The List Of Government Agencies That Can Get Your Data Under CISPA

from the does-the-council-of-economic-advisors-need-your-emails? dept

One of the key complaints about CISPA is the fact that it does absolutely nothing to make sure any data of yours that is shared with the government by third parties is sent narrowly to folks working to protect us from cybersecurity threats. Instead, the information can be shared with any agency of the government, so long as they can claim, vaguely, that it’s being used for “cybersecurity purposes.” But, as the EFF points out, without any limitations on who in the government can see your data, every government agency can see your data. They’ve even put together a helpful “list.”

One question we sometimes get is: Under CISPA, which government agencies can receive this data? For example, could the FBI, NSA, or Immigration and Customs Enforcement receive data if CISPA were to pass?

The answer is yes. Any government agency could receive data from companies if this were to pass, meaning identifiable data could be flowing to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, the National Security Agency, or even the Food and Drug Administration.

We’ve reposted the list below as well, just so you can get an idea of which government agencies could get access to your data on CISPA (and which ones thought that, perhaps, that’s not such a good idea).

Under CISPA, which government agencies can get your data? 

Executive Office of the President

Agencies within the Executive Office of the President:

  Council of Economic Advisers
  Council on Environmental Quality
  Domestic Policy Council
  National Economic Council
  National Security Council
  Office of Administration
  Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships
  Office of Management and Budget
  Office of National AIDS Policy
  Office of National Drug Control Policy
  Office of Intergovernmental Affairs and Public Engagement
  Office of Science and Technology Policy
  Office of the President
    Office of the First Lady
      Office of the First Children
  Office of the Vice President
    Office of the Second Lady
      Office of the Second Children
  President's Economic Recovery Advisory Board
  President's Intelligence Oversight Board
  President's Intelligence Advisory Board
  United States Trade Representative
  White House Office
  White House Military Office

United States Department of Agriculture

Agencies within the Department of Agriculture:

  Agricultural Marketing Service
  Agricultural Research Service
  Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service
  Center for Nutrition Policy and Promotion
  Economic Research Service
  Farm Service Agency
    Commodity Credit Corporation
  Food and Nutrition Service
  Food Safety and Inspection Service
  Foreign Agricultural Service
  Forest Service
  Grain Inspection, Packers and Stockyards Administration
  Marketing and Regulatory Programs
  National Agricultural Statistics Service
  National Institute of Food and Agriculture
  Natural Resources Conservation Service
  Risk Management Agency
    Federal Crop Insurance Corporation
  Rural Business and Cooperative Programs
  Office of Rural Development
  Research, Education and Economics
  Rural Housing Service
  Rural Utilities Service

United States Department of Commerce

Agencies within the Department of Commerce:

  Census Bureau
  Bureau of Economic Analysis
  Bureau of Industry and Security
  Economic Development Administration
  Economics and Statistics Administration
  Export Enforcement
  Import Administration
  International Trade Administration
    Office of Travel and Tourism Industries
    Invest in America
  Manufacturing and Services
  Marine and Aviation Operations
  Market Access and Compliance
  Minority Business Development Agency
  National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
    NOAA Commissioned Corps
    National Environmental Satellite, Data, and Information Service
    National Marine Fisheries Service
    National Oceanic Service
    National Weather Service
  National Telecommunications and Information Administration
  Patent and Trademark Office
  National Institute of Standards and Technology
    National Technical Information Service
  Trade Promotion and the U.S. And Foreign Commercial Service

United States Department of Defense

Agencies within the Department of Defense:

