Monster Cable Claims EBay, Craigslist, Costco & Sears Are 'Rogue Sites'

from the total-failure dept

When we talk about how dangerous PROTECT IP is as a censorship bill, we’re often told that we shouldn’t worry so much, because it’s only targeted at “rogue sites” and thus wouldn’t impact any legitimate sites. We’re told there’s nothing about rogue sites that is worth defending. And yet, as we’ve seen with the list of “pirate” sites that GroupM put together with help from the music and movie industries, their definition of a “pirate” site is expansive in the extreme. It included the Internet Archive, Vimeo, Soundcloud and a ton of blogs and news sites, including the famed Vibe magazine.

And don’t think it gets any different when you hop over to the trademark/counterfeit side of the debate. In Tim’s post about Monster Cable lobbying in favor of PROTECT IP, as an aside at the end, he notes that on Monster Cable’s own list of “rogue sites,” eBay and Craigslist top the list. And it doesn’t stop there. Retailing giant Costco is on the list. As is Sears. Also some Backpages sites are listed as well (Backpages is a Craigslist-like classifieds system). There’s also FatWallet, which is one of the most popular “deal” listings sites out there. There’s also PriceGrabber and ComputerShopper — popular legitimate sites for comparison shopping and computer purchases. These are not “rogue sites.” These are legitimate companies that Monster Cable appears to have a vendetta against, because they allow for or promote the resale of perfectly legitimate secondhand goods.

In other words, for all the misleading whining from Monster about how it needs PROTECT IP to stop “rogue sites,” you can see from Monster’s own definition of what it considers a rogue site, that it would like to use such things to stomp out legitimate secondhand sales. Now, you can argue over whether or not these sites would pass following a judge’s scrutiny under PROTECT IP, but we’ve seen judges rubber stamp similarly questionable claims against blogs in the past as being “rogue sites.”

If you look at both the GroupM and the Monster lists, one thing becomes clear: these companies are defining any site they can’t control as being a “rogue site.” This isn’t about stopping “piracy.” It’s about using the law to stomp out channels that they can’t control. This is a key point that becomes obvious if you spend any time looking at the details of this law. It’s not about protecting “IP.” It’s about protecting old business models that were based on absolute control of the channel. The complaints of the Universal Musics and Monster Cables of the world isn’t really about counterfeits and piracy, but about the fact that they no longer have absolute control.

And they’re just using “piracy” as the wool to pull over Congress’ eyes to pass a law that tries to give them back control over the channel… by declaring tons of perfectly legitimate sites “rogue sites.”

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

Techdirt definition of troll: Anyone that exposes light on the bs from Masnick.

Here’s what the original commenter said before he was censored by the world-class hypocritical douchebags that reside here:

“Mike Masnick = FUDPACKER. Truly Masnick, the bullshit you set forth here represents a new low… even by your own unbelievably low standards of integrity.I’ll be back to shred this piece of shit in a few hours.”

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

Yeah Masnick. Suck it up. The party’s over for you and your little rogue pirate friends like Sears and Costco. As soon as PROTECT-IP passes, all you pirate boys will be getting molested in prison like the naughty criminal bad boys you are.

Now you’ll have to excuse me. All this ranting has gotten me…”angry” and I…uh…have to go now…I have to…exercise. Yeah, “exercise.”

Marcus Carab (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: Re:

So wait, is Mike paying people to genuinely imitate you, or sarcastically imitate you? Because you have definitely accused him of both. How large of an army of false ACs does MIke employ, exactly? And what sort of Machiavellian misdirect strategy do you suspect he’s using here?

Mike: why the hell didn’t you ask me? I’d have done it for free!

Richard (profile) says:

Which

See my comments on the previous post. They have blacklisted the UK consumer organisation “Which”!

Which is one of the best established consumer organisations out there. It does not engage in any direct commercial activity (on point of principle – so that it is seen as even handed). The only possible reason to blacklist their site is fear of honest comment.

In my mind that is an order of magnitude worse even than (the blacklisting of) the sites you mention in the post.

hmm (profile) says:

Re: Which

Hehehe which? is blacklisted because they ran comparisons of monster cable to wal-marts cheapest and found they were 100% identical in performance but the monster one was literally THOUSANDS of times more expensive

I once sent an email to monster cable asking if they planned to sue Disney for the use of “Monsters Inc.” and laughing how Disney would tear them into “tiny unshielded pieces”….

The lawyer’s reply was extremely unprofessional and kinda pissed off at the fact that most of the world laughs at monster cable products and their ENTIRE customer base is formed of techno-illiterate retards.

