Oh Look, Here's Some More Culture Being Canceled, Now Thanks To The Second Circuit

from the someday-my-prints-will-come dept

This decision, Andy Warhol Foundation for the Visual Arts v. Goldsmith, came out only a few weeks ago, yet before the Supreme Court ruled in Google v. Oracle. In light of that latter decision it’s not clear that this one is still good law. Then again, it’s not clear it ever was.

The decision is the latest by a Court of Appeal eviscerating fair use. I recently wrote about the Ninth Circuit’s ruling in Dr. Seuss Enterprises v. ComicMix, which also undermined fair use. To be fair, this latest one is perhaps a little less egregious. In this case, for instance, the copyright holder the court ruled in favor of is still alive while the defending party (referred in the decision as AWF) is the successor of someone who is dead. Whereas in the Dr. Seuss case it was the other way around, with the court going out of its way to let the successor to a dead person’s copyrights stick it to a live creator trying to make new works the dead person was never going to make for any number of reasons, not the least of which being that he’s dead.

But to call this decision less egregious is really more of a statement of how awful the Dr. Seuss case was, and not really any sort of compliment. Like the other decision, the implications of this one are just as dire.

For the basic background, the opening paragraph of the decision sets forth the basic facts (or you can read Mike’s writeup about the District Court ruling two years ago):

This case concerns a series of silkscreen prints and pencil illustrations created by the visual artist Andy Warhol based on a 1981 photograph of the musical artist Prince that was taken by Defendant-Appellant Lynn Goldsmith in her studio, and in which she holds copyright. In 1984, Goldsmith?s agency, Defendant-Appellant Lynn Goldsmith, Ltd. (?LGL?), then known as Lynn Goldsmith, Inc., licensed the photograph to Vanity Fair magazine for use as an artist reference. Unbeknownst to Goldsmith, that artist was Warhol. Also unbeknownst to Goldsmith (and remaining unknown to her until 2016), Warhol did not stop with the image that Vanity Fair had commissioned him to create, but created an additional fifteen works, which together became known as the Prince Series. [p. 3]

Prince’s death in 2016 seems to have been what precipitated Goldsmith’s discovery of the additional prints, because, as the decision later explained, it set in motion a chain of events that led to it.

On April 22, 2016, the day after Prince died, Cond? Nast, Vanity Fair?s parent company, contacted AWF. Its initial intent in doing so was to determine whether AWF still had the 1984 image, which Cond? Nast hoped to use in connection with a planned magazine commemorating Prince?s life. After learning that AWF had additional images from the Prince Series, Cond? Nast ultimately obtained a commercial license, to be exclusive for three months, for a different Prince Series image for the cover of the planned tribute magazine. Cond? Nast published the tribute magazine in May 2016 with a Prince Series image on the cover. Goldsmith was not given any credit or attribution for the image, which was instead attributed solely to AWF.

It was at this point that Goldsmith first became aware of the Prince Series. In late July 2016, Goldsmith contacted AWF to advise it of the perceived infringement of her copyright. That November, Goldsmith registered the Goldsmith Photograph with the U.S. Copyright Office as an unpublished work. [p. 11]

There’s plenty wrong with this decision. A lot of what’s wrong is with the decision itself, but even where the decision didn’t get the law wrong, it shows what is wrong with the law.

As far as the decision itself, one of the most prominent problems is its analysis of the four fair use factors, particularly on the question of whether the Warhol prints were transformative. Like the Ninth Circuit, here the Second Circuit tied itself in knots, “clarifying” [p. 18] binding precedent in that circuit (Cariou v. Prince, by focusing more heavily on the five prints that hadn’t been cleared as fair use instead of the 25 that were [p. 19-20]) to decide it wasn’t. Some of that knot-tying:

Which brings us back to the Prince Series. The district court held that the Prince Series works are transformative because they ?can reasonably be perceived to have transformed Prince from a vulnerable, uncomfortable person to an iconic, larger-than-life figure.? That was error.