  Department of the Army
    United States Army
    Army Intelligence and Security Command
    Army Corps of Engineers
  Department of the Navy
    United States Navy
      Office of Naval Intelligence
      U.S. Naval Academy
    Marine Corps
      Marine Corps Intelligence Activity
  Department of the Air Force
    United States Air Force
      Civil Air Patrol
    Air Force Intelligence, Surveillance and Reconnaissance Agency
  Joint Chiefs of Staff
    J-2 Intelligence
  National Guard Bureau
    Natural Disaster and Disaster Help Program
    J-2 Intelligence Directorate
    Air National Guard
    Army National Guard
    America Citizen Militia
      America Citizen Militia Intelligence
  Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency
  Defense Commissary Agency
  Defense Contract Audit Agency
  Defense Contract Management Agency
  Defense Finance and Accounting Service
  Defense Information Systems Agency
  Defense Intelligence Agency
  Defense Logistics Agency
  Defense Security Cooperation Agency
  Defense Security Service
  Defense Technical Information Center
  Defense Threat Reduction Agency
  Missile Defense Agency
  National Security Agency
    Central Security Service
  National Reconnaissance Office
  National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency
  Naval Criminal Investigative Service
  Pentagon Force Protection Agency
  United States Pentagon Police
  American Forces Information Service
  Defense Prisoner of War/Missing Personnel Office
  Department of Defense Education Activity
  Department of Defense Dependents Schools
  Defense Human Resources Activity
  Office of Economic Adjustment
  TRICARE Management Activity
  Washington Headquarters Services
  West Point Military Academy

United States Department of Education

Agencies within the Department of Education:

  Federal Student Aid
  Institute of Education Sciences
    National Center for Education Statistics
    National Center for Education Evaluation and Regional Assistance
      Education Resources Information Center
    National Center for Education Research
    National Center for Special Education Research
  National Assessment Governing Board
    National Assessment of Educational Progress
  Office for Civil Rights
  Office of Elementary and Secondary Education
    Office of Safe and Healthy Students
  Office of Postsecondary Education
  Office of Special Education and Rehabilitative Services
    National Institute on Disability and Rehabilitation Research
    Office of Special Education Programs
    Rehabilitation Services Administration
    Special institutions
      American Printing House for the Blind
      National Technical Institute for the Deaf
      Gallaudet University
  Office of Vocational and Adult Education

United States Department of Energy

List of agencies within the Department of Energy:

  Energy Information Administration
  Federal Energy Regulatory Commission
  National Laboratories & Technology Centers
    University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
  National Nuclear Security Administration
  Power Marketing Administrations:
    Bonneville Power Administration
    Southeastern Power Administration
    Southwestern Power Administration
    Western Area Power Administration

United States Department of Health and Human Services

Agencies within the Department of Health and Human Services:

  Administration on Aging
  Administration for Children and Families
    Administration for Children, Youth and Families
  Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality
  Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
    National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health
    Epidemic Intelligence Service
      National Center for Health Statistics
  Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services
  Food and Drug Administration
    Reagan-Udall Foundation
  Health Resources and Services Administration
  Patient Affordable Healthcare Care Act Program {to be implemented fully in 2014}
    Independent Payment Advisory Board
  Indian Health Service
  National Institutes of Health
  National Health Intelligence Service
  Public Health Service
    Federal Occupational Health
    Office of the Surgeon General
    United States Public Health Service Commissioned Corps
  Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration

United States Department of Homeland Security


  Federal Emergency Management Agency
    FEMA Corps
    U.S. Fire Administration
    National Flood Insurance Program
  Federal Law Enforcement Training Center
  Transportation Security Administration
  United States Citizenship and Immigration Services
  United States Coast Guard (Transfers to Department of Defense during declared war or national emergency)
    Coast Guard Intelligence
    National Ice Center
    United States Ice Patrol
  United States Customs and Border Protection
    Office of Air and Marine
    Office of Border Patrol
      U.S. Border Patrol
        Border Patrol Intelligence
    Office of Field Operations
  United States Immigration and Customs Enforcement
  United States Secret Service
    Secret Service Intelligence Service


  Domestic Nuclear Detection Office
  Office of Health Affairs
    Office of Component Services
    Office of International Affairs and Global Health Security
    Office of Medical Readiness
    Office of Weapons of Mass Destruction and Biodefense
  Office of Intelligence and Analysis
  Office of Operations Coordination
  Office of Policy
    Homeland Security Advisory Council
    Office of International Affairs
    Office of Immigration Statistics
    Office of Policy Development
    Office for State and Local Law Enforcement
    Office of Strategic Plans
    Private Sector Office


  Directorate for Management

National Protection and Programs

  National Protection and Programs Directorate
    Federal Protective Service
    Office of Cybersecurity and Communications
      National Communications System
      National Cyber Security Division
        United States Computer Emergency Readiness Team
      Office of Emergency Communications
    Office of Infrastructure Protection
    Office of Risk Management and Analysis
    United States Visitor and Immigrant Status Indicator Technology (US-VISIT)

