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Prostitutes Have Just Moved From Craigslist To Facebook

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When Craigslist -- under a peer pressure campaign from grandstanding state attorneys general and some misguided activists groups -- shut down its adult services section, it wasn't difficult to predict that this would do little to nothing to actually slow down or prevent prostitution. Instead, it would just drive those activities to other sites, and those sites might not work quite as closely with law enforcement as Craigslist did. In fact, we noted that Craigslist was a very useful tool for law enforcement to actually track down and crack prostitution rings.

Anyway, as expected, it appears that the activity hasn't gone away, it's just moved elsewhere. News.com highlights how it appears that Facebook has become the site of choice for prostitutes, picking up on a small bit of some new research on prostitution by Sudhir Venkatesh. The report suggested that Facebook had already been growing as a tool for prostitutes, but the exodus from Craigslist may have just sped that whole process up a bit.


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    Dark Helmet (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 9:52am

    YES!

    This is going to make Failbook sooooooo much better....

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 10:04am

    The question won't be if they are on facebook (prostitutes are people as well) but rather how facebook will handle their solicitations.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 10:10am

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    Well, first, AGs will whine with no legal basis until Facebook creates a special adult section. Then the AGs will whine with no legal basis until Facebook charges a premium to get access to the adult section. Then the AGs will whine with no legal basis because Facebook is making money off of prostitution!

    The adult section will be shut down, the prostitutes will move somewhere else (maybe Twitter is next?), the AGs will get reelected because the electorate is ignorant, and we'll repeat the whole process over again.

     

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    Kevin (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 10:16am

    Not to offend

    All this did was move the "professional" to facebook. Your run of the mill tramp has been available for free on facebook for since it was created.

     

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    Scott Crawford (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 10:21am

    Or...

    ...we could just legalize, regulate and tax prostitution like sensible people would, but in the long run, that would give women way too much control over what they do with their bodies, so that'd never fly.

     

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    Jay (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 10:24am

    Re: Or...

    Didn't Ontario Canada have this exact issue come up about 6 months ago?

     

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    John Doe, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 10:24am

    This will make i tharder to fight

    On Craigslist, law enforcement just had to monitor the adult services section in their area to keep tabs on what was going on. Facebook is completely decentralized so it is going to make their job harder.

     

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    Joe Ew, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 10:24am

    Ew

    That puts a whole new spin on "1 million friends", doesn't it?

    *Joe Ew Likes This!*

     

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    Joe Ew, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 10:27am

    Tinfoil hat FIRMLY on

    Considering that Facebook is far more interested in tracking its users, and so is lousy with information about them, wouldn't this make catching Johns and the Pros easier?
    Maybe this is what Law Enforcement had in mind all along!

     

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    Nobody, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 10:39am

    Good Luck

    I really love how optimistic politicians and the AG's are.

    I mean, come on, do you really think you can get rid of something that has been around longer than any religion you may be a part of?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 10:44am

    Oh no! Next they will move back to street corners where the police can't see them at all!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 10:47am

    Do we have any of their Facebook profiles for um...research purposes?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 10:48am

    I bet you see a bunch of older guys on facebook now.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 10:50am

    Re: Ew

    It also enhances the meaning of poke.

     

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    Kevin (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 10:53am

    hmmm.

    How long before they turn it into one of the flash based games where I can pay using facebook credits for upgrades and bonuses? Paypal? Direct Billing?

     

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    Eugene (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 10:58am

    Re: This will make i tharder to fight

    Well, honestly we won't know if this will make their job harder or easier. What we DO know is that these zero tolerance policies are going to make it impossible for law enforcement to figure that out either. The second they get a sense of how to handle Facebook-related prostitution, it's going to get grandstanded off the site. Which puts law enforcement right back at square one. That's the real problem.