Seriously thats what their lawyer said…our customers don’t WANT to learn about technology they just want to use products that WE recommend and people should stop trying to discourage them from spending their own money.

JB says:

Re: Re: Which

I have never and will never use Monster Cable for the reason you said about going after Disney. Monster Cable only go after small fries. Even ones not related to anything audio visual.

Monster Cable went after a local hole in the wall vintage clothing retailer because of their name “Monster Vintage”. I guess anything with “Monster” in it… They feel that they are entitled to it or that it infringes on their copyright of “Monster Cable”.

I believe they have also gone after Monster.com as well as many other companies small and medium.

Dennis M (user link) says:

Re: Monster Cable: u mad?

I know that’s right.. I would never pay $100 for a cable. I get antsy paying more than $5. If something goes wrong, i’ll just buy another. No biggie. I personally have had great experiences with the cables I bought from ebay. No complaints at all..

They need to lower their prices then maybe they’ll get some more sales..

Anonymous Coward says:

Really Pirate Mike? We all know how intellectual property enforcement makes you crazy, but didn’t know it was this crazy.

Who cares who is on Monster’s list of sites? They aren’t the government.

Protect IP is already incredibly specific about what foreign sites will be targeted.

But you knew that already.

It’s just that your insatiable lust for piracy has blinded you so severely that you’re left writing hilariously idiotic misrepresentations of reality.

It’s really quite pathetic.

Joseph stevens says:

Re: Response to: Anonymous Coward on Oct 5th, 2011 @ 2:32pm

Your comment is so misguided. If you actually think that large corporations like Monster Cable is not our government, wake up! The lobbyist are the ones that control the government. The corporations are the ones that fund the lobbyist. Its already a felony to pick a tomato and feed it to a pig. Its a felony for a child to sell their puppies and bunnies without a license they cant get unless their 18 years old. Its a felony to use 25 used tires or more for flower beds. In some states its a felony to own a sex toy. Its against the law in some states to smoke a cigarette in your car. there are many many more laws that people arent aware of that are causing them to commit felonies and crimes so big corporations can make a profit. So by all means vote yes for large corporations can make profit and make more americans homeless. (by the way, many large corporations release songs and movies to get higher sales and publicity.)

DigitalRAGE (profile) says:

Are you smarter than a 5th grader?

I pulled this email off of monsters website for their cat 6 cable. This goes to show their target customer’s level of intelligence.

“I was sick of poor quality photos and movies being delivered from my NAS. I added a Monster network cable to my NAS and immediately noticed a huge difference in the resolution of my photos. The fuzziness was gone. My movies too were of higher definition when compared to using just plain Cat6 cable. I’m about to get another for the PC side. Can’t wait.”

josh says:

Re: Are you smarter than a 5th grader?

cheap china power cords work better for audio cables than monster cables.just grab a couple and wire them in parallel to make one wire.works way better than monster cables and way cheaper,if you have a lot of cheap broken electronics its free.There is nothing special about reduced resistance.It is clear monster consumers know nothing about techonolgy!

That Anonymous Coward (profile) says:

*blink blink blink*
I sometimes would kill to be able to see the IP addresses here. Given how easily copyright trolls get IP discovery so easily, I think it would totally be worth the lookup fee to find out who is paying for the trolls.

Given Monster Cable’s over zealous insanity over the name and the “quality” of their cables, I can totally see them hiring the firm being used by the other guys to make sure that TechDirt is put in its place.

Of course the downside is they always go for the cheap attacks, or the crazy attacks, or clap when the constitution gets gutted. They think its awesome when someone’s free speech is trampled, then complain when it is done to them.

So I gotta wonder AC Troll Brigade, how much do you make sock puppeting?

Really? says:

Re: Re: Re:

Seriously? Grow up dude. Times have changed. We can all access entertainment for free because we can all create entertainment and provide it for free. stop being a dick and use your brain to think of creative ways to make money off of entertainment. Anyone can make content these days. It’s all going to be free. Deal with it

That Anonymous Coward (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:

Care to backup that allegation?
For all you know of me, I could be in the UK where your claim is actionable in court.
But I do enjoy your zealous reactions to someone highlighting what quite possibly is one of the worst companies from the public’s perception claiming that this legislation is amazing and wonderful when they make it clear they seek to use it to stifle anyone who thinks their product is crap, or suggest a cheaper alternative.

Other than claiming its all bullshit did you actually have a single salient point to your argument or are you just here to stroke your own ego because your sticking it to Mike?