Though it may well have been Goldsmith?s subjective intent to portray Prince as a ?vulnerable human being? and Warhol?s to strip Prince of that humanity and instead display him as a popular icon, whether a work is transformative cannot turn merely on the stated or perceived intent of the artist or the meaning or impression that a critic ? or for that matter, a judge ? draws from the work. Were it otherwise, the law may well ?recogniz[e] any alteration as transformative.? 4 Melville B. Nimmer & David Nimmer, Nimmer on Copyright ? 13.05(B)(6); see also Google, 804 F.3d at 216 n.18 (?[T]he word ?transformative,? if interpreted too broadly, can also seem to authorize copying that should fall within the scope of an author?s derivative rights.?). Rather, as we have discussed, the court must examine how the works may reasonably be perceived.

In conducting this inquiry, however, the district judge should not assume the role of art critic and seek to ascertain the intent behind or meaning of the works at issue. That is so both because judges are typically unsuited to make aesthetic judgments and because such perceptions are inherently subjective. As Goldsmith argues, her own stated intent notwithstanding, ?an audience viewing the [Goldsmith] [P]hotograph today, across the vista of the singer?s long career, might well see him in a different light than Goldsmith saw him that day in 1981.? Appellants? Br. at 40. We agree; it is easy to imagine that a whole generation of Prince?s fans might have trouble seeing the Goldsmith Photograph as depicting anything other than the iconic songwriter and performer whose musical works they enjoy and admire.

Instead, the judge must examine whether the secondary work?s use of its source material is in service of a ?fundamentally different and new? artistic purpose and character, such that the secondary work stands apart from the ?raw material? used to create it. Although we do not hold that the primary work must be ?barely recognizable? within the secondary work, as was the case with the works held transformative in Cariou, the secondary work?s transformative purpose and character must, at a bare minimum, comprise something more than the imposition of another artist?s style on the primary work such that the secondary work remains both recognizably deriving from, and retaining the essential elements of, its source material. [p. 26-28]

That last bit in bold, is a new statement of law. But it’s a “clarification” the court needed to make in order to impose its own judgment on what it perceived to be as an inadequate number of changes imposed by Warhol on the original photograph.

With this clarification, viewing the works side-by-side, we conclude that the Prince Series is not ?transformative? within the meaning of the first factor. That is not to deny that the Warhol works display the distinct aesthetic sensibility that many would immediately associate with Warhol?s signature style ? the elements of which are absent from the Goldsmith photo. [?] As in the case of such paradigmatically derivative works, there can be no meaningful dispute that the overarching purpose and function of the two works at issue here is identical, not merely in the broad sense that they are created as works of visual art, but also in the narrow but essential sense that they are portraits of the same person. [?] Although this observation does not per se preclude a conclusion that the Prince Series makes fair use of the Goldsmith Photograph, the district court?s conclusion rests significantly on the transformative character of Warhol?s work. But the Prince Series works can?t bear that weight. [p. 28-30]

In the court’s view, Warhol used too much of the original.

Warhol created the series chiefly by removing certain elements from the Goldsmith Photograph, such as depth and contrast, and embellishing the flattened images with ?loud, unnatural colors.? Nonetheless, although we do not conclude that the Prince Series works are necessarily derivative works as a matter of law, they are much closer to presenting the same work in a different form, that form being a high-contrast screenprint, than they are to being works that make a transformative use of the original. Crucially, the Prince Series retains the essential elements of the Goldsmith Photograph without significantly adding to or altering those elements. [p. 30]

It mattered not at all to the court that Warhol had significantly shifted the message of the original photograph. While Goldsmith had wanted to capture and convey Prince’s strength as an artist, she was left with a jittery subject who left the sitting early. [p. 7]. It was Warhol who had, as the district court found, ” transformed the image of Prince from a vulnerable, uncomfortable person to an iconic, larger-than-life figure.? [footnote 4]. She hadn’t communicated that message in her image; he had in its transformation of it.