     

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    Junior, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 10:59am

    prostitutes should b tax help pay our taxes not just fines

     

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    average_joe (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 11:01am

    When Craigslist -- under a peer pressure campaign from grandstanding state attorneys general and some misguided activists groups -- shut down its adult services section, it wasn't difficult to predict that this would do little to nothing to actually slow down or prevent prostitution.

    How do you know for a fact that shutting down the section on Craigslist did "little to nothing to actually slow down or prevent prostitution"? What evidence do you have to support this claim?

    I'm going to have to say it, Mike: It's faith-based FUD.

     

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    Jay (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 11:10am

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    Average...

    Did you even READ any of the back articles describing craigslist problems and their solutions? Do you read the articles or just come here to say it's FUD?

    Seriously, your entire scare/FUD campaign is getting old.

     

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    Liz, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 11:11am

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    I guess it's possible to solicit someone with just 140 characters.

     

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    John Doe, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 11:14am

    Re: Re: This will make i tharder to fight

    I think the real problem is, they want it to go back underground. You know, out of sight, out of mind. If it is on public websites, they have to acknowledge it and do something about it. So they aren't really worried about prostitution so much as they are worried they will have to do their job. It is much easier and more profitable to be out giving traffic tickets than stopping actual crime.

     

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    Jay (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 11:15am

    Re:

    And just because you seem to want to be rather belligerant until a link is right in front of you:

    Craigslist Shuts Down Adult Services; Says It's Being Censored - and in the article, near the bottom:

    Salon.com - sex ads linger on Craigslist

    Your Post-Craigslist Guide to Buying Sex Online

    It's NOT FUD. It's actual fact based knowledge that you constantly ignore to pile up the rhetoric. Stop doing that!

     

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    Ron Rezendes (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 11:19am

    AJ is the true FUD...

    C'mon Joe - if there were a single shred of evidence (even doctored evidence)anywhere in the USA, then every damn Congressman, local AG, and sheriff who lynch mobbed Craigslist would be on Faux News and CNN showcasing what a great job they did in cracking down on prostitution. Of course, they'll expect to be re-elected for their efforts.

    It didn't happen, so there is no evidence!

    Tell you what Joe, why don't you go out into space and prove to me there isn't a vacuum out there and take your eff'd up FUD with you!

     

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    Eugene (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 11:21am

    Re: Re: Re: This will make i tharder to fight

    Stats over solutions.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 11:22am

    The problem is that law enforcement is too lazy and stupid to catch real criminals (they're too busy catching people who speed) that they want to always take the easy way out to stop it. Unfortunately, it only leads to restricting everyone else, invading our privacy, and it never works.

     

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    Brian Schroth (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 11:22am

    Re: Re: Re: This will make i tharder to fight

    Ah yes, two people consensually doing something totally natural that harms no one is "real crime".

     

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    John Doe, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 11:29am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: This will make i tharder to fight

    Technically, yes it is a crime. I made no argument about whether it should or should not be a crime.

     

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    average_joe (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 11:40am

    Re: Re:

    Which of those articles prove that shutting down Craigslist did "little to nothing to actually slow down or prevent prostitution"?

     

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    Pickle Monger (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 11:40am

    Uhmmm...


    [...]it appears that Facebook has become the site of choice for prostitutes,[...]


    Could someone please e-mail me some names in my area? LOL

     

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    average_joe (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 11:41am

    Re: AJ is the true FUD...

    Stating something as a fact with no evidence to back it up is "faith-based." Misrepresenting things to garner a negative opinion of something is "FUD." If there is in fact no evidence, then Mike indeed proffered "faith-based FUD." You're only proving my point.

     

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    Shadojak (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 11:45am

    Prostitution......

    God, as he said, legalize it so it can be taxed.

    THEN you will see some interesting things, lol.

    Like SCHOOLS for prostitutes, Sliding scale costs, Requirements for health checks every 6 months, Licenses.....

    The list goes on.... and nowhere in it do i see any reason NOT to legalize it, lol.