Science and Technology

  Science and Technology Directorate
    Environmental Measurements Laboratory


  Innovation/Homeland Security Advanced Research Projects Agency
  Office of Research
    Office of National Laboratories
    Office of University Programs
    Program Executive Office, Counter Improvised Explosive Device
  Office of Transition
    Commercialization Office
    Long Range Broad Agency Announcement Office
    Product Transition Office
    Safety Act Office
    Technology Transfer Office


  Border and Maritime Security Division
  Chemical and Biological Division
  Command, Control and Interoperability Division
  Explosives Division
  Human Factors Division
  Infrastructure/Geophysical Division

Offices and Institutes

  Business Operations Division
    Executive Secretariat Office
    Human Capital Office
    Key Security Office
    Office of the Chief Administrative Officer
    Office of the Chief Information Officer
    Planning and Management
  Corporate Communications Division
  Interagency and First Responders Programs Division
  International Cooperative Programs Office
  Operations Analysis Division
    Homeland Security Studies and Analysis Institute
    Homeland Security Systems Engineering and Development Institute
  Strategy, Policy and Budget Division
  Special Programs Division
  Test & Evaluation and Standards Division

United States Department of Housing and Urban Development


  Federal Housing Administration
  Federal Housing Finance Agency


  Center for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships (HUD)
  Departmental Enforcement Center
  Office of Community Planning and Development
  Office of Congressional and Intergovernmental Relations
  Office of Equal Employment Opportunity
  Office of Fair Housing and Equal Opportunity
  Office of Field Policy and Management
  Office of the General Counsel
  Office of Healthy Homes and Lead Hazard Control
  Office of Hearings and Appeals
  Office of Labor Relations
  Office of Policy Development and Research
  Office of Public Affairs
  Office of Public and Indian Housing
  Office of Small and Disadvantaged Business Utilization
  Office of Sustainable Housing and Communities


  Government National Mortgage Association (Ginnie Mae)

United States Department of the Interior


  Bureau of Indian Affairs
  Bureau of Land Management
  Bureau of Reclamation
  Fish and Wildlife Service
  Bureau of Ocean Energy Management (formerly Minerals Management Service)
  Bureau of Safety and Environmental Enforcement (formerly Minerals Management Service)
  National Park Service
  Office of Insular Affairs
  Office of Surface Mining
    National Mine Map Repository
  United States Geological Survey

United States Department of Justice


  Antitrust Division
  Asset Forfeiture Program
  Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
  Civil Division
  Civil Rights Division
  Community Oriented Policing Services
  Community Relations Service
  Criminal Division
  Diversion Control Program
  Drug Enforcement Administration
  Environment and Natural Resources Division
  Executive Office for Immigration Review
  Executive Office for Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Forces
  Executive Office for United States Attorneys
  Executive Office for United States Trustees
  Federal Bureau of Investigation
  Federal Bureau of Prisons
  Foreign Claims Settlement Commission
  INTERPOL - United States National Central Bureau
  Justice Management Division
  National Crime Information Center
  National Drug Intelligence Center
  National Institute of Corrections
  National Security Division
  Office of the Associate Attorney General
  Office of the Attorney General
  Office of Attorney Recruitment and Management
  Office of the Chief Information Officer
  Office of the Deputy Attorney General
  Office of Dispute Resolution
  Office of the Federal Detention Trustee
  Office of Information Policy
  Office of Intergovernmental and Public Liaison
  Office of Intelligence and Analysis
  Office of Justice Programs
    Bureau of Justice Assistance
    Bureau of Justice Statistics
    Community Capacity Development Office
    National Criminal Justice Reference Service
    National Institute of Justice
    Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention
    Office for Victims of Crime
  Office of Legal Counsel
  Office of Legal Policy
  Office of Legislative Affairs
  Office of the Pardon Attorney
  Office of Privacy and Civil Liberties
  Office of Professional Responsibility
  Office of Public Affairs
  Office of Sex Offender Sentencing, Monitoring, Apprehending, Registering and Tracking
  Office of the Solicitor General
  Office of Special Counsel
  Office of Tribal Justice
  Office on Violence Against Women
  Professional Responsibility Advisory Office
  Tax Division
  United States Attorneys
  United States Marshals
  United States Parole Commission
  United States Trustee Program