Anonymous Coward says:

Such a target rich environment, where do I start with this bowel movement?

When we talk about how dangerous PROTECT IP is as a censorship bill, we’re often told that we shouldn’t worry so much, because it’s only targeted at “rogue sites” and thus wouldn’t impact any legitimate sites. We’re told there’s nothing about rogue sites that is worth defending.

This is all true Masnick. Existing law under which NinjaVideo was seized could be used against a domestic site like Ebay or Costco… but it hasn’t. Why? Because they aren’t rogue websites. Pure FUDpacking.

And yet, as we’ve seen with the list of “pirate” sites that GroupM put together with help from the music and movie industries, their definition of a “pirate” site is expansive in the extreme. It included the Internet Archive, Vimeo, Soundcloud and a ton of blogs and news sites, including the famed Vibe magazine.

Shockingly, GroupM can’t unilaterally do jack shit under the Protect IP Act. Please articulate a convincing case under which a Federal judge would deem Ebay (or any of the other mentioned websites) rises to the following standard:

??Internet site dedicated to infringing activities?? means an Internet site that?
(A) has no significant use other than engaging in, enabling, or facilitating the
(i) reproduction, distribution, or public performance of copyrighted works, in complete or substantially complete form, in a manner that constitutes copyright infringement under section 501 of title 17, United States Code;
(ii) violation of section 1201 of title 17, United States Code; or
(iii) sale, distribution, or promotion of goods, services, or materials bearing a counterfeit mark, as that term is defined in section 34(d) of the Lanham Act; or (B) is designed, operated, or marketed by
its operator or persons operating in concert with the operator, and facts or circumstances suggest is used, primarily as a means for engaging in, enabling, or facilitating the activities described under clauses (i), (ii), or (iii) of subparagraph (A);”

And don’t think it gets any different when you hop over to the trademark/counterfeit side of the debate. In Tim’s post about Monster Cable lobbying in favor of PROTECT IP, as an aside at the end, he notes that on Monster Cable’s own list of “rogue sites,” eBay and Craigslist top the list. And it doesn’t stop there. Retailing giant Costco is on the list. As is Sears. Also some Backpages sites are listed as well (Backpages is a Craigslist-like classifieds system). There’s also FatWallet, which is one of the most popular “deal” listings sites out there. There’s also PriceGrabber and ComputerShopper — popular legitimate sites for comparison shopping and computer purchases. These are not “rogue sites.” These are legitimate companies that Monster Cable appears to have a vendetta against, because they allow for or promote the resale of perfectly legitimate secondhand goods.

The fact that one whacko company lashes out crazily does not invalidate the virtue of the proposed law. Just like when one of the period certifiably-crazy tinfoil hatters posts nutty ravings, no one serious suggests that the guy is anything other than a crackpot.

In other words, for all the misleading whining from Monster about how it needs PROTECT IP to stop “rogue sites,” you can see from Monster’s own definition of what it considers a rogue site, that it would like to use such things to stomp out legitimate secondhand sales.

Can you find me anything in the Protect IP Act (or any other law) that Monster could cite as a basis to stop me from selling a used cable on Ebay or Craigslist? Didn’t think so.

Now, you can argue over whether or not these sites would pass following a judge’s scrutiny under PROTECT IP, but we’ve seen judges rubber stamp similarly questionable claims against blogs in the past as being “rogue sites.

Like NinjaVideo, Rojadirecta? Please Masnick you’re absolutely out of your mind to even suggest this. First of all, a legitimate company doesn’t hide like Roja and NV when the process server comes a-calling. Which of those companie yu mention do you figure would avoid service and be subject to an ex parte order seizing their website? It’s laughable FUDboy and you know it.

If you look at both the GroupM and the Monster lists, one thing becomes clear: these companies are defining any site they can’t control as being a “rogue site.” This isn’t about stopping “piracy.” It’s about using the law to stomp out channels that they can’t control.

Waiting for you to present a case that would convince a judge to misuse and misapply the law in such a gross manner.

his is a key point that becomes obvious if you spend any time looking at the details of this law. It’s not about protecting “IP.” It’s about protecting old business models that were based on absolute control of the channel. The complaints of the Universal Musics and Monster Cables of the world isn’t really about counterfeits and piracy, but about the fact that they no longer have absolute control.

They don’t have control without piracy and counterfeiting. They still have to compete in a marketplace that is full of able competition. They ought not be forced to compete against people who are selling the same thing as they are without incurring a dime in production costs, or (for hardgoods) trading on their good name and reputation that the companies have invested millions in creating.

