Judge In Pirate Bay Case Appears To Have Ties To The Copyright Lobby

from the ooops dept

Via Martin Thornkvist, we find out that Swedish Public radio has discovered that the judge in The Pirate Bay case apparently has some ties to the copyright lobby (that's a Google translation -- if you know Swedish, the original is here). Apparently, he's a member of a few organizations that work towards strengthening copyright laws, and even holds a board position in one of those organizations. The lawyers representing the entertainment industry also belonged to one of the pro-copyright organizations in which the judge is a member. Experts quoted in the article note that this is highly irregular, and the judge should have recused himself for conflict of interest. The judge, of course, claims that he doesn't believe he was biased at all, but others note that any hint of bias is a problem in such a legal case (let alone such a high profile one).


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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 5:20am

    Anyone thinking this case wasn't fixed is a moron! Ofcourse he didn't take himself out , he was problably paid by the entertainment industry to deliver a guilty verdict regardless of ANYTHING!

    So how I am not surprised, They are all crooks anyway you look at it.

     

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    CleverName, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 5:24am

    Looks like a Duck

    Even the hint of impropriety should be avoided.
    What did these folks think would happen - no one would notice?

     

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    R. Miles, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 5:55am

    Now I wish this case was tried in the U.S.

    Because news like this would upset many who can finally start pointing out the problem with "copyright" and IP protection.

    I see an appeals decision in favor of the 4 found guilty. If the decision isn't reversed due to this news, I truly feel sorry for every person in Sweden who must contend with this "legal" system.

    And for this case to be world wide, I can only hope (appeal win) that lawyers around the world start to re-examine their position on copyright when it comes to the entertainment industry's pursuit of it, especially when going after innocent people.

    More importantly, I wish the damn laws would change to rid any possibility of these types of lawsuits.

    Everyone understands the importance of protecting one's own works, but this is getting out of hand.

    And it doesn't cease to amaze me how artists aren't the ones fighting these battles. Probably because they know better if they're on a quest to become "popular".

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 6:03am

    Shouldn't have the defense lawyers found this out a little earlier?

     

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    Jim Blaich, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 6:10am

    Prosecution has to have known

    This isn't an issue of an appeal. This is an issue of getting a new trial to start over.

    The prosecution knew. They couldn't have missed it. They had more money and knew more about the judge than the defendants and they should have made this information available to them.

    The judge is on the boards of some of these organizations. HE CAN'T BE ANYTHING OTHER THAN BIASED. It's impossible for him to be anything else but biased, even if he wasn't outright paid. He should be bought up on misconduct.

    And can anyone explain why on earth these defendants chose a judge to render the verdict? Why didn't they go for a jury trial?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 6:11am

    Artists

    Maybe going forward we should list the artists as the people sueing rather then the RIAA MPAA.
    If the person is being sued for downloading Beyonce,Jason Mraz,Madonna, and metallica. Then we should post the head lines as these artists are sueing defended X.
    See how the singers like there names directly in the headlines sueing children and people who dont even have computers. I think this would create a huge outcry from the artists to stop this, Just to stop there names from being draged through the mud.

     

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    Tony Wester, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 6:12am

    Pirate Bay

     

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    Overcast, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 6:25am

    Oh - that's not a conflict of interest, is it?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 6:28am

    Re: Artists

    You sir/madam are the wiNnAr

     

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    ulle, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 6:36am

    I must say I do enjoy wearing my pirate bay t-shirt, kind of fun being a 60 year old rebel, oh and Mike, we are still waiting for a Techdirt t-shirt.

     

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    Rob (profile), Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 6:38am

    I'm not sure how Sweden's legal system works, but in the U.S. such a flagrant conflict of interest would surely result in the verdict being thrown out and the defendants getting a new trial -- here's hoping that common sense will prevail.

     

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    Just Another Moron in a Hurry, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 6:40am

    How did the defense's lawyers not know about this? Why didn't they research the judge they had?

     

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    Tgeigs, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 6:42am

    Plutocracy

    plu⋅toc⋅ra⋅cy   /pluˈtɒkrəsi/ [ploo-tok-ruh-see]
    –noun, plural -cies.
    1. the rule or power of wealth or of the wealthy.

    Wealthy judges & wealthy lawyers, belonging to the same Billderberg-ish clique, determining policy for the masses across national borders.

    ...awesome.

     

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    OC, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 6:43am

    Re: Prosecution has to have known

    "And can anyone explain why on earth these defendants chose a judge to render the verdict? Why didn't they go for a jury trial?"

    For the simple reason there are no jury trials in Sweden.

     

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    Tanker, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 6:45am

    Well, Sweden's judicial system is now the official laughing stock of the world for the next 15 min.