United States Department of Labor

Agencies and Bureaus

  Bureau of International Labor Affairs
  Bureau of Labor Statistics
  Center for Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships (DOL)
  Employee Benefits Security Administration
  Employment and Training Administration
  Job Corps
  Mine Safety and Health Administration
  Occupational Safety and Health Administration
  Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation
  Veterans' Employment and Training Service
  Wage and Hour Division
  Women's Bureau


  Administrative Review Board
  Benefits Review Board
  Employees' Compensation Appeals Board


  Office of Administrative Law Judges
  Office of the Assistant Secretary for Administration and Management
  Office of the Assistant Secretary for Policy
  Office of the Chief Financial Officer
  Office of the Chief Information Officer
  Office of Congressional and Intergovernmental Affairs
  Office of Disability Employment Policy
  Office of Federal Contract Compliance Programs
  Office of Labor-Management Standards
  Office of the Solicitor
  Office of Worker's Compensation Program
  Ombudsman for the Energy Employees Occupational Illness Compensation Program

United States Department of State

Agencies and Bureaus

  National Council for the Traditional Arts

Reporting to the Secretary

  Bureau of Intelligence and Research
  Bureau of Legislative Affairs
  Office of the Legal Adviser

Reporting to the Deputy Secretary for Management and Resources

  Executive Secretariat
  Office of the Chief of Protocol
  Office for Civil Rights
  Office of the Coordinator for Counterterrorism
  Office of the United States Global AIDS Coordinator
  Office of Global Criminal Justice
  Policy Planning Staff

Reporting to the Under Secretary for Arms Control and International Security

  Bureau of International Security and Nonproliferation
  Bureau of Political-Military Affairs
  Bureau of Arms Control, Verification and Compliance

Reporting to the Under Secretary for Democracy and Global Affairs

  Bureau of Democracy, Human Rights, and Labor
  Bureau of Oceans and International Environmental and Scientific Affairs
  Bureau of Population, Refugees, and Migration
  Office to Monitor and Combat Trafficking in Persons

Reporting to the Under Secretary for Economic, Energy and Agricultural Affairs

  Bureau of Economic, Energy and Business Affairs

Reporting to the Under Secretary for Management

  Bureau of Administration
  Bureau of Consular Affairs
    Office of Overseas Citizens Services
  Bureau of Diplomatic Security (DS)
    Diplomatic Security Service (DSS)
    Office of Foreign Missions (OFM)
    Overseas Security Advisory Council (OSAC)
  Bureau of Human Resources
    Family Liaison Office
  Bureau of Information Resource Management
  Bureau of Overseas Buildings Operations
  Bureau of Resource Management
  Foreign Service Institute
  Office of Management Policy, Rightsizing and Innovation

Reporting to the Under Secretary for Political Affairs

  Bureau of African Affairs
  Bureau of East Asian and Pacific Affairs
  Bureau of European and Eurasian Affairs
  Bureau for International Narcotics and Law Enforcement Affairs
  Bureau of International Organization Affairs
  Bureau of Near Eastern Affairs
  Bureau of South and Central Asian Affairs
  Bureau of Western Hemisphere Affairs

Reporting to the Under Secretary for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs

  Bureau of Educational and Cultural Affairs
  Bureau of International Information Programs
  Bureau of Public Affairs
    Office of the Historian
  Office of Policy, Planning and Resources for Public Diplomacy and Public Affairs

Permanent Diplomatic Missions

  United States Mission to the African Union
  United States Mission to ASEAN
  United States mission to the Arab League
  United States mission to the Council of Europe (and to all other European Agencies)
  United States Mission to International Organizations in Vienna
  United States Mission to the European Union
  United States Mission to the International Civil Aviation Organization
  United States Mission to the North Atlantic Treaty Organization
  United States Mission to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development
  United States Mission to the Organization of American States
  United States Mission to the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe
  United States Mission to the United Nations
  United States Mission to the UN Agencies in Rome
  United States Mission to the United Nations Office and Other International Organizations in Geneva
  United States Observer Mission to the United Nations Educational, Scientific, and Cultural Organization
  United States Permanent Mission to the United Nations Environment Program and the United Nations Human Settlements Programme

