Telcos put as many obstacles in their way, making it difficult and slow to roll out their infra structure. You would find that delays in Telcos moving their stuff on poles, and maybe missing one and adding another few months delay extremely discouraging, and an uncontrollable expense for ypur rollout.
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As if they didn’t know about that stuff going in? One of their goals was to “test new ways to build fiber networks”; they didn’t say why, but it was a common assumption that this was to avoid the bullshit associated with the incumbents.
Anyway, it works against the idea that Google is some juggernaut pushing the helpless ISPs around.
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” And then, as usual, they got bored and mostly canceled the whole Fiber project”
Well, that’s one way to leave out most of the context and pretend Google was at fault for the huge barriers to entry erected by the existing monopolies, I suppose. It’s dishonest, but it’s one way to get to that conclusion.
Re: Lie detector
You know these don’t work, yeah? When you see one used in a court case shout me up…..
I don't understand the claim of massive federal support for telcos
In the pre-AT&T Breakup world, national circuit-switched phone network companies did not receive massive funding.
Direct federal funds usually went to rural providers, among which the main national telco providers, were not represented.
Often the national telcos obtained federal contracts on a cost+ basis. One can argue a cost+ federal contract is a form of federal support, but it is hard to assess how much the government should pay a natural monopoly in the area of the monopoly.
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Have you been under a rock since 1983 then?
Re: Re: I understand how the business economics works.
AT&T Network is still mostly a natural monopoly for circuit-switched service.
AT&T Internet competes with ISPs.
AT&T Wireless competes with wireless companies.
For fairness to the AT&T companies and to the customers, the accounting is kept separate.
Why should one AT&T company subsidize another AT&T company? Such cross-subsidization verges on illegal.
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If the government buys a bridge on a cost+ contract, no matter the overruns at the end the government has a bridge. That’s the justification of a cost plus contract, to ensure that the job isn’t abandoned if the costs overrun the bid.
When AT&T gets a cost plus contract, in the end AT&T owns whatever it built. AT&T receives assets subsidized by the government. Any payments to a natural monopoly to defray costs of that monopoly are a subsidy.
The only statement about subsidies argues that Telcos have a tendency to twist pushes for broadband deployment subsidies by setting rules that benefit them, like by defining a house as served if the fixed-line infrastructure is just nearby, when it still would still cost the homeowner thousands of dollars to get the connection to their home. This is objectively true.
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Shhh honey the adults are talking.
Let's all bend over
And guess whose pockets that money ultimately comes from…
ISPs are getting federal funds already
So over the years, various ISPs have received large sums of money (Comcast received a chunk at the beginning of the pandemic)…
I don’t recall seeing big tech getting the same treatment (unless you count Musk getting funds for starlink, but that’s more telco than tech)…
ISPs are also getting plenty of money via “fees”…
I’m starting to think that these ISPs are just getting used to getting large sums of money for no reason … just cuz…
If anyone is getting a “free ride” it’s the ISPs…
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I thought the reason was paying for services rendered in cooperating with the NSA and unconstitutional mass surveillance.
this is just simple curruption,graft, telecoms donate to politicans ,politicans are asked to pass laws that give billions to telecom corporations , google has spent billions building networks and laying cables it does not ask anyone for money apart from getting paid from companys or advertisers that use its services .
other countrys encourage competition and local services that provide broadband competition if big corporations do not build out networks .america is behind other countrys in providing broadband to consumers outside citys and urban area,s due to lack of competition
RICO? …RICO? …RICO?
Polo!
Is There Anything "Big Tech" Shouldn't Pay For?
This sounds like it has similarities to Canada’s link tax legislation (C-18). You have the arguments that somehow, “Big Tech” needs to pay their fair share in an industry that has nothing to do with the large platforms in the first place, there are “hard done by” or “downtrodden” other industries in play, and you even have the arguments that “Big Tech” has been seemingly “freeloading” off of others for too long on top of it all.
I get that the large platforms have a lot to answer for. I mean, you have the issues with data leaks, data tracking, use of personal data that was unauthorized, anti-competitive buyouts, ripping off publishers, etc. Yet, here we are, once again, trying to make “Big Tech” “pay” for a problem they had nothing to do with.
The worst part is is knowing that some clown is going to come into the debate, sooner or later, and claim that the reason that there is opposition is because “Big Tech” “doesn’t want to be regulated” and everything else in the debate is dismissed outright. If this follows the playbook that happened in Canada, then rational debates and commentary will eventually get set aside and irrational talking points will rule the day. It saddens me, as a Canadian, seeing this kind of thing happening in another part of the world.
free ride
Functional news outlets would normally step in here to note that Google and Netflix don’t get a free ride on the Internet (when it comes to telecom monopolies, nobody does).
why would MSM step in? they have there hand out too!
the problem is big corps. have there hand out too, expecting government welfare! then when theres a crisis. they all panic and think they are owed a bailout!
when a small business over extends it limits and fails. that’s it! they are done! when big corps. does the same thing. they expect big daddy government to step in help them out!
Google should block AT&T IP addresses from its backbone network entirely.
Suddenly ALL AT&T home internet drops to a crawl as it has to use older paths to communicate across states/oceans etc…….