Rep. Dennis Kucinich: Abolish The NSA And Give Snowden A Parade

from the taking-a-stand dept

There was a showing of the new documentary, Terms and Conditions May Apply late last week in Washington DC, and Rep. Dennis Kucinich stopped by and made some very pointed remarks while discussing the NSA’s surveillance activities. The (well-timed) documentary, of course, looks at how companies and the government use and abuse everyone’s digital data. Kucinich’s remarks are well worth listening to, as he suggests that Congress should abolish the NSA, while also saying that Ed Snowden deserves a ticker-tape parade.

The key quotes come in response to the film’s director, Cullen Hoback, asking what would it take for Congress to hold James Clapper accountable for lying to Congress:

Well, you know it’s illegal to lie to Congress, but everyone lies to Congress. As soon as they raise their right hand, watch out! Clapper should be held responsible, but he won’t be, because that’s the condition we’re in right now. In a just world, Snowden, we’d be having ticker tape parades for him. But that’s not what’s going to happen.

[….] We have the CIA, the FBI, a dozen other intelligence infrastructures. Frankly — and I’m saying this with a lifetime’s experience in government here — it’s time to punch the NSA’s ticket here. They’ve ruined the brand. They’ve destroyed the idea of privacy. We need some kind of symbolic and profound approach here, that says, ‘look, you’ve violated something that’s very dear to the American people — you don’t get to do that.’ We talk about the death penalty for individuals, which I oppose, but I think there needs to be for government agencies that so broadly betray the public interest, there needs to be a measure of responsibility. And if they go beyond the pale, which the NSA has, they just ought to be abolished. We don’t need the spying.

There have been a lot of strong words about all of this coming from some members of Congress, but these may be the strongest yet.

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Aaron Wolf (profile) says:

Re: Are you just some completely dogmatic anarcho-capitalist??

The idea that someone with true integrity like Kucinich could be completely dismissed indicates merely that you have not learned to be open-minded. Given you agree on this, maybe you could learn that with effort to see other’s views, you’ll find that some of them make sense. You shouldn’t agree with him or anyone automatically on everything either, but if you’ve been that judgmental about Kucinich or his views? Well, I hope you take this as a lesson to check yourself and listen more and don’t make up your mind in advance.

Ninja (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:

And unfortunately you can’t scrap the Government and start over without some serious problems. The problem are not the laws but those making them eh? So even if you fix something here it’ll be inevitably broken years ahead by bad lawmakers. In fact this is part of the issues. There are plenty of laboratories around the world (and by laboratories I mean movements like the Occupy ones) that are trying to come with new models to replace the current broken, decaying system. In common all of them have the collectivity as a goal instead of the current mindless competition and egocentric attitudes.

What does the current generation want? They want a place to live, health, education, justice, basic transportation and food. They are not interested in luxury cars or lavish mansions. They are not about possessions (“to have”) but rather about life experiences (“to be”). This is but a rough interpretation but I expect much from the current generation (20 to 40ish) and there has been a lot of advances despite the grim outlook.

Michael (profile) says:

Re: Yes, IS going to be another day of all-NSA Masnicking.

why they aren’t fighting for our interests the same way

Because they have a little more trouble getting out of the country than simply purchasing an airline ticket.

I think Snowden did the right thing, but I am sure it would have been a much more difficult decision if he had to stay in the country and be executed for it.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2 Um...

If you ignore the first sentence I agree with you. Adding an ex- to the title seems important to me too. However the fact that he’s an ex-rperesentative does not make him less important or relevant. His actions will do that part, not your own opinion.

It does in that he has no more voice or vote than anyone on the street. He can’t hold a hearing, submit a bill, vote on a measure, etc.

TheLastCzarnian (profile) says:

The Pendulum swings

I’ve been thinking about this, and it truly puzzles me when people say the NSA has “smart people.” I would think that a smart person would not stretch the law as the NSA has done, because when it snaps back, their reach will be radically pruned.
My definition of intelligence is to be able to predict the outcome of actions and situations with accuracy. I guess my definition differs from most peoples.

Josh in CharlotteNC (profile) says:

Re: The Pendulum swings

You mistake having smart people with the smart people being in charge (or being able to shape policy).

The NSA does have many incredibly intelligent people. Their crypto teams are some of the best in the world, both in terms of breaking crypto systems, and in coming up with crypto systems that are very difficult to break. They probably have many very smart analysts just like Snowden, who are genuinely trying to play by the rules as best they can.

But those people are the worker bees. They take their orders and direction from the bosses.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

From Shirley MacLaine’s book:

Kucinich, she writes on page143-144 of the book, “had a close sighting over my home in Graham, Washington, when I lived there. Dennis found his encounter extremely moving. The smell of roses drew him out to my balcony where, when he looked up, he saw a gigantic triangular craft, silent, and observing him. It hovered, soundless, for ten minutes or so, and sped away with a speed he couldn’t comprehend. He said he felt a connection in his heart and heard directions in his mind.”

hippity hoppty says:

Secret societies have infiltrated all branches of government, federal,state, local. even police forces have been stacked with members of the secret societies. All members of these secret societies need to be routed out, exposed. Some secret societies worship the devil as crazy as that sounds it happens to be true. So why would you be surprised with all the crimes, coverups that are taking place. The secret societies are the breeding ground and source of all the corruption.

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