Danish Law Enforcement Would Like To Outlaw Anonymous Use Of The Internet

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The Danish Ministry of Justice has put forth a proposal that would effectively make it much more difficult for anyone to use the internet anonymously. Specifically, if adopted, the plan would require that anyone offering open internet access to users would first have to confirm each user’s identity, and then (of course!) record all sorts of info such as IP addresses, browser histories and records of who the user interacted with. That data then gets sent to the government… “to combat terrorism.” Of course, what this means is that there’s almost no way to be anonymous online. While it may be true that anonymity can (and at times, is) abused, it’s going really far to suggest that there shouldn’t be any anonymity. And giving the government that much info just screams out for it to be abused. We’re definitely seeing more proposals like this… and, amusingly, any time we mention them, it seems that the “anonymous” commenters here are the ones who insist that such policies make sense…

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Viking King Monitoring Inc says:

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Cross referencing information with government database … searching … FOUND!

Yes Mario Gonzalez, your reputation has been damaged beyond repair. Your employer has been contacted and you will be terminated shortly. Expect the deportation officials to contact you within 48 hours. Have a nice day.

Hephaestus (profile) says:

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It really is going to be fun when there is no anonymous commenting. You will always know who the people trying the troll or shill game are. You will always be able to track them back to their home addresses. There will be no way for them to sock puppet blogs. I can’t wait!! I mean Image their IPv6 addresses posted next to their screen name!!

Speaking of which I own a double edged sword.

Gwiz (profile) says:

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Another little piece of the wild west shut off. So it begins, are you ready for it?

Yep, paid cash for some burn phones with wireless access point software.

Of course, I could always hack my local MickeyD’s public WiFi key too if I wanted. Or piggyback on someone else legit connection at MickeyD’s. And I always connect with a spoofed MAC address anyways, so, yeah I’m getting ready.

Prisoner 201 says:

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On the Sharp MZ800 you had to first load the tape with the operating system, then you could put in the tape with the actual software you wanted to run.

But hey, it had a built in plotter. You just dont get that level of awesome any more.

And yeah, it will be even easier to get away with stuff if the authorities know for a fact that Mr. Smith was using the internet (since he signed in, identified himself etc). No need to look for Mr. 201.

el_segfaulto (profile) says:

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I could really see like-minded people (I LOVE dd-wrt!) creating a darknet to bypass these idiotic new laws. And if big business thinks security geeks like us (I’m lumping in a number of other posters here) are trouble, they’re going to have a whole lot of pain controlling the next generation. I plan on raising an entire brood of hackers if/when the time comes.

Anonymous Coward says:

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It isn’t really difficult to see what is happening. Another little piece of the wild west shut off. So it begins, are you ready for it?

It isn’t really difficult to see what is happening. Another little piece of freedom shut off. So it begins, are you ready for it?

There, fixed it for you. And ready to fight is what I’m ready for.

Niall (profile) says:

Re: Terrorism?

Ok, I’m a not-so-ignorant Brit who does bother to look out of his own backyard. How many people a year are wounded or killed IN AMERICA from terror attacks?

Or to put it another way: How many people a year have their basic freedoms and rights trampled on in America?

If you want to stop terrorism, go after the lunatic fringe of groups like PETA and ‘pro’-lifers with even a fraction of the enthusiasm wasted on airlines and warrantless wiretapping.

I think you’ll find that Denmark is a much safer place all around…

PrometheeFeu (profile) says:

Re: Re: Terrorism?

Actually, the primary source of terrorism in the US is white-supremacy/crazy-far-right groups. They are the kind of people who make Glenn Beck look like a Marxist.

Honestly, for the most part PETA is doing mostly breaking and entering stupid stuff where they “free” a whole bunch of animals “in the wild.” For the most part it is really incompetent stuff. I have a friend who does research on flies and one day when the PETA people couldn’t find the monkeys to release, they released thousands upon thousands of flies in her lab. Threw away years of research so the flies could have a couple days of freedom before they died of natural causes. Calling them terrorists is a bit excessive. As for the pro-lifers, you are talking about a very small minority of them and again, they do about as much terrorism as Islamic terrorists. Not a lot.

cc (profile) says:

Those who really want anonymity will still have anonymity. The only ones who will lose their anonymity are the average technologically-oblivious citizens, who as always won’t even know what’s going on.

IMO, it will be an ID theft nightmare, as there’ll be user IDs being traded on the black market from day one. Not to mention that encrypted proxies will still completely defeat these measures, making them completely useless against organized groups and individuals.

Really, this is as pointless as it is retarded and I can assure you it will never catch a single terrorist.

Greg G (profile) says:

record all sorts of info such as IP addresses, browser histories and records of who the user interacted with.

This gives new emphasis on the L in ASL in chat rooms/IRC. If that L comes back as Denmark, and to be safe, any neighboring country (Sweden, Norway, Germany…) then I will refuse to talk to you, unless maybe you’re on the Swedish Bikini Team. I might make that an exception.

bIrqul (profile) says:

Denmark's pols seem to be losing their collective minds.