[T]he Prince Series retains the essential elements of its source material, and Warhol?s modifications serve chiefly to magnify some elements of that material and minimize others. While the cumulative effect of those alterations may change the Goldsmith Photograph in ways that give a different impression of its subject, the Goldsmith Photograph remains the recognizable foundation upon which the Prince Series is built. [p. 31]

But this is just more knot-tying.

We begin with the uncontroversial proposition that copyright does not protect ideas, but only ?the original or unique way that an author expresses those ideas, concepts, principles, or processes.? Rogers, 960 F.2d at 308. As applied to photographs, this protection encompasses the photographer?s ?posing the subjects, lighting, angle, selection of film and camera, evoking the desired expression, and almost any other variant involved.? Id. at 307. The cumulative manifestation of these artistic choices ? and what the law ultimately protects ? is the image produced in the interval between the shutter opening and closing, i.e., the photograph itself. This is, as we have previously observed, the photographer?s ?particular expression? of the idea underlying her photograph. Leibovitz, 137 F.3d at 115-16.

It is thus easy to understand why AWF?s contention misses the mark. The premise of its argument is that Goldsmith cannot copyright Prince?s face. True enough. Were it otherwise, nobody else could have taken the man?s picture without either seeking Goldsmith?s permission or risking a suit for infringement. But while Goldsmith has no monopoly on Prince?s face, the law grants her a broad monopoly on its image as it appears in her photographs of him, including the Goldsmith Photograph concluded that ?defendant could freely copy the central facial features of the Barbie dolls? and holding that Mattel could not monopolize the idea of a doll with ?upturned nose, bow lips, and wide eyes,? but the law protected its specific rendition thereof). And where, as here, the secondary user has used the photograph itself, rather than, for example, a similar photograph, the photograph?s specific depiction of its subject cannot be neatly reduced to discrete qualities such as contrast, shading, and depth of field that can be stripped away, taking the image?s entitlement to copyright protection along with it.

With that in mind, we readily conclude that the Prince Series borrows significantly from the Goldsmith Photograph, both quantitatively and qualitatively. While Warhol did indeed crop and flatten the Goldsmith Photograph, the end product is not merely a screenprint identifiably based on a photograph of Prince. Rather it is a screenprint readily identifiable as deriving from a specific photograph of Prince, the Goldsmith Photograph. A comparison of the images in the Prince Series makes plain that Warhol did not use the Goldsmith Photograph simply as a reference or aide-m?moire in order to accurately document the physical features of its subject. Instead, the Warhol images are instantly recognizable as depictions or images of the Goldsmith Photograph itself. [p. 38-41]

The court is cynical about why Warhol used this photograph, musing that his choice to use this one must have been to exploit a particular artistic value inherent to it. (“[W]e have little doubt that the Prince Series would be quite different had Warhol used [another picture] instead of the Goldsmith Photograph to create it.” [p. 41].) At the same time, it acknowledged that the original photograph was the only one available to him. [p. 42]. The knot-tying as the court both faulted him for using the photograph and also at the same time changing it.

For example, the fact that Prince?s mustache appears to be lighter on the right side of his face than the left is barely noticeable in the grayscale Goldsmith Photograph but is quite pronounced in the black-and-white Prince Series screenprints. Moreover, this feature of the Goldsmith Photograph is, again, not common to all other photographs of Prince even from that brief session. The similarity is not simply an artefact of what Prince?s facial hair was like on that date, but of the particular effects of light and angle at which Goldsmith captured that aspect of his appearance. [footnote 8]

The absurdity of this decision points to the real issue with it: as with the Dr. Seuss one, it conflates the copyright holder’s right to control the making of derivative works with the public’s fair use right to transform existing works, for which permission from the copyright holder should not be needed. As these courts have set forth, the latter right has now been all but subsumed by the former. Which is a huge problem, because the whole point of fair use is that of course you should be able to use a previous work in making your new one. But with these decisions it effectively puts previous works still under copyright off-limits by construing potentially any subsequent use as a derivative use the copyright holder has the power to control.