    Heck even the insurance companies would be involved, selling policies to hookers, lol

    As far as I can see, would be a nice addition to the economy :)

    But, as some church-based geek would say, what do i know?

    my thought is, if they offend your church.....DON'T PATRONIZE THEM!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 11:46am

    Re: Tinfoil hat FIRMLY on

    Facebook still gives users the options for setting up privacy screens. This is not easier for law enforcement to deal with, but much harder, since craigslist offers no such privacy options. Anyone can see a CL add, but only a friended person would be able to see private solicitations.

     

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    Jay (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 11:48am

    Re: Re: Re:

    *sigh*

    The last two, where it shows that the prostitutes merely moved elsewhere...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 11:52am

    Re: Prostitution......

    Legalizing prostitution will not stop illegal prostitution. Just look at gun laws for your example... people not allowed to buy or own a guy legally still get them illegally on the street. Gun laws do very little to stop criminals from obtaining guns, and every street cop knows this very well. It seems only the people too far away from the reality of the situation (politicians, average citizens) think otherwise.

    Illegal prostitutes would remain, and not only that, but a whole new industry of faked legal prostitution licenses and circumvented tests would exist.

    It is simply not a solution to a real problem.

     

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    Shadojak (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 11:57am

    Yo, AC...learn to READ

    I didn't say would be no illegal prostitution.... I said would be a large addition to the economy/taxbase.

    And, if you are stupid enough to utilize an illegal prostitute, you get what you paid for :)

    We DO still have laws against illegal prostitution, lol. And if we didn't, guaranteed, they would be in place at the same time that they legalized it.

     

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    average_joe (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 12:09pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    *sigh*

    The last two, where it shows that the prostitutes merely moved elsewhere...


    Some prostitution may have moved elsewhere, but that doesn't mean that overall prostitution wasn't slowed down or otherwise prevented.

    And for future reference, Gawker, where "today's gossip is tomorrow's news," is not generally cited as "proof" of anything. Nor is salon.com for that matter.

     

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    Joe Ew, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 12:30pm

    Re: Re: Tinfoil hat FIRMLY on

    I guess it would also depend on how zealously Facebook will defend the information they have gathered so far for a user behind the screens from LE. Screens or no, I'd imagine they'd have a lot of info on their hands.

     

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    Rekrul, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 12:35pm

    Re:

    How do you know for a fact that shutting down the section on Craigslist did "little to nothing to actually slow down or prevent prostitution"? What evidence do you have to support this claim?

    What evidence do you have to support that it DID slow down or prevent prostitution?

     

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    Ron Rezendes (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 12:40pm

    Slavery is legal/popular again?

    "... people not allowed to buy or own a guy legally still get them illegally on the street."

    AZ where "...buying a guy..." is done in the Home Depot parking lot. However the state government who passed laws to deter this activity (because the Federal gov't is ineffective in enforcing it's own laws covering this same behavior) has come under fire as racist and bigots.

    Sorry the typo was easy money and humorous.

     

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    Jared (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 12:43pm

    Shut Down Red Light District

    Why aren't these same attorneys shutting down the roads and intersections where IRL solicitation occurs? Sure, these roads also get legitimate, legal traffic, but so did the adult section of Craiglist.

     

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    Jared (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 12:43pm

    Shut Down Red Light District

    Why aren't these same attorneys shutting down the roads and intersections where IRL solicitation occurs? Sure, these roads also get legitimate, legal traffic, but so did the adult section of Craiglist.

     

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    Rekrul, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 12:45pm

    Re: Re: Prostitution......

    Legalizing prostitution will not stop illegal prostitution. Just look at gun laws for your example...

    Legalizing it wouldn't completely eliminate illegal prostitution, but it would reduce it to the point where it's no longer a major problem. Just look at liquor laws for your example...

    When the US government instituted prohibition and outlawed the sale of alcohol, an entire underground system sprang up around the illegal manufacture, distribution and sale of alcohol. Eventually, the politicians realized that it was a losing battle and repealed the law. How much of a problem is illegal liquor today?