And they’re just using “piracy” as the wool to pull over Congress’ eyes to pass a law that tries to give them back control over the channel… by declaring tons of perfectly legitimate sites “rogue sites.”

Utter and contemptible lies. First of all, the bill hasn’t even been passed (yet) and you’re already pronouncing that “they” will be “declaring tons of perfectly legitimate sites ‘rogue sites'”. And even if you did take a trip in your time machine- “they” can’t declare shit… unless your “they” is a Federal judge.

As an outrageous piece of shit as this is, I am heartened that your level of desperation has elevated to the point that you’d actually sign your name to something so embarrassingly false and self-serving. I can only infer that knowledgable people have done the math on the impact on freeloading and the result is terrifying to the freeloaders, their apologists and enablers.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Overpaid by your masters

It took you FOUR-AND-A-HALF HOURS to come up with this nonsensical bullshit?!

Wait, now I know where the **AAs money went: not to “piracy”, they wasted it all on incompetent shills like you.

Unlike you, I don’t live in my mother’s basement and actually have a life away from the keyboard. And also unlike you, it doesn’t involve a LARP league or humiliating myself reciting poetry set to music in front of people pointing and laughing.

hmm (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: Overpaid by your masters

He doesn’t live in his MOTHERS basement because by a technicality (he murdered her, raped the corpse then buried her in a field) its HIS basement now…………..

Also why the dissing of LARP? are you that unfit that you’re scared to do anything involving actual exercise (apart from the grave digging of course)?

And an attack on POETRY….OMG thats it, its over you’ve painted us with a [poetic term for broadbrush] and we all give up and agree to go to prison for a bazillion years………

Mike Masnick (profile) says:

Re: Re:

This is all true Masnick. Existing law under which NinjaVideo was seized could be used against a domestic site like Ebay or Costco… but it hasn’t. Why? Because they aren’t rogue websites. Pure FUDpacking.

PROTECT IP includes a private right to action, meaning that private companies can go after sites they believe are rogue sites.

Either way you miss my point. I am not saying that PROTECT IP itself would be used directly. Merely I am pointing out that while you insist that rogue sites are easily defined, the companies you trot out to Congress as being the key supporters of this law seem to have a very, very different standard.

Shockingly, GroupM can’t unilaterally do jack shit under the Protect IP Act. Please articulate a convincing case under which a Federal judge would deem Ebay (or any of the other mentioned websites) rises to the following standard:

Once again, the point which appears to have gone way over your head: the companies pushing for this law keep claiming that it’s easy to define rogue websites. Yet every time they try to… look at what they seem to come up with.

The fact that one whacko company lashes out crazily does not invalidate the virtue of the proposed law.

One whacko company that you and your friends trotted out to Congress this week as the perfect example of companies that need PROTECT IP to protect them from just these kinds of rogue websites.

Might want to do a little better background checks on your best examples.

Can you find me anything in the Protect IP Act (or any other law) that Monster could cite as a basis to stop me from selling a used cable on Ebay or Craigslist? Didn’t think so.

Heh. Misdirection. I don’t think Monster can stop you from selling your used cable. And they’re smart enough not to go after eBay and Craigslist, I’m sure. But what they can do is cause tremendous problems for the next generation version of eBay and Craigslist, which isn’t so big and well known — merely by making use of their private right to action even if it would get thrown out of court. Merely coming down on someone and bringing them to court at an early stage of a business can be a disaster.

This is why so many entrepreneurs are so freaked out about this dreadful law.

Like NinjaVideo, Rojadirecta? Please Masnick you’re absolutely out of your mind to even suggest this. First of all, a legitimate company doesn’t hide like Roja and NV when the process server comes a-calling. Which of those companie yu mention do you figure would avoid service and be subject to an ex parte order seizing their website? It’s laughable FUDboy and you know it.

Have you looked at the blogs that the government seized? The same ones in which the evidence against them was a song sent directly by a VP at one of the major record labels, and they have the emails to prove it?

Right.

They don’t have control without piracy and counterfeiting. They ought not be forced to compete against people who are selling the same thing as they are without incurring a dime in production costs, or (for hardgoods) trading on their good name and reputation that the companies have invested millions in creating.

But, as your own key example company shows, they consider eBay, Craigslist, Costco and Sears to be “piracy and counterfeiting.” That’s a problem.

In the meantime, I’m not sure your second sentence means what you think it means. Do you really mean to suggest that no one can sell anything without the originator’s permission?