    Congrats Judge Copyright!

     

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    Tgeigs, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 6:47am

    Re:

    No, in the US the conspirators just do a better job of hiding, because they know some of us are looking. If you think the bourgeoisie have any less control or are any less corrupt here in America, you're playing into their hands.

     

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    Charles, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 6:51am

    "How did the defense's lawyers not know about this? Why didn't they research the judge they had?"

    Maybe they did know and wanted a good reason for an appeal. I have to say you don't get much better of a reason.

     

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    Jonas, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 6:58am

    @Jim Blaich,

    "And can anyone explain why on earth these defendants chose a judge to render the verdict? Why didn't they go for a jury trial?"

    Because, to the best of my knowledge, a jury trial as it works in the U.S. is not possible in swedish courts. In criminal cases, the jury (even though it's not called that) is appointed not on a case-by-case basis. Instead, they are appointed by the local authorities for a period of time which is, IIRC, 4 years. In other words, an individual is not chosen to sit on jury by a kind of game-of-chance.

    Their duty is to aid the judge in determining both guilt and what sentence the accused will get if found guilty. The key-word here is aid: the judge can ignore the laymen's advice if he so chooses.

    Note: I am not a laywer, but that's how I was once taught it works. My understanding may be wrong, and it may have changed since then even if my understanding of it is right otherwise.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 7:16am

    Irresponsible on the judge's behalf. He should have removed himself. Congrats on your "victory" you morons. It's been completely undermined and made a mockery of.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 7:19am

    Re: Re: Prosecution has to have known

    Oh. Well. I guess that would do it, huh?

     

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    Luís Carvalho, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 7:20am

    In this trial were appointed three layman jurors, and one of them was dismissed by the judge due to "conflict of interest".

    But, the judge didn't consider himself biased, although he fell in the exact same category.

    Read this please

    The legal measures to apply in this case, are still being determined.

    Has far as public opinion goes, in Sweden and the rest of the news reading world, this trial has been tainted and all proceedings should be reiniciated.

    There's some fear of the dangers in the delaying all this will cause, because that will give more time to the consortiums to lobby and force approval of even stricter laws. It is under consideration if it wouldn't be better to leave this trial, biased and unjust, to stand, and annull it later on higher instances, instead.

    I can't stop smiling about this, since I read the news this morning, that's all I know.

     

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    Tor, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 7:22am

    Article on torrentfreak

    TorrentFreak has an good and accurate summary of the news:
    http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-lawyer-is-biased-calls-for-a-retrial-090423/

    I think it should be emphasized that there is no evidence at this point to show that the judge is corrupt in any way. The trouble is that the mere suspicion that his involvement in these associations may influence the verdict is bad. It is also not clear to what extent these associations really promote stronger copyright laws, but this seems to be the case for at least one of them.

    @Rob:
    If the judge is deemed to be biased then there will indeed be a new trial. I'm not very familiar with legal terms in English, but I believe the trial was a jury trial - the verdict was not decided by the judge alone. In fact one member of the initial jury was deemed biased and was replaced since he was a composer and member of Society of Swedish Composers. This makes it even more surprising that the judge didn't inform both parties of his commitments and memberships.

    Btw. it has been reported by those who were there that the "nämndemän" (I suppose this somehow to the jury) almost fell asleep several times during the trial out of boredom (and I can vouch for the prosecutor being really boring having listened to the trial on radio), so I would guess that the judge (who gave a very alert and good impression) had a lot of influence over the verdict.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 7:42am

    Re:

    The key-word here is aid: the judge can ignore the laymen's advice if he so chooses.

    Is this different than US courts? I guess it must be regarding guilty/not-guilty, but doesn't the judge have the ability to raise or lower the penalty if he so chooses?

     

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    Tor, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 8:12am

    The key-word here is aid: the judge can ignore the laymen's advice if he so chooses.

    I believe this is completely wrong. Here's a translated excerpt of the Swedish wikipedia article on "nämndeman" (corresponding but not equal to jury member):
    "The nämndemän are completely equal to the judges - all have their individual say and all take part in all the decisions made by the court. The nämndemän also have the right to register a reservation with their reasons on the verdict. This sets nämndemän apart from the jury members found in many other countries who often only have a say in the guilt question whereas the judge determines the penalty. In Sweden juries are only used in court cases related to free speech laws."

     

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    Tor, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 8:22am

    Comment by the Swedish Judge Association chairman

    Now the chairman of the Swedish Judge Association has commented (in Swedish) on this. He expresses himself quite carefully but I thought this quote was interesting:

    "- I usually think, what if the worst sensationalistic journalist in Sweden founds out about this, can it then mean that an article is written which causes the public to be suspicious. If so, one shouldn't take part in the case."