United States Department of Transportation


  Bureau of Transportation Statistics
  Federal Aviation Administration
    Air Traffic Organization
  Federal Highway Administration
  Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration
  Federal Railroad Administration
  Federal Transit Administration
  Maritime Administration
  National Highway Traffic Safety Administration
  Office of Intelligence, Security and Emergency Response
  Pipeline and Hazardous Materials Safety Administration
  Research and Innovative Technology Administration
  Saint Lawrence Seaway Development Corporation
  Surface Transportation Board

United States Department of the Treasury

Agencies and Bureaus

  Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau
  Bureau of Engraving and Printing
  Bureau of the Public Debt
  Community Development Financial Institutions Fund
  Federal Consulting Group
  Financial Crimes Enforcement Network
  Financial Management Service
  Internal Revenue Service
  Office of the Comptroller of the Currency
    Office of Thrift Supervision
  Office of Financial Stability
  United States Mint


  Office of Domestic Finance
  Office of Economic Policy
  Office of International Affairs
  Office of Tax Policy
  Office of Terrorism and Financial Intelligence
  Treasurer of the United States

United States Department of Veterans Affairs


  National Cemetery Administration
  Veterans Benefits Administration
  Veterans Health Administration

Independent Agencies and Government Corporations

  Administrative Conference of the United States
  Advisory Council on Historic Preservation
  African Development Foundation
  Amtrak (National Railroad Passenger Corporation)
  Armed Forces Retirement Home
  Central Intelligence Agency
  Commission on Civil Rights
  Commodity Futures Trading Commission
  Consumer Product Safety Commission
  Corporation for National and Community Service
  Corporation for Public Broadcasting
  Court Services and Offender Supervision Agency
  Defense Nuclear Facilities Safety Board
  Election Assistance Commission
  Environmental Protection Agency
  Equal Employment Opportunity Commission
  Export-Import Bank of the United States
  Farm Credit Administration
  Federal Communications Commission
  Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation
  Federal Election Commission
  Federal Housing Finance Board
  Federal Labor Relations Authority
  Federal Maritime Commission
  Federal Mediation and Conciliation Service
  Federal Mine Safety and Health Review Commission
  Federal Reserve System
    United States Consumer Financial Protection Bureau
  Federal Retirement Thrift Investment Board
  Federal Trade Commission
  General Services Administration
  Helen Keller National Center
  Institute of Museum and Library Services
  Inter-American Foundation
  International Broadcasting Bureau
  Merit Systems Protection Board
  Military Postal Service Agency
  National Aeronautics and Space Administration
  National Archives and Records Administration
    Office of the Federal Register
  National Capital Planning Commission
  National Constitution Center
  National Council on Disability
  National Credit Union Administration
    Central Liquidity Facility
  National Endowment for the Arts
  National Endowment for the Humanities
  National Labor Relations Board
  National Mediation Board
  National Science Foundation
    United States Antarctic Program
  National Transportation Safety Board
  Nuclear Regulatory Commission
  Office of the Federal Coordinator, Alaska Natural Gas Transportation Projects
  Occupational Safety and Health Review Commission
  Office of Compliance
  Office of Government Ethics
  Office of Personnel Management
    Federal Executive Institute
    Combined Federal Campaign
  Office of Special Counsel
  Office of the National Counterintelligence Executive
  Office of the Director of National Intelligence
    Intelligence Advanced Research Projects Activity
  Overseas Private Investment Corporation
  Panama Canal Commission
  Peace Corps
  Postal Regulatory Commission
  Railroad Retirement Board
  Securities and Exchange Commission
  Securities Investor Protection Corporation
  Selective Service System
  Small Business Administration
  Social Security Administration
  Tennessee Valley Authority
  U.S. Trade and Development Agency
  United States Agency for International Development
  United States International Trade Commission
  United States Postal Service

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btrussell (profile) says:

Re: Re: I have an idea how to fix this

/Food for thought

Health Hazard

With “gun control” in the news so much these days, this one’s starting to go around again. It should certainly make you think….

The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000. Yes, that is 80 million. The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is 1,500. The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.0000188.

The number of physicians in the U.S. is approximately 700,000. The number of accidental deaths caused by Physicians per year are approximately 120,000. The number of accidental deaths per physician is 0.1714286.

Statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous than gun owners. Remember, “Guns don’t kill people, doctors do.”


Please alert your friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors before this gets completely out of hand. Out of concern for the public at large, I have withheld the statistics on lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention.

ltlw0lf (profile) says:

Re: I have an idea how to fix this

CISPA might be OK if those agencies get my data only if all of them ask for it at the same time (and each agency only has a fixed quota of requests per month, so they actually have to convince each other it’s worthwhile)

As long as I can treat them as FOIA Requests and unilaterally deny them for security purposes, or even better, return 60 pages with every line blacked out, I am cool with that.

out_of_the_blue says:

3rd parties = Google, Facebook, Twitter, Techdirt...

“shared with the government by third parties”

Yet again, Mike gins up worry solely about the gov’t while neglecting to worry about the direct sources of this info. While it may not be necessary to list them, it’s still interesting that Mike actually promotes right here the very sources that get income selling your data to the gov’t, then shifts, and diffuses, the blame on to the “gov’t”.

It’s obvious to me that the way to fix this is to prohibit corporations from collecting or storing the data in the first place.

Jupiter Kansas (profile) says:

Re: 3rd parties = Google, Facebook, Twitter, Techdirt...

Your last sentence makes a very valid point, and people might pay more attention to it if you weren’t trying so hard to slam the owner of this website. Yes, the government should be protecting us from these companies with privacy laws, not collaborating with them.

Larry says:

Re: Re: 3rd parties = Google, Facebook, Twitter, Techdirt...

I don’t believe that there would be a benefit to consumers by doing what you advocate. Collecting and storing some types of data are a feature.

Abusing the feature (whether by law or simple practice) is the issue.

Then, you’d have to determine how far to track the issue to “fix” the problem. Your employer knows every bit of info about you including stuff that you don’t put on google/facebook etc. So does the state (DMV et al). So does your freakin’ parents. Should we wipe our parents memory when you attain majority? I suppose at that point, someone should just kill the grandparents because they may remember too much.

Are there things that these companies collect/store that they shouldn’t. Maybe. Depends on the service and what you are paying for it. Should the government be able to gather and disseminate that information under the guise of “cybersecurity” is another question altogether.

Larry says:

Re: 3rd parties = Google, Facebook, Twitter, Techdirt...

Nope. Your usual rant (as usual) is incorrect. You see, there isn’t any money in it for your listed companies to “share” this data. Quite the opposite. They have to spend resources doing it and risk pissing off their customers at the same time.

This money grab is all about how many dollars can or congressional “representatives” send on to contractors to go and gather and disseminate the info for them. That’s why the tech companies aren’t bitching you see. This is a cost reduction exercise that they don’t have to lift a finger to enact. Plus, it excludes them from any liability (real your OOTB imagined).

You rail against these “corporations” but you never have a valid money trail nor germane allocation of “blame”. I don’t dislike you because you wear a tinfoil hat, I dislike you because it’s made of cardboard and has a point on it.

Suzanne Lainson (profile) says:

Re: Re: 3rd parties = Google, Facebook, Twitter, Techdirt...

You see, there isn’t any money in it for your listed companies to “share” this data. Quite the opposite. They have to spend resources doing it and risk pissing off their customers at the same time.

You’re right. There isn’t any money in “sharing” the data but there is definitely money in “selling” the data, which they are doing all the time. All that has to happen is for the government to pay for the data like other clients of these corporations and they’ll be able to get it, too.

Suzanne Lainson (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: 3rd parties = Google, Facebook, Twitter, Techdirt...

These companies are conducting citizen surveillance and monitoring everything we do. We could phase out government altogether and the data collection and surveillance would continue. And then whatever used to be done in the name of government will be done in the name of private enterprise with the added bonus of a profit motive.

Opinion: The Internet is a surveillance state – “The Internet is a surveillance state. Whether we admit it to ourselves or not, and whether we like it or not, we’re being tracked all the time. Google tracks us, both on its pages and on other pages it has access to. Facebook does the same; it even tracks non-Facebook users. Apple tracks us on our iPhones and iPads. One reporter used a tool called Collusion to track who was tracking him; 105 companies tracked his Internet use during one 36-hour period.”