    I'm sure that some crime is associated with illegal liquor, but when was the last time you read a news story about a politician calling for a crackdown on it? Or a report of the police busting a major illegal liquor ring? The fact is that by legalizing it (again), they basically destroyed the illegal market for alcohol such that it's no longer a major problem.

     

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    average_joe (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 12:51pm

    Re: Re:

    What evidence do you have to support that it DID slow down or prevent prostitution?

    None. But keep in mind, I'm not the one making a claim either way.

     

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    Jeff Rife, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 1:06pm

    Re: Re: Prostitution......

    You are looking at the issue backwards. This not about attempting to prevent access, but rather granting access to a previously illegal good.

    Legalizing prostitution would result in it being like alcohol or tobacco sales. Both still have some people that do things to avoid the laws (taxes, who you can sell to, etc.), but this is the very small minority.

    On the other hand, laws that attempt to completely prevent access to desirable goods result in what you say about gun laws, with alcohol prohibition, drug laws, and even DRM in the same category...all are completely ineffective at preventing access to the "protected" good.

     

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    Kris B, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 1:11pm

    RE 140 Characters

    ..or you could use one digit :)

     

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    Jay (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 1:33pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    I'm merely showing the articles. I bet if you also looked at Vhenkar's evidence as well, it would show that prostitution has become quite complex.

    The reason I'm more inclined to believe his research is because this is the man that hung out with a crack den for 5 years to see their affect on a community.

    You absolutely ignored the graph on the Wired article that shows that it isn't going away.

    Basically, average, there's more evidence that the Craigslist option hasn't affected a prostitute's (or escort's) chances at the world's oldest profession.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 2:38pm

    Re: hmmm.

    I would so play "Hookerville"...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 2:42pm

    Re:

    I don't know about him but here is how do I know it was all smoke and mirrors.

    Google search for "Los Angeles scorts" equals about 3,890,000 results (0.23 seconds)

    They even use Google maps to show you where they operate and go.

     

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    anothermike, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 3:07pm

    Re: Not to offend

    I thought LinkedIn was the social network for professionals.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 3:12pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Google search for scorts reviews about 1,590,000 results (0.15 seconds)

    WTF!

    Not to mention the scandals involving ex-AG's.

    Eliot Spitzer prostitution scandal

    Now a WTF!

    Google search for "American prostitutes scandals" equals about 1,680,000 results (0.22 seconds)

    Prostitution is so pervasive that not even Sarah Pallin is getting it out of the shit storm (Sarah Palin husband paid for sex according Shailey Tripp)

     

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    anothermike, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 3:18pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Yes, you are. You're questioning the existing claim without evidence to support an alternate view. Lern2scientificmethod, n00b. You can't present an different hypothesis without evidence to back it up. And all the evidence indicates that the delta, the change in prostitution, is a non-negative number.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 3:22pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Good point after millenia there are still hookers everywhere including in very very hazardous places for that profession like Iran or Pakistan LoL

     

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    anothermike, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 3:32pm

    Re:

    In this case, the easy way out is the tools Craigslist built into their service to assist law enforcement in stopping crime.
    Those misguided AGs grandstanding against Craigslist shot their own cops in the foot. They have hobbled law enforcement efforts forever. Just like in the recording industry, when new players tried to work with the industry giants to offer their catalogs on new distribution channels, only to be sued into bypassing the old media, new commercial sites won't work with the cops to avoid being identified to these rampaging AGs.

     

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    Eugene (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 3:45pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: This will make i tharder to fight

    Well, the immoral part is actually in the way the business is set up structurally, rather than the act itself. But god forbid we actually go after pimps. *They* aren't defiling anyone :p

     

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    Ron Rezendes (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 3:46pm

    Re: Re: AJ is the true FUD...