As an outrageous piece of shit as this is, I am heartened that your level of desperation has elevated to the point that you’d actually sign your name to something so embarrassingly false and self-serving. I can only infer that knowledgable people have done the math on the impact on freeloading and the result is terrifying to the freeloaders, their apologists and enablers.

I make no money from “freeloading.” I have no vested stake in this at all… other my fear of a bunch of legacy industries killing off the next generation of innovation.

What innovation have you ever created in your life? What, pray tell, makes you the expert that says that it’s okay to pass laws that kill off innovative products because some companies are too scared to adapt?

iBelieve says:

Re: Re: Re:

In the meantime, I’m not sure your second sentence means what you think it means. Do you really mean to suggest that no one can sell anything without the originator’s permission?

A new model for goods manufacturing, to license what they make and offer it up like a music cd, os or software program, so that we are only paying for the right to use it? Don’t give anyone such ideas.. Geeshh Really, that is out there? Then I will surely sue anyone who attempts to update “MY” purchased (licenses) without my explicit permission.

GregP says:

Re: Re: Re:

“What innovation have you ever created in your life?”

Shouldn’t people who “create innovation” have their work protected and not stolen by those who want it for free? You seem to want it both ways – don’t stifle innovation, but don’t protect the innovators from the theft of their work. Your argument is logically inconsistent.

Hothmonster says:

Re: Re:

“The fact that one whacko company lashes out crazily does not invalidate the virtue of the proposed law. Just like when one of the period certifiably-crazy tinfoil hatters posts nutty ravings, no one serious suggests that the guy is anything other than a crackpot.”

Except didnt they take the crackpot to congress and say see its little companies like this that need help from all the evil they see. Whether or not its legitimate evil doesnt matter just that they see it everywhere.

“As an outrageous piece of shit as this is, I am heartened that your level of desperation has elevated to the point that you’d actually sign your name to something so embarrassingly false and self-serving.”

i see you still won’t sign yours to your bullshit…

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

I think the point is that this legislation could and would have EASILY transmogrified in some of these worst fears. What is laughable is the naivete. Just look at the SCOTUS Citizens United 5-4 decision among others. IMO, those 5 are rogue judges who went far beyond “interpreting”. The last 10-year history of corporate-congressional cluster fk makes it OBVIOUS what slippery slopes we scramble to reclimb daily in these times.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

Protip: Rojadirecta doesn’t need to hide, it simply has no responsibility answering frivolous legal threats from across the ocean.

Remember, US law only applies in US territory (that is, until they are successful pushing their own laws elsewhere, of course) and what Rojadirecta does is fully within Spanish law and, therefore, legal.

If you got served some legal threats from North Korea, due to some NK law you’re supposed to be breaking, wouldn’t you laught it off? That’s what everyone does, when they get served US legal threats.

Of course, you are free to use your Great Firewall of America to block traffic to/from foreign websites, just don’t think about messing with things that are outside US jurisdiction, or you’ll be surprised when things don’t happen as you expect.

Oh, and by the way… try harder! http://rojadirecta.me/

The Logician says:

Fascinating. Copyright maximalists live in a state of constant fear and paranoia that colors everything they say an do. They fear change. They fear loss of control. And they are so desperate to avoid facing the reality of their situation that they will continually do very illogical things, such as attempting to steal from the public domain and place inaccurate labels upon sites that have nothing to do with the behavior the maximalists describe.

One way to tell who is being more honest in a debate is not just in what is said, but in how it is said. In this case, maximalists have always been arrogant and condescending, even insulting, whereas more commonly those who speak from a position of logic and common sense – those who believe copyright and its enforcement have gone too far for far too long – most often do not exhibit the behaviors of the maximalists. Not in seriousness, at least. I have never observed Mike to be insulting to anyone, even his detractors, nor attempt to twist arguments around as the maximalists so often do.

Maximalists believe any change from how things were once done is a threat to their control. Except that, because of modern technology, that control is now an illusion. They are trying to hold smoke in their hands, not realizing that it is impossible to do so. Technology will always undermine what legislation attempts to determine.

iBelieve says:

Re: Re:

You write as if you have never had a work of art published, or a product or product line that was worth protecting from outright theft. You neatly call them ‘maximalists’ to place them all in the same tank?

