Yes, But Will Sergey Brin Take Peter Mandelson Out To Dinner At A Fancy Resort?

from the because-that's-how-this-works dept

A bunch of big name tech companies have come out against Peter Mandelson's Digital Economy Bill. They're most concerned with the clause that gives Mandelson (a guy who resigned elected position in disgrace twice) the ability to flat out change copyright laws on a whim with no real oversight. Amazingly, Mandelson had his staffers try to make the case for this clause:
"The law must keep pace with technology, so that the Government can act if new ways of seriously infringing copyright develop in the future."
And what's wrong with Parliament actually setting those laws? That part isn't explained. Honestly, I'm beginning to wonder if this particular clause is being used to draw away the fire from the "three strikes and we kick you off the internet" clause. With the big tech companies focused on this ridiculous power grab by the Business Secretary, not nearly as much attention is being paid to that "guilty based on accusations" clause. In the meantime, if these tech firms actually want to get anywhere, an open letter might not do the trick, but I hear that a nice dinner with Mandy at a fancy resort can do wonders.


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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 2nd, 2009 @ 6:26pm

    THEM STEALERS ARE DESTROYING OUR BRIBING INDUSTRY!!!

     

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    Beta, Dec 2nd, 2009 @ 7:37pm

    "The arguments of lawyers and engineers..."

    The quote shows a neat attempt to confuse law with engineering. If, tomorrow, someone builds a teleportation machine, it won't be necessary to pass a law specifically forbidding bank robbery by teleportation; the old law against robbery will do just fine. Lawmakers may decide that teleportation causes such social ills it must be banned, but that has nothing to do with robbery laws -- and they should not put the decision in the hands of the bankers.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 2nd, 2009 @ 9:01pm

    Ever the curious one, I ran a search using the term "digital economy bill clause 17", whereupon I received results limited exclusively to articles at the linked sites and other sites repeating the content of the linked sites. Without the clause in front of me it was a fruitless exercise to understand what was the cause of the furor.

    Thus, I had to run yet another search to get away from the blogosphere and generate results that actually discuss the proposed legislation in detail. This necessitated searching for the actual bill, and then reading it. I simply do not see how one can conduct an informed discussion without a factual foundation based upon more than mere second, third, fourth, etc. party hearsay.

     

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    Chargone (profile), Dec 2nd, 2009 @ 9:03pm

    Re: "The arguments of lawyers and engineers..."

    Who, as we all know, would promptly find a way to pin any blame for such a robbery squarely on....

    Their customers.

    Yeah, good job there, bankers.

     

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    Richard, Dec 2nd, 2009 @ 9:43pm

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    Kudos.. I also point to the fact that there is NO LINK to the bill!

     

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    Jake, Dec 3rd, 2009 @ 1:32am

    There may not be a bill to release yet. New Labour's probably still thrashing out some of the details internally; to take a programming analogy, a vote in Parliament is the beta phase and it's currently still in alpha.

    By the way, I am truly in awe at how quickly Mike has learned to loathe Peter Mandelson as much as the Great British public does.

     

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    LawPUNK (profile), Dec 3rd, 2009 @ 2:28am

    Maybe I'm wrong...

    I didn't think that three strikes made it into the Digital Economy Bill.

    I thought there was only a power for Mandy to implement 'technical measures' at a later date if necessary.

     

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    Carl Barron, Dec 3rd, 2009 @ 3:30am

    Mandelson's amendments to Copyright Law could make Britain a rouge State

    Mandelson's amendments to Copyright Law could make Britain a rouge State as amendments to any ‘Copyright Material could seriously jeopardize the Intellectual Rights of the developer. Copyright Protected material is a Global Law which most all counties have to abide by if Britain seeks to alter this then the formula be it music or otherwise is at serious risk.

    Copyright Law is extremely important as it is used to secure the Intellectual Right over such things as New Drugs, New Music, inventive plans as designs, be it a dress a car a house a boat a plane whatever.

    Copyright must be carried out swiftly as Copyright is the fastest system (currently legal) whereas Patent Protection can often take years other than as described here: http://carl-agpcuk.livejournal.com/

    Which is my own ‘Copyright Protected’ formulated system called I.C.C.O., which could replace both, outdated slow Patent Protection and Copyright Laws with added security.

    Signed Carl Barron Chairman of agpcuk

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 3rd, 2009 @ 4:51am

    i know it's not a technical issue, but Mandelson isn't even elected at the moment, he's was appointed.

     

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    Call me Al, Dec 3rd, 2009 @ 5:32am

    Re: Maybe I'm wrong...

    If that is the case then I'll translate for you.

    Labour now: We've taken the 3 strikes section out of the legislation so you can trust us and pass the bill.