    I still maintain my position that if ANY good or reduced level of the aforementioned criminal activity actually DID occur, those poor misguided souls who led the witch hunt would be offering up some sort of evidence of their good deed. People who are elected to office thrive on these things and there is no way this one would have slipped through the cracks. Show me Joe - show me where shutting down the CL adult section ever helped even a little.

    My proof that it didn't is I personally see the same month to month crime statistics in my city and surrounding areas and this crime has not declined. Since a single source is not the best proof (for me anyway) I also witness first hand, the same amount of "traffic" in certain parts of San Diego as a I did only a year or two ago.

    I understand how easy it is to be the contrarian without a viewpoint of your own, or to even have the willingness to have your own opinion but really it does get rather old hearing someone claim there is no proof of anything simply because they wish to not believe anyone else whether it be MM or folks like myself who pass along their actual first hand knowledge. If you won't believe others then you need to go find your own proof and get away from the keyboard for a change!

    Often times you simply comes across as a child with their fingers in their ears yelling "I can't hear you! I can't hear you!".

     

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    (A), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 3:48pm

    Re: Re: Prostitution......

    "Legalizing prostitution will not stop illegal prostitution". No, but anarchy would. You can't break the law if there's no law to break. As long as we have government, we will never have true freedom.

     

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    Hephaestus (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 4:03pm

    Re: YES!

    I am going to suggest anyone dating a hooker with 10,000 friends use a condom.

     

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    Hephaestus (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 4:04pm

    Re:

    "but rather how facebook will handle their solicitations."

    By running ads for them of course ...

     

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    Suzanne Lainson (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 4:34pm

    The beginning of the end of Facebook

    Spam took over email.

    Then the hookers moved into MySpace. An endless stream of women wanting to be friends on MySpace. The noise level got so high that many people moved on.

    I've started seeing the pattern on Facebook. One of the techniques is for someone to tag one of your friends on Facebook. That puts their "Come see my photos" message into your news stream even though you're not friends with the hookers yourself. I've been marking those as spam as I see them, but the fact that they are even turning up at all suggests the same patten that screwed email and MySpace will happen with Facebook, too. Once it becomes too trashy, the "cool" kids will move on to something else and eventually everyone else will follow.

     

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    Anthony Askew, Feb 9th, 2011 @ 4:51pm

    I was going out of my way to avoid getting a facebook as well

     

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    btrussell (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 7:51pm

    Re: Re: Or...

    Yes.

    But it is okay to do so in newspapers, yellow pages, etc...

     

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    btrussell (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 7:55pm

    Re:

    They are.
    They can also write off work related expenses, fishnet stockings for example.

     

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    btrussell (profile), Feb 9th, 2011 @ 8:04pm

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    Just give me face, book someone else Dano.

     

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    Not an electronic Rodent, Feb 10th, 2011 @ 1:33am

    Re:

    I'm going to have to say it, Mike: It's faith-based FUD.
    Or possibly common wisdom since prostitution has been around for thousands of years and not a lot has ever slowed it down in any significant manner. Plus a very short trawl of the internet suggests that such services are available in many many many many other places so pure logic suggests that any single site is unlikely to have any effect. In central London for example you can't walk into a phone box without seeing 40 cards offering such services (despite putting up the cards being illegal), and such services are advertised in local papers (which is legal, sort of).
    So I'd say the onus is on
    you to come up with proof that it did have an effect.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 10th, 2011 @ 5:48am

    Re: Re: Re:

    The intention wasn't to "slow down" prostitution, so whether it did or not is irrelevant. Why so obsessed with some side-issue, or more precisely, the semantics of the side issue.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 10th, 2011 @ 5:57am

    Re: Re: AJ is the true FUD...

    Pity you don't pick up your lying, shillboy friend TAM on the same issues, with the same frequency, and same pretend outrage, that you do with Mike. Funny that.