I believe that part of the problem is that some of these people/businesses put their products/works up on the internet with the idea of getting rich quick because of the near infinitessimal commercial reach, but fail to realize that they would not be able to represent their work with sufficient protection from possible theft or infringement and unreasonably place that obligation squarely and disproportionately on the international community(ie potential customers). If they want us to police ourselves for their sake, shouldn’t they be willing to give a little? Otherwise, they can certainly get what they reap(an embittered public reprisal, falling sales etc..). There has to be some middle ground from which sensible legislation will come. These “giant” corporations can’t expect for the paying public at large to give up the ground for their commercial take. We have all got to get along some how. I believe this middle ground will be where the common sense in new legislation will come from. Or maybe no common sense will be possible. Its up to a relative few to decide for the masses, right? But as for the business model of the future, a little give for a lot of take may go a long way.

iBelieve says:

Little Monster cable

~Not so monstrous with its concepts concerning personal property and the right of an owner to sell it, second hand, despite corporations and manufacturers wanting consumers to buy first handed. This whole story has FAIL written all over it. No luck, monster cable. Good riddens from any possible touch with free enterprise.

Deeply Shrouded & Quiet says:

Data is data

I was sick of poor quality photos and movies being delivered from my NAS. I added a Monster network cable to my NAS and immediately noticed a huge difference in the resolution of my photos. The fuzziness was gone. My movies too were of higher definition when compared to using just plain Cat6 cable. I’m about to get another for the PC side. Can’t wait.”

OK I read this and said, WTF? How can a cable change the
resolution of a picture? Sounds like someone has no clue.
If I send data over a cable, unless that cable is poorly
shielded and is experiencing interference from another source
then the data delivered should arrive intact.
That whole statement above sounds like a whole lot of Bravo Sierra to me.

–Deeply Shrouded & Quiet
–Central Control! D-Dial #49

rxrightsadvocate (profile) says:

PROTECT IP defies common sense

It goes against common sense that websites such as Costco and Sears would be on a ?rogue sites? list. And these are not the only legitimate sites that could be affected by the PROTECT IP Act. This bill could shut down the sites of legitimate Canadian and other international pharmacies–taking away Americans? online access to safe, affordable medications–because PROTECT IP fails to distinguish between the ?good guys”–the licensed, legitimate pharmacies that require a doctor?s prescription–and the ?bad guys? who sell everything from diluted or fake medicine to narcotics without a prescription.

RxRights is a national coalition of individuals and organizations dedicated to promoting and protecting American consumer access to sources of safe, affordable prescription drugs. The Coalition is asking Americans to take action now by sending letters to Congress and President Obama urging them to oppose the PROTECT IP Act. For more information or to voice your concern, visit http://www.RxRights.org.

wvhillbilly (profile) says:

Monster Cable = Monster troll

What the **** does Monster Cable define a “rouge site” as?

Monster Cable has been a troll ever since I knew there was such a thing as Monster Cable. They’ve sued everything and everybody from a Mom and Pop clothing store to Walt Disney for using the bare word “Monster” in some commercial context. For Disney it was because the title of the movie, “Monsters Inc.” And now they’re wanting to shut down what they consider to be “rogue sites” – and for what? and on what legal basis?

Somebody needs to serve a cease and desist order on Monster Cable for filing frivolous lawsuits!

k says:

munster cable

I will stop buying all monster cable products.It bewilders one who’s sole existence is on something that actually serves artists or the appreciation of music could be so pathetic to shoot themselves in the foot out of the need for immediate financial greed.
This is bad thinking on their part and whatever executives they hired who put this forth should be let go after they pay a penalty

k says:

munster cable

I will stop buying all monster cable products.It bewilders one who’s sole existence is on something that actually serves artists or the appreciation of music could be so pathetic to shoot themselves in the foot out of the need for immediate financial greed.
This is bad thinking on their part and whatever executives they hired who put this forth should be let go after they pay a penalty

tax payer says:

Am I missing something here? Once I purchase a product, it is mine to do with as I please. If I want to sell it to someone else, whose business is it other than mine? I buy a car, when I am done with it, should GM or Ford inhibit my ability to sell it to someone else, no. It stopped being theirs or their business when I paid for it. For Congress or any corp to stick its nose into my ability to do what I want with my property is wrong and should not be allowed to happen. Besides, Congress has no credibility in financial matters any more. Maybe once they stop spending more money than they take in, can they talk to me about financial matters.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

Again, just look at the SCOTUS 5-4 Citizens United decision. It’s one unconstitutional outrage after another and it’s a logical next step to ban reselling by individuals! You think it won’t be tried in a variety of insidious small steps? Look at the poster who says he needs a permit to hold a garage sale in his town.

Roark (profile) says:

Time for the 99.9% (We the People) to take back the world

There’s 13 extremely powerful families (Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Queen Elizabeth, Bush, etc) who’ve made it their mission in the past couple hundred years to literally take over the world and they’re moving right along with this sinister plan.