This proposal disturbs me for a few reasons: Some of us use pseudonyms or resort to anonymity to lessen the repercussions of having someone who finds our opinions or ideas offensive. Whether it is a governmental agency or, as we have here in Utah, ordinary citizens who will proverbially “move Heaven and Earth” to find you if they don’t like what you said. I speak from the expensive experience of a brick with a copy of The Book of Mormon (the openig salvo of several months of harrassment) thrown through my front window because I stupidly sent a letter to the Salt Lake Tribune in 2008 criticizing the LDS church’s spending over two million dollars in California campaigning for Proposition 8 (if you’ve been in a cave studying and/or finding a way to preserve Neolithic wall paintngs for future generations, it was the one repealing the rights of gays to marry) when there were actually worthy uses of that much money here in the state. There were food banks facing the posibity of having to shut down because they couldn’t get enough donations to remain open, and two voulunteer-run “Meals on Wheels”-type programs that would have to cut their deliveries to twice a week insted of the three-to-five (depending on the recipient’s ablity to afford and prepare meals and care for other needs. Assisting local community groups in avoiding starving-out grandma and grandpa is, to me, a more donaton-worthy cause than something going on in California.
Because of my letter, some annoyed and diligent individual(s) hunted me down by my former name (the situation eventually became so bad that my husband and I had to legally change our names, get a court order to delete our e-mail accounts [our former internet provider was quite adamant that we keep them], and finally move to stop the vandalism, threatening telephone calls, e-mails, and despite the post office’s best efforts, snail mail threats [can anyone say “fedeal offense to send threats via mail.”? I KNEW this crowd probably could], before it finally ended.
I’m willing to bet my life this wasn’t the work of the so-called “Mormon Mafia” – read “Unarmed Mall Cops who request certain people or groups get off church-owned property”, just one dedicated fanatic and their friends/followers. We aren’t the only people who’ve had, shall I say “people of dissenting opinions”? Spend time, gasoline, stamps, and other resourrces (in one far more disturbing case, ammo) to express their anger at someone’s opnion. As the Trib will not publish letters that are obviously “hate speech” or use racist, sexist, or other forms of abuse, I’m prety sure my suggestion that anyone or any group with “extra money” to donate for a cause start by looking at UTAH’s needs first wasn’t some semicoherent anti-LDS rant.
Yet my inablity to save a lot of time and money on a new front window, replacing rosebushes, fruit trees, and re-seeding the lawn from someone doing donuts on it in a maroon mini van simply because anyone can call the local papers and find out who submitted the “Name Withheld by Request” letter that’s stirred their ire.
I believe Denmark’s proposal could lead to anything from random digruntled maniacs like we had, to someone finding a former lover and killing them for leaving, to the worst-case-scenario of political dissenters suddenly either disappearing or having fatal accidnts. The press could be severely curailed in their reportage of any facts that don’t “toe the company line” that they’re being allowed to report…
For some reason I cannot find, my mind keeps flashing bsck to a horrific event caught on a cell phone and sent out of Iran, quick before all outside internet and cellular communications were shut off by a government grown too powerful via measures slowly taken that eventually landed the people under the rule of a megalomaniac and his “religious leader” friend.
She was a music student, participating in a peaceful protest against her country’s rigged election. Her name was Neda Agha-Soltan, and the surprised look on her face as she died is haunting. I don’t want to see Denmark’s citizens allow themselves to be pursuaded by fear that they end up living out a similar nightmare.
A chilling reminder of how even the smallest things, lost for whatever reason, can come back and bite you in the ass.

Q?r Tharkasd?ttir (profile) says:

Re: Denmark's pols seem to be losing their collective minds.

And: Denmark’s citizens allow this to happen to them, not so much out of of fear than because the vast majority of them don’t give a fuck, just as they can’t be bothered when their elected representatives, ranging from extreme right to extreme left, overwhelmingly support enacting an anti-emigrant (read: anti-Muslim) agenda. In many respects, today’s Denmark embodies a model of the future “they” want for the rest of the world.

Q?r Tharkasd?ttir (profile) says:

Whose propaganda is the best

“unless you take the iranian authorities word at face value…”

No, I don’t, but IMO, Western media and politicians and their propaganda rate much, much lower on a scale of trustworthiness. I can’t do the research for you, but here are some places to start from:

(deconstruction, note that it’s in Italian)




as well as: http://www.voltairenet.org/The-CIA-and-the-Iranian-experiment

I have reason to suspect, and the Western media’s targeted hype will not lead me to believe anything different, that the episode hardly distinguishes itself from the incubator babies murdered in Kuwait, Amina Abdallah aka. Tom MacMaster, the preposterous stories currently propagated about Libya and Syria, or even those statements by Iran’s president that (according to those who understand farsi) were falsely translated by Reuters but have never stopped circulating ever since. To name just a few.

But, if I may repeat myself, I don’t think this is the proper venue to discuss the Neda episode.

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