    A complete and total hypocrite. You've lost all integrity. And, no, that's not faith-based.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 10th, 2011 @ 6:15am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Actually, you might want to consider some of what goes on with something like CL escort ads:

    CL made it very easy for girls to casually work in that business. Buy a disposable phone, take a couple of mirror pics that don't show your face, put an ad on CL, and make a little fast money on your back. If you go looking on escort boards and stuff, you would have seen that CL was valued for it's "gems", girls who would appear for a day or two and disappear, usually students, house wives, and the like trying to make some extra cash the old fashioned way. CL makes it easy because it is the ultimate in fast communication, no commitment, no nothing. If you get up today and your husband is away on a business trip, heck, fire up CL and make a few hundred while he is gone.

    In the end, that is the real risk on a site like CL (or backpages now): It makes it to easy to work illegally in a casual manner, making it too easy, too simple, and too normal.

    Is prostitution itself going away? Nope. World's oldest profession isn't going to just disappear. The key question would be "who is buying, and who is selling". If the client base changes because there are no CL ads, or the girls working change because there are no CL ads, then there has been a change and a difference.

    The reason I'm more inclined to believe his research is because this is the man that hung out with a crack den for 5 years to see their affect on a community.

    Your mistake is assuming that crack-hoes are the entire market. Crack addled people will do whatever to get crack, CL or no CL. But they are only a subset of all working girls, and it is very hard to take that experience and broad brush it onto the rest of that "industry".

     

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    average_joe (profile), Feb 10th, 2011 @ 7:18am

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Yes, you are. You're questioning the existing claim without evidence to support an alternate view. Lern2scientificmethod, n00b. You can't present an different hypothesis without evidence to back it up. And all the evidence indicates that the delta, the change in prostitution, is a non-negative number.

    I am being scientific. Mike claimed that shutting down Craigslist did "little to nothing to actually slow down or prevent prostitution," yet he offered no evidence to support that claim. I don't believe there is any such evidence, so I'm not surprised he didn't offer any. I think he's so desperate to say how dumb it is that he's just making stuff up, so I called him out on it. I'm not presenting "an different hypothesis." I'm pointing out the lack of basis for someone else's hypothesis. Why don't you learn how to use reason, and then get back to me.

     

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    average_joe (profile), Feb 10th, 2011 @ 7:19am

    Re: Re:

    So I'd say the onus is on you to come up with proof that it did have an effect.

    There is no onus on me, as I've made no claim about prostitution either way. I only pointed out that Mike's claim was baseless as he presented it.

     

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    average_joe (profile), Feb 10th, 2011 @ 7:21am

    Re: Re: Re: AJ is the true FUD...

    LOL! Are you trying to be funny?

     

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    average_joe (profile), Feb 10th, 2011 @ 7:22am

    Re: Re: Re: AJ is the true FUD...

    Show me Joe - show me where shutting down the CL adult section ever helped even a little.

    Why should I do that? I made no claim either way. I simply called out the person who did make a claim, a claim that appears to be totally made up.

     

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    average_joe (profile), Feb 10th, 2011 @ 7:26am

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    What is the source of your claim that "the intention wasn't to 'slow down' prostitution"? Whether or not it did is relevant to whether or not Mike's claim was based in reality. I think he just made it up, so that's why I pointed it out. It's interesting because he makes a living nitpicking every last detail of his opponents' statements, but he himself just makes up stuff when it suits him.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Feb 10th, 2011 @ 7:29am

    Re:

    That argument is always a laugh - you make it sound like police don't know where there are hookers. OMG! If the customers can find the girls, the police can too. They don't need CL to point them out.

    You also have to understand that in order to make a case, the police need to have the girl actually solicit them. That would mean calling the girls, finding out a location, going to some random place (with a wire on) setting up an operation, and sending the guy in and hoping the girl solicits him.

    Sorry, but CL wouldn't help much.