     

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    bob, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 8:29am

    It should help

    The best time for this to come out is after the verdict.

    Reasoning;

    If this was done before it would have led to the recusal of the present judge and the appointment of on who's biases are not known.
    This aids the appeal.

     

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    Quentin Hartman (profile), Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 9:10am

    Doomed

    This is a perfect example of "creating an image of impropriety". Even if it's true that he sidelined his bias and made an honest and even handed judgment, the whole thing has the appearance of a back room deal. So at this point, at least one of these things is true:

    -This judge is moron, and should no longer be a judge.
    -This judge is corrupt, and should no longer be a judge.

    Personally, I'd say both of them are true.

     

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    The infamous Joe, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 9:29am

    Re:

    Maybe they knew that a guilty verdict would boost the Pirate Party numbers, so they sat on the info until after the verdict and now they have leverage for a re-trial.

    Boosted numbers + Not Guilty = Epic Win.

    ..or maybe not.

     

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    Cheese McBeese, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 9:36am

    The defendants should sue their lawyers for malpractice. LOL.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 9:41am

    T-Shirts Now

    Yeah Mike, get Ulle's shirt ASAP send it PDQ but not COD (LOL).

     

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    Luís Carvalho, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 9:47am

    The tactic used could be:

    Collateral Attack

    I don't know if it was or not, but, it does seems reasonable, and effective.

     

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    TW Burger (profile), Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 9:59am

    Corruption in the Judicial System?

    Judge Tomas Norström appears to be either completely incompetent or completely corrupt. According to Swedish sources:

    Judge Tomas Norström is a member of the Swedish Association of Copyright (SFU) with Henrik Pontén, Peter Danowsky and Monique who represented copyrights holders in Pirate Bay trial.

    Judge Tomas Norström is a member of the board of the Swedish Association for Industrial Property (SFIR) which pushed for stronger copyrights.

    Judge Tomas Norström is employed by Foundation, SE. Here a colleague is Monique Wadsted who represents the American film companies in the Pirate Bay trial.

    "But I have not felt that I am biased because of those commitments." says Tomas Norström, Judge of the Pirate Bay case.

    I say three strikes and you're out.

     

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    TheZorch, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 10:07am

    This does constitute a Conflict of Interest and unless the entire the Swedish legal system has become corrupted by the Entertainment Industry its a far gone conclusion that in appeal the four Pirate Bay guys will have their convictions reverse and the judge from the first case will be investigated and face being disbarred. If true, this will be a huge setback for the entertainment industry and proof which everyone can see that they can't be trusted. They called what the Pirate Bay did was illegal, yet they go and do something like this. What this trial was, in the US, we call a "Show Trail".

     

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    Luís Carvalho, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 10:33am

    This makes me wonder...

    Yesterday, the EU Counsel approved a directive that among other things state that ISP's can only cut the access to copyright infringers after being found guilty in the judicial system.

    But, now, I wonder...

    With judges like this, can actualy the judicial system be trusted to make such a decision?

    If not, then WHO?

    If there's one judge, how many more are there? Can we truly, ever be tried fairly, when Big Cartels are behind the scene pushing for our demise, with or without proof?

    Is it even possible to put any case of this kind on trial, without BIAS, after all the dotrinaction that has been going on FOR YEARS now?

    I do wonder now...

     

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    Man from Atlanta, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 10:52am

    Re:

    In the U.S., the basic Code of Judicial Conduct (as I understand it applies to state judges) requires a judge to consider whether there is any cause for even the appearance of bias or impropriety.

     

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    Ben Matthews, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 10:57am

    Confused about the conflict of interest

    I actually don't see a problem with this. The trial wasn't about whether copyright laws are valid or not, it's about whether or not the Pirate Bay broke those laws. Right?

    This judge focused on copyright law, wouldn't it make since for him to be involved in those organizations?

    I think people are mistaking the case to be about whether or not copyright needs reworking. It wasn't, the case was about whether or not the Pirate Bay broke the laws already in place, which I think a judge who is very involved in copyright would be a good choice to preside over. He isn't associated with anyone that would benefit from the Pirate Bay being convicted.

    Again, I don't see this as a conflict of interest.

    I am totally for the idea of the entertainment industry finally realizing they need a new distribution model and rethinking how to monetize that, which a lot of people are focusing on, but I don't think that was what the case was about.

     

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    Tor, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 10:58am

    Yesterday, the EU Counsel approved a directive that among other things state that ISP's can only cut the access to copyright infringers after being found guilty in the judicial system.