The court’s reasoning on the fourth factor drives home this view.

In assessing market harm, we ask not whether the second work would damage the market for the first (by, for example, devaluing it through parody or criticism), but whether it usurps the market for the first by offering a competing substitute. See, e.g., Bill Graham Archives, 448 F.3d at 614. This analysis embraces both the primary market for the work and any derivative markets that exist or that its author might reasonably license others to develop, regardless of whether the particular author claiming infringement has elected to develop such markets. [p. 44]

It did not matter to the court that Goldsmith had not tried to further license the original photograph in the intervening years; the court was worried that she potentially could, and that somehow this Warhol work ? different though it is from her original photo ? would somehow “usurp” her licensing market.

While Goldsmith does not contend that she has sought to license the Goldsmith Photograph itself, the question under this factor is not solely whether the secondary work harms an existing market for the specific work alleged to have been infringed. Cf. Castle Rock, 150 F.3d at 145-46 (?Although Castle Rock has evidenced little if any interest in exploiting this market for derivative works . . . the copyright law must respect that creative and economic choice.?). Rather, we must also consider whether ?unrestricted and widespread conduct of the sort engaged in by [AWF] would result in a substantially adverse impact on the potential market? for the Goldsmith Photograph. Campbell, 510 U.S. at 590 (internal quotation marks omitted) (alterations adopted)); see also Fox News Network, LLC v. TVEyes, Inc., 883 F.3d 169, 179 (2d Cir. 2018). [p. 45-46]

And the court put the burden on the transformative user to prove that it would not impact her market for licensing her works, [p. 47], while at the same time discounting all such evidence AWF provided that there was no conflict present here. Since both AWF and Goldsmith had sought to license their depictions, including for further derivative works, the court thought that was enough of a conflict.

In any case, whatever the scope of Goldsmith?s initial burden, she satisfied it here. Setting aside AWF?s licensing of Prince Series works for use in museum exhibits and publications about Warhol, which is not particularly relevant for the reasons set out in our discussion of the primary market for the works, there is no material dispute that both Goldsmith and AWF have sought to license (and indeed have successfully licensed) their respective depictions of Prince to popular print magazines to accompany articles about him. As Goldsmith succinctly states: ?both [works] are illustrations of the same famous musician with the same overlapping customer base.? Appellants? Br. at 50. Contrary to AWF?s assertions, that is more than enough. See Cariou, 714 F.3d at 709 (?[A]n accused infringer has usurped the market for copyrighted works . . . where the infringer?s target audience and the nature of the infringing content is the same as the original.?). And, since Goldsmith has identified a relevant market, AWF?s failure to put forth any evidence that the availability of the Prince Series works poses no threat to Goldsmith?s actual or potential revenue in that market tilts the scales toward Goldsmith. [p. 47-48]

And not only were both in the licensing business, but they also licensed for derivatives.

Finally, the district court entirely overlooked the potential harm to Goldsmith?s derivative market, which is likewise substantial. Most directly, AWF?s licensing of the Prince Series works to Cond? Nast without crediting or paying Goldsmith deprived her of royalty payments to which she would have otherwise been entitled. Although we do not always consider lost royalties from the challenged use itself under the fourth factor (as any fair use necessarily involves the secondary user using the primary work without paying for the right to do so), we do consider them where the secondary use occurs within a traditional or reasonable market for the primary work. See Fox News, 883 F.3d at 180; On Davis v. Gap, Inc., 246 F.3d 152, 176 (2d Cir. 2001). And here, that market is established both by Goldsmith?s uncontroverted expert testimony that photographers generally license others to create stylized derivatives of their work in the vein of the Prince Series, see J. App?x 584-99, and by the genesis of the Prince Series: a licensing agreement between LGL and Vanity Fair to use the Goldsmith Photograph as an artist reference. [p. 48-49]

And that’s a problem, thought the court in horror, as it echoed the Ninth Circuit, because what if every fair user could make these sorts of transformative fair uses for free?