    Labour once bill has passed: Yes I know we said trust us about the 3 strikes section but, as you can clearly see, we put in provision to for the Secretary of State to make such changes as he perceives are necessary for the security/economy/rights holders/country/world. Therefore we are entirely within the law to make this change now and ban the internet.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 3rd, 2009 @ 5:50am

    The legislative process is long, slow, and not at all in keeping with internet time. It is an unfortunate problem that the legal system cannot keep up with the crimes online. It has taken years of legal action, re-writing of laws, and various civil cases to even keep piracy in check at it's current levels, without which the software,music, and movie industry would likely already been decimated.

    Legal Whack-a-mole is played so slowly that many internet "entrepreneurs" laugh at the legal implications and operate businesses that fly in the face of the law, but use the delays in the system to profit grandly and to hide their ill gotten gains outside of their home country (ask brokep how this works, maybe in about 20 years he will be willing to talk about it).

     

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    LawPUNK (profile), Dec 3rd, 2009 @ 5:59am

    Re: Re: Maybe I'm wrong...

    I totally agree - the new power is a way of circumventing public backlash on a 3 strikes policy. In fact, in many ways I think this is far worse as it is unclear and gives too much power to one of the UK's most corrupt politicians.

    My point was just that we should be careful when discussing the 'three strikes clause' as it technically doesn't exist.

    I don't want to give Labour the ability to dismiss our arguments based on 'there is no 3 strikes clause'.

     

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    Hephaestus (profile), Dec 3rd, 2009 @ 7:16am

    Re:

     

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    Hephaestus (profile), Dec 3rd, 2009 @ 7:20am

    This is a good thing .....

    The more draconian the laws become the more quickly we will see IP law actually fixed. hopefully going back to pre disney induced IP law.

     

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    Hephaestus (profile), Dec 3rd, 2009 @ 7:23am

    Re: Re:

    17 Power to amend copyright provisions
    In Part 7 of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 (miscellaneous and
    general) after section 302 insert—

     

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    Call me Al, Dec 3rd, 2009 @ 7:39am

    Re:

    You must be new here as what you have just said flys completely in the face of various reports on the content industries. Piracy is apparently rampant and they those industries are producing more content then ever before. Unless you are referring to some kind of inverse decimation...

    Just because the legislative process is slow doesn't mean it should be circumvented. It is slow to ensure that when it is passed it is correct... at least that is the theory. To be slightly flippant, its the equivalent of an individual imprisoning someone because they suspected that person had previously burgled them.

     

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    cc, Dec 3rd, 2009 @ 7:44am

    Geffen is gay, like Mandy. Brin isn't.

    I fear no matter how many meals Brin buys Mandy, he still can't top what he got from Geffen while on a Yacht in the Mediterranean.

     

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    Citizen Dave, Dec 3rd, 2009 @ 10:34am

    Please don't be rude

    Don't call him Mandy, it's disrespectful, please use his full title instead: First Lord of the Treasury, Lord Chief Justice, Commander-in-Chief, Lord High Admiral, Master of the Buckhounds, Groom of the Back Stairs, Archbishop of Titipu, Lord Mayor, both acting and elect, and Lord High Everything Else.

     

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    nasch (profile), Dec 3rd, 2009 @ 12:25pm

    Re:

    It has taken years of legal action, re-writing of laws, and various civil cases to even keep piracy in check at it's current levels, without which the software,music, and movie industry would likely already been decimated.

    Without piracy, the software, music, and movie industries would have already been decimated? Hm, probably overstating it, but interesting position!

    (intentional misinterpretation for humorous and critical purposes, for the sarcasm challenged)

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 3rd, 2009 @ 3:58pm

    Re: Mandelson's amendments to Copyright Law could make Britain a rouge State

    Britain would be a makeup state?

    Rogue man, rogue.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 3rd, 2009 @ 4:00pm

    Re:

    "Wahhh, lobbying politicians to change laws to protect my lazy industry takes too long! We should just be able to change laws in 5 minutes whenever we want!"

    Also, the only thing that "legal action, re-writing of laws, and various civil cases" have done to piracy is make it more popular by handing it mounds of free publicity.

     

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    Jake, Dec 4th, 2009 @ 1:14am

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    Okay, that's crossing the line.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Dec 4th, 2009 @ 6:35am

    Re: Mandelson's amendments to Copyright Law could make Britain a rouge State

    I recognize this style of Spurious Capitalization, Absent Punctuation and run-ons... aren't you Mrs. Minnie Umbadalay, widow of Banker Sir Thomas Umbadalay? I think you sent me an e-mail last week about helping you with some money thing.

     

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