When we’ve awakened enough people who are ready to stand together against the globalist illuminiati’s and their New World Order, we can do this!

nasch (profile) says:

Re: Time for the 99.9% (We the People) to take back the world

There’s 13 extremely powerful families (Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Queen Elizabeth, Bush, etc) who’ve made it their mission in the past couple hundred years to literally take over the world and they’re moving right along with this sinister plan.

They must be headed up by the Pentaveret, who of course meet triannually in Colorado at The Meadows.

jacob says:

Re: this is insane

Vote? Die bold Inc manufactures your voting machines in America… bank of America owns die bold so basically bank of American controls your voting. Hahaha. Have fun voting….
Oh yea also the same voting machines got bofa a trillion dollars of your own “bailout” tax dollars then they just loan youyour own money back at high interest … well that’s if your lucky enough to have good credit but that’s a whole another story so I won’t even get started in the credit business

A patriot says:

censorship

It seems as though they are failing to consider our constitutional rights as americans to venture into the endeavors granted by the rights of liberty.

In my opinion those mentioned websites on the “list” are not but tools used by the general public and others in pursuit of an objective to which the public and others that may use those tools may to certain extents be questionable….

Should everybody have to change because something happened to somebody…What of the proper sacrafises in order to assure our constitution of liberty…Should we outlaw a whole appendage of industry and judge the innocent as a matter of convenience.

To many laws mandated lately in my opinion as a matter of convenience rather than to keep the peace where will that lead us as americans but to the destruction of our sovereignty…

From an american patriot.

Drako Tags says:

Funny..

Hey, wait a minute. I worked for Sears once.

Both Costco and Sears are licenced to resell Monster Cables through Resllers agreements with Monster.

So, Monster’s only beef, these 2 are selling them for less than what Monster sells them for. (Not by much though.) Hey, Monster already made to profit on the cables…and sure they have an MSRP – but resellers (by law) do not have to sell at the MSRP. (All resellers will sell the cables at a markup to make a profit though.)

JasonD says:

Wait...

I’m on the good guys side but…
Isn’t Monster just listing companies where which not to buy their cables from? They include, for example, craigslist on their so called “rogue” list, but isn’t that valid, because counterfeit cables *can* be sold on craigslist? To me, it seems that Monster’s list referenced in this article (http://www.monstercable.com/counterfeit/dealers_blk.asp) is fair, as it is just making their customers aware of outlets that could possibly sell counterfeit products.

Am I wrong? Do I not get it?

Holly (profile) says:

If indeed these powers that be; are going to bullishly push Internet control through in spite of ‘the people’s’ wishes; I can see many of us losing complete interest in using the Internet at all. It will be a sterile and stale piece of communication that will belong to “them”……….They are separating and isolating themselves from the general public. Can’t we all be nice and get along??Those who push power and bully will realize; when it’s too late; how little they truly accomplished.

Fred Astaire says:

Communism can't work here either!

I keep reading more and more political garbage about these various bills. Sounds to me like the people behind these bills are not only threatining our right to free speech, they are threatining the very purpose of the security features built into a de-centralized web. In other words, it won’t be a web anymore.
This is what they have done in comunist china. This is a threat to our nation’s national security. (look at china). It is threatening to destroy capitalism as well.
One of the main problems I have noticed besides the fact that most americans don’t care, is that most of the “Action” ideas that I have read about don’t look like they would have any effect on the outcome.
I am concerned that the only amendment that will remain may well end up being the second one. (right to bear arms).

Mitch says:

Monster Cable

As a sound reinforcement engineer, I can tell you that there is NO DISCERNIBLE difference to the ear between using lamp cord or Monster cable in your home! Until you get over 30-40 feet it’s bullshit. YOU DO NOT NEED 100 dollar cables! They should be embarrassed at taking money from young folks like that!

Frank says:

Re: Monster Cable

Just to amplify on Mitch’s comment. The whole REASON that HDMI and other digital cable formats were created was to get the cable quality out of the loop. As long as the cable is “good enough” to transmit the digital signal, then it is fine. Plating it with gold, or even making it out of pure gold or some other high priced material will make no measurable difference on a digital cable.

frank says:

this shit is stupid, government needs to keep there hands off our shit. leave our internet alone its one thing we have the freedom to do what we want on it but we got out shady government officals and this bullshit stuff trying to control shit, what is our world coming to. back the fuck off this shit better not pass or this worlds goin to war sick of the government thinkin they can run shit. think again buddy. millions of civilans out here think you can control us all? think about ittttttttt