Further, we also must consider the impact on this market if the sort of copying in which Warhol engaged were to become a widespread practice. That harm is also self-evident. There currently exists a market to license photographs of musicians, such as the Goldsmith Photograph, to serve as the basis of a stylized derivative image; permitting this use would effectively destroy that broader market, as, if artists ?could use such images for free, there would be little or no reason to pay for [them].? Barcroft Media, Ltd. v. Coed Media Grp., LLC, 297 F. Supp. 3d 339, 355 (S.D.N.Y. 2017); see also Seuss, 983 F.3d at 461 (?[T]he unrestricted and widespread conduct of the sort ComicMix is engaged in could result in anyone being able to produce? their own similar derivative works based on Oh, the Places You?ll Go!). This, in turn, risks disincentivizing artists from producing new work by decreasing its value ? the precise evil against which copyright law is designed to guard. [p. 49-50]

But as the Supreme Court just reminded us, the real thing to guard against is interfering with the purpose of copyright, to make sure it drives further progress. The reasoning these courts keep employing overlooks that fundamental animating purpose behind copyright law and instead treats it as some sort of expansive power to preclude that original creators get, even when there’s little reason to award them this incredibly generous benefit.

Look at the facts of this case: the original photograph was taken nearly 40 years ago of a person who’s now been dead for nearly five. The Warhol prints were made nearly 35 years ago, by someone who himself has been dead for more than thirty years, and thus was unable to testify about his artistic choices to defend his work ? which now other people uninvolved with making those choices seek to exploit the copyrights of. Meanwhile, the original photographer had no idea that these works had existed all this time. But because copyrights last for so long, we’re litigating this now.

As suggested at the outset, it appears that what may have motivated the court to tie fair use doctrine into such a pretzel in rendering this decision is that the original creator is still around, and it intuitively seems consistent with modern copyright to ensure that an original creator can get the benefit of their creativity. But it could just as easily have been her successors or assignees bringing the litigation, not just 30-40 years later than any alleged infringement but even more decades into the future because copyright lasts that long, regardless of whether it is needed to incentivize further creativity. There is nothing about this decision that limits it to just her. Yet every time decisions like this are issued, expanding the power of a copyright holder, it only threatens to chill that very creativity copyright is supposed to encourage.

And less by clear rule and more by minefield. As case in point, while one panel of the Second Circuit generated this unfortunate decision shrinking fair use, another panel shortly thereafter upheld it in another case also involving a photograph. In Marano v. Metropolitan Museum of Art, the Met was found not to be liable for using a picture that cropped an existing photo to focus on Eddie Van Halen’s guitar, give that the original photo’s composition had focused on Eddie Van Halen himself.

We begin with the first factor?often framed as whether the use is ?transformative??which constitutes the ?heart of the fair use inquiry.? Blanch v. Koons, 467 F.3d 244, 251 (2d Cir. 2006) (quoting Davis v. The Gap, Inc., 246 F.3d 152, 174 (2d Cir. 2001)). The Met?s exhibition transformed the Photo by foregrounding the instrument rather than the performer. Whereas Marano?s stated purpose in creating the Photo was to show ?what Van Halen looks like in performance,? App?x at 29, the Met exhibition highlights the unique design of the Frankenstein guitar and its significance in the development of rock n? roll instruments. Further, the Photo appears alongside other photographs showing the physical composition of the guitar, which hare collectively accompanied by text discussing th e guitar?s genesis, specifications, and impact on rock n? roll music, not Van Halen?s biography or discography. This context ?adds something new, with a further purpose or different character, altering the [Photo] with new expression, meaning, or message.? Campbell, 510 U.S. at 579.

