Apps Letting You Stream Your Own Music From The Cloud Being Pressured Over 'Licensing'

from the you-don't-own-what-you-thought-you-own dept

When Google, Amazon and Apple all entered the “cloud music” space at about the same time, we pointed out that we seemed to be missing the real point of the cloud. That was, that all of the services required the storage provider’s own client app to play the music stored there. As I noted, that’s not what the promise of the cloud is. It should be about being able to store data in the cloud and then let any relevant app access that data through an API. It’s positively ridiculous that the (all legal, by the way) music I have is stored in multiple places in the cloud. For years, I’ve backed it up with a person Amazon S3 account. But when Amazon launched its cloud music player, I couldn’t just point the player to my S3 storage, but had to re-upload. Then when Google launched its Music Beta… re-upload. The best player in the space may be MP3Tunes, who is the most open and willing to let third parties in. But most of the big guys are limited.

So it’s interesting to see that some folks are writing third party apps to access music in Google and Amazon’s cloud… but apparently Amazon flipped out about the aMusic iPhone app and, as sent in by Jeffrey Nonken, politely asked the developer to kill the app, noting that since Apple doesn’t have licenses that “allow” third party access, he has to wait until they have such licenses.

This is, to put it mildly, stupid. If I have legally obtained files, and I put them in a locker where only I have the legal access to them, why shouldn’t I be able to point any app I want at it. This would be like saying that if I had a cllient side app playing music on my hard drive, I couldn’t then get another app to play the same files… unless the hard drive maker got the right “licenses” from the record labels. How does that make any sense at all?

This is definitely a big problem with “cloud” services these days however, where folks like the record labels think they retain ownership and control of files that people think they legally “own,” limiting how they can listen to them. That seems to give the labels much greater rights than are reasonable granted under copyright law… just because the files are stored at a data center, rather than on a local hard drive.

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That Anonymous Coward (profile) says:

Well you shouldn’t be able to because a bunch of overpaid executives who fear technology have paid large sums of money to spineless government officials to make the laws screw the people.

In a world where the length of the cable matters, this makes perfect sense.

The labels/studios deserve to be handed a “tax” on every single 0 & 1 that might ever be in their copyrighted works, so they just demand you pay a license or they sue you into oblivion, then buy up your tech at auction, then shove in some DRM and call it a day.

I tried for sarcasm… still is far to real… sigh.

Anonymous Coward says:

The solution to that problem is to use a distributed storage system, that they can’t bully.

The advantages of it, it is that governments also can’t force no one to hand your stored info since there are not single administrators to ask.

Also if they are flipping out about that wait until they see, streaming services that are legal apparently, people can stream live TV to the internet apparently in most regions.

Say goodbye to affiliated fees, business as usual will not be so for long.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

Now there’s an idea. Store every third byte on a different service. First on on Apple, second one on Google, third one on Amazon. Then there is no infringement anywhere. When you play your tunes with your new HyperFangle AudioCompilerPlayer (TM) which will seamlessly stream your music by piecing the songs back together on the fly. Since you don’t actually have anything complete stored anywhere, except fleetingly in ram on YOUR hardware, it is physically impossible for you to infringe on anything. If Amazon or some such say “Your not using MY player, wa wa wa”, you can say, “OK, play anything in my account, on your site with your player, ha ha ha.”

Not an Electronic Rodent says:

Virtual is confusing

It almost seems like corporations are trying to blur the lines between virtual goods and services and ideas in the same way they blur the lines between physical and virtual goods when it suits them. That and a massive sense of entitlement that seems to claim “If it goes anywhere near something we once thought of we’re owed some money for it… right?”

John Doe says:

Re: Virtual is confusing

That is exactly the problem with IP, they want their cake and eat it to. The gatekeepers want it treated like real property when it suits them (theft vs. copying) and treated like IP when it suits them (license vs. buy). IP allows so much more than RP ever could yet it is locked down so much more than RP ever was.

AJ (profile) says:

Anyone could buy/download Windows Home Server, set it up on an old PC, and use it to stream music and movies to any device they have legal or not. I’m sitting here at work listening to music streaming off my server at home as we speak. Since it’s so easy to do it yourself, you would think they would want to make just as easy, or even more so on the “cloud”. Especially if they can generate revenue from the service through adds and such..

Throwing up artificial barriers is just going to cause the customer to figure out a way to do what they want themselves.

A Monkey with Atitude (profile) says:

Re: Re:

Check out (IMO) it is much more powerful than Microsoft’s Home Server, does the same things, is actually easier to setup, and its FREE (oh know some troll come along and say Freetard)…

I do Itunes Streaming, DNLA, DHCP, and Linux (oh and lots more)

Just something thought you might like to check out…

Ninja (profile) says:

There he goes again, /Pirate Mike/ keeps swinging like a /pendulum/ between his /pro-piracy/ and /anti-copyright/ stances. Hey /chubby/, the judges have already ruled at Zediva’s case that it’s a matter of length of the cord. But no, with your /broad brush/ theories you often let small details like this escape. But oh how I can’t wait for SOPA to pass and see you screaming in despair with your /freetard/ /syncophants/! It’ll be fabulous!