J says:

Not just greed...Hypocritical Greed

The official Beats by Dr. Dre brand site (http://beatsbydre.com/), is listed on Monster Cable’s black list of unauthorized sellers (http://www.monstercable.com/counterfeit/dealers_blk.asp).
However, Monster Cable has Beats by Dr. Dre products in their own product listing. (http://www.monstercable.com/headphones/beats/)

Who’s waiting for Monster Cable to black list Best Buy’s website (http://www.bestbuy.com/) for PIPA?

lyssa says:

our four fathers

Our four fathers had the were a part of the revolution against brittian. Had the Boston tea party for taxes, and than came up with our constitutional rights. And I’m sorry but these laws that people are trying to pass are in violation of thouses rights. Where are the people that took Prayer Day of the calendar saying it was unconstitutional. These laws fall with that law. All I know is people have fought and died to allow us these freedoms and to have them taken away just like that. I’m sorry we don’t have anyfreedoms. We made Iraq add Afghanistan more free than we are. Here we are helping everyone but ourselves. I am very disappointed on where congresses has put America. We use to say I’m Proud to be an American. And now its only said in songs. No one is proud of what congress has made this country into. I am ashamed of my country. Of what congress Nd senators have made it taking the simplist right that was the hardest to get freedom of expression.

kg says:

Are you smarter than a 5th grader?

im quite into audio visual and computers. i use monster cable for my home theatre and computer for sound and picture. and i see and hear a huge difference in picture/sound quality from generic wires to monster cable. and ived used monster extensivly for the last 15 years.
a cleaner signal no matter what device you are using is always better, hense gold contacts shielded against other interference and oxygen free cable. if you want to put up yer generic hdmi cable against my 100 dollar shielded gold monster hdmi you just let me know…you must have top of the line equipment for monster cables to do anything. you wouldnt put a 800 hp engine into a ford pinto would ya? same goes for electronics.

i think its clear you know nothing about electronics…

Anonymous Coward says:

Are you smarter than a 5th grader?

You’re retarded… and YOU claim to know about electronics? LMAO like it’s all really that complicated?! What an effing joke! I think it’s clear you love paying out the ass for overpriced pieces of junk! Sure there’s a lot worse out there… but there is also comparable quality stuff for MUCH less. The only monster cable I ever bought was total crap… the one I got from radio shack had less feedback. How’s that for comparison? And now that many of the signals are digital… it’s even less crucial to have all the so called “benifits” from a monster piece of junk cable. And do we ALL have top of the line equipment and need to be forced to buy a 100 dollar monster cable?! HELL NO!

Jonathan says:

Deep Breath

Take a deep breath. The referenced page on Monster Cable’s site doesn’t use the word “rogue”. It only says the listed sites are not authorized dealers. There’s no attempt to shut them down. C’mon, Costco and Ebay are on the list. No one’s trying or going to try to shut down those legitimate business websites.

Not saying SOPA is a good thing, but this type of hype is hurting the anti-SOPA movement because it’s raising illegitimate arguments. You don’t need hysteria. Fight the legislation with reasoned arguments.

Craig (user link) says:

They'll only hurt themselves

So they want to kill off the secondary market for their own used goods so that everyone must purchase only the new product? Long term that’s a good way to kill their own market.

Some competitor would then come in with a comparable product and encourage resale = better reputation and similar product, so most likely more loyalty and sales.

marcia wilbur (profile) says:

Monster cable - the irony

I find this article fascinating! In the late 1980s my family owned Apature Products. We were listed as #2 in the wire industry only to the #1 company – Monster Cable.

The ironic thing here is that I have spent over a decade fighting for the balance in Copyright and informing/fighting against the DMCA.

Had the economic tides been turned, perhaps I could have fought and lobbied.

Oh, the irony!

Anonymous Coward says:

monster cable company is making a horrible arguement. Yes, I’m sure craigslist and ebay are cutting into there profits, but if thats the case what is the difference to our local newspapers classified ads. So what is Monster Cable trying to say anyone who posts an ad in the newspaper should be charged as well and pay a fine. This has been going on for years and years and now that the economy is in the dumps these big companies are not make what they used to. So, what can they do besides come after us and force there ways into our pockets to continue taking our money.

noone at all says:

America is so desperate for “profit$” that it will eventually need to adopt these positions in order to continue its existence.

Sony tried this with their playstation a few years back: They wanted to make all “used” sales illegal because in their user agreement it says “this game is not transferrable”…

Needless to say, their paranoid delusions did not pan through.

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