    It isn't such a black and white world. The idea of pushing the ads off of CL (and other online properties) is to make is harder for casual clients to find WGs. You don't want to make it easy, you don't want to make it simple. They want the ads to be generic in nature and easily controlled (like yellow pages), in a manner that discourages transient sex workers, part timers, and the like. They want to make it harder for clients to find girls, and for girls to find clients.

    Catching criminals isn't the only job of law enforcement, it is also crime control and abatement. It's about keeping crime underground rather than in public. It's about making the criminal life less desirable to be part of, and less desirable to deal with.

    It is incredibly short sighted to say "but CL could have helped". There is already way more help than the police can work from. Whatever help CL would add is incredibly outweighed by it's harm.

     

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    btrussell (profile), Feb 10th, 2011 @ 8:04am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Well, they recently shut it down in Toronto, even though prostitution isn't illegal, now look what is happening:
    http://www.seroundtable.com/google-maps-escorts-12929.html

    Apparently it is still okay to advertise in newspapers and phone books though.

     

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    G Thompson (profile), Feb 10th, 2011 @ 6:34pm

    Re: YES!

    You sure they were not talking about Attention Whores instead? Since then umm Facebook would be the place!

    Muwahahahahaha

     

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    nasch (profile), Feb 13th, 2011 @ 6:36pm

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    Did you know "FUD" doesn't mean "something I disagree with"?

     

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    nasch (profile), Feb 13th, 2011 @ 6:38pm

    Re: Re:

    The idea of pushing the ads off of CL (and other online properties) is to make is harder for casual clients to find WGs.

    And how's that going?

     

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    sexy blonde, Apr 30th, 2011 @ 9:16am

    Re:

    just to let you know pro's DO pay taxes. It's a business like any other .Great job in fact bringing pleasure to others

     

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    sexy blonde, Apr 30th, 2011 @ 9:23am

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    Actually law enforsement enjoy busting pros it's fun for them get to see naked womenPlus it always happens around the holidays so they don't have to worry about getting shot

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 6th, 2011 @ 7:45pm

    Re: Prostitution......

    this might be the biggest problem.and as a result,it would create an opportunity for other nations to view and involve in such activity if only they tend to chat with the prostitutes and seek information ...its becoming legalized for the world to see....task it out now................

     

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    MartinidaGreat, Jul 27th, 2011 @ 12:59pm

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    Prostitution is already legal in the UK, it's just frowned upon like it has been for hundreds of years.

     

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    depak, Jan 12th, 2012 @ 4:19am

    thanks tech dirt

    Now I know where to score some hos

     

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    R. Howell, Feb 25th, 2012 @ 11:54pm

    Phyllis the Prostitutue

    Shuts...I know of a prostitute who was on Craiglist and now she's back on the street broad day-light. Her name is Phyllis for those of you in Baltimore what a descent ------- All you have to do is go to the Main library on Cathedral St near Franklin ask about anyone who is standing around (the junkies) and they can tell you basically what time she usually shows up. Her drug of choice is crack. So she charges about $10.00 or just give her a rock and she'll be fine. Blk/Female around 40ish wears a ponytail most of the time, light skin complexion.

     

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    Kitty, May 23rd, 2012 @ 6:22am

    Facebook Prostitutes

    A guy I had been dating added one of these Facebook prostitutes after we had moved things on to the next stage. I deleted him and had nothing more to do with him.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 25th, 2012 @ 11:17am

    Re: Uhmmm...

    ya send some names my way to lol

     

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    John batty, Nov 7th, 2012 @ 9:20am

    Re: Prostitutes

    I have just joined twitter. The first two followers i get are prostitutes askin would i like to be a bit of a friend. Or a date. My wife would go balmy

    Thank
    You

     

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    veronica Castro, Nov 24th, 2012 @ 7:51pm

    Stop trying to regulate, ban, criminalize and tax every freaking thing in this country! As long as the employment, hookers prostitutes, is voluntary, brothels provide a distinct advantage in securing the safety of the sex workers and should be used the standard model.http://www.hookersprostitutes.com

     

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