More critically, this time the court did not express the same hostility towards “transformative markets” that the Warhol decision did.

This transformative use of the Photo is consistent with the remaining factors under Section 107 tipping in favor of fair use. While the Photo is a ?creative work of art,? that determination is of ?limited usefulness? given that the Met is using the Photo ?for a transformative purpose.? Bill Graham, 448 F.3d at 612. Similarly, the Met?s ?copying the entirety of [the Photo] [was] . . . necessary to make a fair use of the image? as one of many ?historical artifacts? in the exhibition. Id. at 613. Likewise, a ?transformative market? does not qualify as a ?traditional, reasonable, or likely to be developed market,?id. at 614 (quoting Am. Geophysical Union v. Texaco Inc., 60 F.3d 913, 930 (2d Cir. 1994)), and therefore Marano cannot ?prevent others from entering fair use markets merely ?by developing or licensing a market for . . . transformative uses of [his] own creative work,?? id. at 615 (quoting Castle Rock Ent., Inc. v. Carol Pub. Grp., Inc., 150 F.3d 132, 146 n.11 (2d Cir. 1998)). There is no indication in the record that the Met?s use of the Photo on a web page describing the Frankenstein guitar could, in any way, impair any other market for commercial use of the Photo, or diminish its value. On balance, these factors indicate that the Met?s display of the Photo qualifies for the fair use exception under Section 107.

There are certainly some differences between these decisions. For instance, the Met is a museum, which helps weigh in favor of fair use but, notably, is not inherently dispositive. Also, as some have noted, recent decisions by the Second Circuit upholding fair use have tended to not be precedential, while decisions, such as the Warhol one, limiting the doctrine have tended to be. But on the whole there is not much daylight between their analytical attack, only their ultimate conclusions. Which itself strongly suggests that one of the decisions was wrong. For all the aforementioned reasons, and as buttressed by the Google v. Oracle decision, it is likely to be the Warhol one.

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Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

Look at the facts of this case: the original photograph was taken nearly 40 years ago of a person who’s now been dead for nearly five. The Warhol prints were made nearly 35 years ago, by someone who himself has been dead for more than thirty years, and thus was unable to testify about his artistic choices to defend his work – which now other people uninvolved with making those choices seek to exploit the copyrights of. Meanwhile, the original photographer had no idea that these works had existed all this time. But because copyrights last for so long, we’re litigating this now.

This only entrenches my belief that copyright terms should last 20 years with no renewal period. How does any of this madness do anything but prevent new culture from being made on top of the old?

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Anonymous Coward says:

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How does any of this madness do anything but prevent new culture from being made on top of the old?

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner folks! That’s the entire point of modern copyright law: Every creation must be pre-approved by the gatekeepers.

The whole business with IP is control. It has nothing to do with "promoting progress" of anything except accelerating the profits of rightsholders. Why else would a dead man’s copyright be so heavily protected? Profit. Why would works be constantly scrutinized against existing material? Profit. Why would artists be afraid to name their inspirations? Profit. Why would works be allowed to be lost to the sands of time? Profit. Why could copyright prohibit repairs of farm equipment? Profit. Why could copyright prohibit controlling your own computer / smartphone? Profit. The list goes on….

Profit is all that matters to these clowns. They have systematically corrupted copyright to serve only their profit margins. Society be damned. Of course said society doesn’t care about that, but then whine and cry about profit losses when the other nations of the world disregard their ridiculous restrictions and beat them to market with new products and services. Leaving the local companies with an expensive alternative with no hopes of improvement or cost-reduction. Because that would require pre-approval from the rightsholders to even begin thinking about in their country. Whereas in other countries permission isn’t as much of a requirement. But oh well, it’s not like said local country needs to create a bunch of permanent jobs, get a large segment of it’s population gainfully employed, or to replace a over half of it’s small businesses lost to a pandemic….