Suzanne Lainson (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: 3rd parties = Google, Facebook, Twitter, Techdirt...

Imagine this scenario. The US government gets out of the spy and crime business. But it contracts it out. It goes to Facebook, Google, and others and says, “Develop some profiles to identify potential mass murderers, terrorists, cyberfraud folks, and so on, and we’ll pay you based on your interception successes. We’ll pay you very well if you make this a safer, more secure, more trustworthy country.”

Governments already contract with private prison companies, security companies, and war-related companies. It’s very much in the realm of possibility for everything to be privatized. The monitoring goes on, but instead of government workers, the people getting their hands dirty work for private companies. And if Google and Facebook don’t want to do it directly, another company comes along, develops the profiles, and pays Google, Facebook, and others for access to specifically targeted audiences deemed a risk via big data.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2 3rd parties = Google, Facebook, Twitter, Techdirt...

Develop some profiles to identify potential mass murderers, terrorists, cyberfraud folks, and so on, and we’ll pay you based on your interception successes.

That is the most dangerous suggestion I have ever heard, and incentive for the companies to accuse people that are poor customers.

Suzanne Lainson (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3 3rd parties = Google, Facebook, Twitter, Techdirt...

It’s already been suggested that the private prison lobby is behind certain anti-immigration laws in order to increase the number of people in prison. And we can see how the NRA influences gun laws. We also see how security companies benefit from airport screening.

What I am saying is that private companies are gathering considerable data on people already. And they are selling it to customers. The government could become a customer, too.

Pointing a finger at government agencies because they are government agencies overlooks all that is being done by private companies.

Suzanne Lainson (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4 3rd parties = Google, Facebook, Twitter, Techdirt...

Here. Look at this and imagine the possibilities. Imagine that the same data that predicts what people will buy can also predict what crimes they might commit. They won’t be arrested unless they commit those crimes, but they can be more closely monitored to make sure that they don’t.

Big data, non-stop monitoring, and predictions about consumer behavior are what companies are selling today. It’s much more in-depth than what government agencies are doing.

The Future of Consumer Profiling Is Here!

Anonymous Coward says:

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Add in re-education camps Chinese style, and companies have a reason to want people found guilty on suspicion. Their would be profit for the company that made the accusation, and the one that got the labour. It would be ‘Work makes free’ with a vengeance.

Suzanne Lainson (profile) says:

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Facebook Expands Targeted Advertising Through Outside Data Sources – “In late February, Facebook announced partnerships with four companies that collect lucrative behavioral data, from store loyalty card transactions and customer e-mail lists to divorce and Web browsing records.

“They include Acxiom, which aggregates data from a variety of sources, including financial services companies, court records and federal government documents; Datalogix, which claims to have a database on the spending habits of more than 100 million Americans in categories like fine jewelry, cough medicine and college tuition; and Epsilon, which also collects transaction data from retailers.”

Suzanne Lainson (profile) says:

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Location Data Can Uniquely Identify Cellphone Users | Popular Science: “Just a few data points from a location-tracking cellphone are enough to identify most people, a new study found. … The study fits in with growing evidence that fairly publicly available data?cellphone location data is open to many location-tracking apps, for example?is not as anonymous as you might think.”

Ninja (profile) says:

Jesus Christ! Why the fuck the “United States Department of Energy” would need any information? I wonder if it’s a common mental disorder in politics not to be able to focus and treat things narrowly? Why is it so hard to ask for a warrant to get the data? If the judicial works closely with law enforcement warrants can be issued in minutes when the situation asks for it. I’ve seen it done plenty of times in Brazil I’m sure the US can achieve such efficiency without fucking up with privacy, due process and the 4th Amendment.

Suzanne Lainson (profile) says:

Follow the money when big tech lobbies

This just came out. Here’s a company that tells you why government is evil, and then charges you for the privilege of bypassing that government service.

How the Maker of TurboTax Fought Free, Simple Tax Filing – ProPublica: “The disclosures show that Intuit as recently as 2011 lobbied on two bills, both of which died, that would have allowed many taxpayers to file pre-filled returns for free. The company also lobbied on bills in 2007 and 2011 that would have barred the Treasury Department, which includes the IRS, from initiating return-free filing.”

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