Shit… I must have scored some sort of record here.

Anonymous Coward says:

“This would be like saying that if I had a cllient side app playing music on my hard drive, I couldn’t then get another app to play the same files… unless the hard drive maker got the right “licenses” from the record labels.”

Uh Oh. You might have given some folks an idea right there for the next ridiculous bill to propose.

Overcast (profile) says:

So then.. why doesn’t the music industry provide licenses with CD’s?

What about my old CD’s and maybe even cassettes or records; the technology does exist to digitize all of that – where are my licenses RIAA?

I feel ripped off – I have all this music I’ve bought, but was never provided licenses.

If they want us to have licenses, then why won’t they provide them for both new and old music I have?

It’s not very well logical to expect people to have something that was never provided.

Anonymous Coward says:

If I can’t stream my own music to myself I’m a criminal LoL

I use VLC to stream music to Android and other computers.

– Open a port in your computer(e.g.: 7070)
– Set up the VLC server to stream HTTP on port 7070
– Use “ifconfig” to get your IP address.
– Use any video player in any device that lets you type a url and type for example:

http://[ip here]:[open port here]

And you are streaming.

But trust me, once you done it once in front of kids or your wife they will bug you forever to show something to someone at odd times, unless you set ground rules, like no streaming after 8 o’clock at night of before 8’clock in the morning.

weneedhelp (profile) says:

Re: Re:

Use “ifconfig” to get your IP address
I think he meant ipconfig, but most users connect behind a router of some sort and will need to use (or similar) to show their outside ip, then configure their router to forward the port selected to the internal ip they are actually at.

Not for the average bear. For the above average bear on Windows there is always IIS.

Anonymous Coward says:

Demonstration of an old version of VLC and what it could do at the time, it does more today.

Now imagine you have a friend and he is traveling and you want him to be able to see the game with you, well use VLC to stream to him, get your wife to stram it to you.

You need to show someone a live stream of something in the field? you want to show your wife or kids where you are? stream it with VLC to them at home.

But there is a problem, some people want to make it illegal to transmit video on the internet, they say it is to stop criminals what they don’t say is that they want to label everybody a criminal to stop anyone from doing something they don’t want others to do, so if you send a video to your husband of a game you are a criminal, if they catch people streaming their own videos and start cutting into their profits they will try to claim you can’t do that anymore even if it is your own stream and with the powers they will be granted who will fight against that kind of thing?

Pipps says:


Amazon either allows you to play your purchased music via their player that directly streams from their cloud storage, or you can download the songs directly to your PC and use what ever player you want.

The next logical step would be to make an app that rather than stream from the cloud in place of Amazons app, is to have it temporarily download the songs directly from the cloud and play it as it downloads and delete it when complete or when the track is skipped.

Atkray (profile) says:

While the alternatives to streaming from the cloud are all good (Thank you) they miss one big reason for moving your music or videos to the cloud, if something happens to my home server or worse my whole home I still have the cloud service.

For me that is the big motivation for shifting files to the cloud I upload documents to my skydrive and they are instantly on servers around the world.

John Fenderson (profile) says:

Re: Re:

Yes, but you haven’t solved the problem, just moved it — if something happens to the cloud server, you’re equally out of luck.

I’ve been running my own servers for better than 15 years now and haven’t had a single failure or service outage yet. If one happens, well, that’s why I have backups. I don’t think the risk of losing your own servers is big enough to make that the deciding factor.

nasch (profile) says:

Misplaced anger?

but apparently Amazon flipped out about the aMusic iPhone app… folks like the record labels think they retain ownership and control of files that people think they legally “own,”

Why did you mention the record labels when Amazon appears to be the problem here? The record labels don’t want you streaming your own music at all, but I can’t see why they would care which player you use. Amazon, on the other hand, does want you to use their player.

Bob Ketterer (profile) says:

Playing my Music

The solution is very simple. I’ve stopped buying music with a copyright. Occasionally, Google gives me some free music and, if interested, I’ll play it. There are many of us and the number is growing. So the real trick is to get me interested in any music that not supplied by the radio in the car. The record company’s greed has just turned me off completely. The hogs suck the artists and customer dry and then sue us for sharing a song of two. Music, the great communicator, the first social network, is almost dead; because of a few greedy gate keepers.

nasch (profile) says:

Re: Other Providers

Would apps on Android like CloudAround who stream their OWN music from their OWN storage like Dropbox or Amazon S3 be liable to licensing?

Are you asking about an Amazon app that streams from Amazon storage? Or a third-party app that streams Joe’s music to Joe from Amazon’s storage? I don’t think anyone’s up in arms (yet) about the former, and the latter is what this article is about.

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