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Phoenix84 (profile) says:

Article talks about some images, but doesn’t show them in proper context.
It has a nice "clickbait-y" title, but then you need a legal degree to understand the contents.
The article is also opinionated, and hard to follow. I got through about the first page.

I’ve noticed this trend with TechDirt articles lately.

What I do know, is that copyrights last far too long, however their purpose is all too clear, it’s so corporations can keep control forever.

Sadly, it removes a lot from our culture for generations.

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PaulT (profile) says:

Re: Re:

"The article is also opinionated, and hard to follow. I got through about the first page"

You found an opinion blog to be opinionated, despite not being able to understand it as well as the rest of us, and you somehow split the single web page into multiple pages?

I don’t think the article is the problem here…

Scary Devil Monastery (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:

Well, he does have a point. People who have been following news about copyright have developed a skillset and preconception you don’t normally expect among even the brighter part of the populace.

That’s why an overly dry OP with too much densely written legalese can rightly be considered as being aimed exclusively at the people able to follow it from the get-go. This OP begs a TL;DR summary to begin with, with the salient sourcing referenced in good order. As it stands this just preaches to the choir – which is more or less already fully on board with the opinions given…

nerdrage (profile) says:

dead copyright walking

Theodore Geisel has been dead for 30 years and nobody else has the right to keep profiting from his works. If Dr. Seuss’ works were in the public domain, then the "racist content" problem would be solved. People could publish their own versions, with the racism removed. Other people could be smartasses and make them even more racist.

Whatever, it doesn’t matter, people will do what they do. The problem is copyright law squelches all of this and in doing so definitely squelches free speech.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: dead copyright walking

It’s not just the Dr. Seuss works.
It’s original Mickey Mouse cartoons from 1928.
Created by a person who has been dead since 1966.
And the US bullying other countries to change their copyright laws.
So that this stuff never ends up in the public domain.

This is the point where I’m glad that Canada has closed its borders to all non-essential traffic from the US, and I hope that closure becomes permanent. Keep this garbage on your own side of the line.

Samuel Abram (profile) says:

Re: Re: dead copyright walking

This is the point where I’m glad that Canada has closed its borders to all non-essential traffic from the US, and I hope that closure becomes permanent. Keep this garbage on your own side of the line.

Too bad for you, because copyright is actually expiring down here, and Canada is legally required to have their own Sonny Bono act that would retroactively extend copyright by 20 years. Michael Geist breaks it down here.

BTW, it’s totally fair to blame the US on this. I would too if I were in your shoes.

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PaulT (profile) says:

Re: dead copyright walking

"If Dr. Seuss’ works were in the public domain, then the "racist content" problem would be solved"

Not really. The whining and outrage were about the original publisher deciding not to publish them. The cult then responded by… buying a bunch of books that weren’t being discontinued. They got the "Seuss cancelled" part, but didn’t understand the "we’re not printing any more of the books that didn’t sell" part. The outrage didn’t get as far as telling them that Green Eggs And Ham would still be on sale.

The same would happen if the books were public domain, since their outrage was not based on logic.

Scary Devil Monastery (profile) says:

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Unlikely. I honestly don’t see a constitutional amendment in violation, which is the only thing SCOTUS is really supposed to rule on.

I mean, law being law you can always stretch…but you’d probably need a great deal of political pressure before SCOTUS decided to give a time slot to even hear a case like this, and I can’t see that happening.

nasch (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:

I honestly don’t see a constitutional amendment in violation, which is the only thing SCOTUS is really supposed to rule on.

"The Court has appellate jurisdiction (the Court can hear the case on appeal) on almost any other case that involves a point of constitutional and/or federal law."


There are tons of Supreme Court cases involving copyright.


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