    You cannot interpret that as in itself enabling courts to order cut of internet access. In Sweden, as in hopefully many other European countries, there is a political consensus not to cut off access to internet.

    I think the people that claim that this judge is corrupt are way overline. BUT, the mere suspicion is bad for the confidence in the legal system which is why he should have resigned from this case. You often see claims that linking is not against the law in Sweden, but if you study the precedent cases on that you find that the situation is everything but clear. So even with another judge they might very well be found guilty.

     

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    Tor, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 11:09am

    Re: Confused about the conflict of interest

    "He isn't associated with anyone that would benefit from the Pirate Bay being convicted."

    Are you sure? I am not. And even if he weren't there's a problem if the associations of which he is a member on the whole supports changing the laws in a certain direction. The chairman of the Swedish Copyright Association is a professor who has very strongly supported copyright extension for recorded music from 50 years to 95 years and he has written articles in newspapers warning the government not to listen to those who don't want a system where ISPs can be forced to hand over sensitive information linking IP addresses to ISP subscribers to rights holders (he got his way since the Swedish implementation of IPRED1 now looks like this). Now he may not be representative for the whole association, which describes itself as a kind of forum for discussion, but I still think the public view of this organization is that it's populated by more copyright hawks than doves.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 11:10am

    Re: Confused about the conflict of interest

    A scholar or expert in copyright law would be one thing, but an active member of organizations that have a stake in particular copyright laws is another.

    This judge had a conflict of interest, not the appearance of one...plain and simple.

     

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    Mike (profile), Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 11:12am

    Re: Confused about the conflict of interest

    I actually don't see a problem with this. The trial wasn't about whether copyright laws are valid or not, it's about whether or not the Pirate Bay broke those laws. Right?

    I think the point is that a judge who is an advocate of stronger copyright laws (and actively involved in organizations pushing for such things) is much more inclined to view a case like The Pirate Bay's through a different prism than one who is neutral to copyright laws.

     

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    Ben Matthews, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 11:26am

    Re: Re: Confused about the conflict of interest

    A scholar or expert in copyright law would be one thing, but an active member of organizations that have a stake in particular copyright laws is another.

    This case would not effect copyright law is what people have to really get a hold of. This was just determining whether or not they were guilty of laws already in place. He MAY hold opinions we don't like about copyright law, but that doesn't mean he was a bad choice, unfortunately.

    If that were the case, then judges who are members of organizations supporting stricter laws about child abuse, or any other topic, would not be allowed to preside over trials that concern that topic, even though that is their focus and what they are most educated on. If an attorney didn't like their opinion on the matter, it doesn't mean they have a conflict of interest.

     

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    Ben Matthews, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 11:29am

    Re: Re: Confused about the conflict of interest

    I think the point is that a judge who is an advocate of stronger copyright laws (and actively involved in organizations pushing for such things) is much more inclined to view a case like The Pirate Bay's through a different prism than one who is neutral to copyright laws.

    You are absolutely right, that stinks for the Pirate Bay, but it doesn't mean he has a conflict of interest. Lawyers all the time have to deal with the luck of the draw about which judge they get on a certain case.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 11:49am

    Re: Re: Re: Confused about the conflict of interest

    This judge had to decide whether there was enough evidence presented to conclude that the TPB-4 were guilty of breaking existing laws.

    His membership in organizations that have a stake in changing copyright laws in any way or more strict or less strict enforcement/application of those laws is, therefore, a conflict.

    If the judge was a member of the Pirate Party, that would be just as much of a conflict of interest.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 12:05pm

    Re:

    The US court system wins back that title by banning "Dihydrogen monoxide".

    Just remember kids Dihydrogen monoxide kills thousands a year if you run into it stop and tell an adult.

     

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    Mike (profile), Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 12:43pm

    Re: Re: Re: Confused about the conflict of interest

    You are absolutely right, that stinks for the Pirate Bay, but it doesn't mean he has a conflict of interest. Lawyers all the time have to deal with the luck of the draw about which judge they get on a certain case.

    I still don't agree, though I understand your point. The argument is basically that someone who pushes for stricter copyright law is also more inclined to read actions as violating copyright law, even if they don't actually violate the letter of the law.

    I still think it's a clear conflict of interest. His positions show that he believes the position of the entertainment industry concerning copyright and has worked with the prosecutors for the case before in furthering copyright interests. It's hard to see how that's not a conflict of interest.

     

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    batch, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 1:21pm

    Holy crap!

    Theres no post from Weird Harold??? Wheres that douchebag been, haven't had my blood boil in some time...

     

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    The infamous Joe, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 1:23pm

    Re: Holy crap!

    His site hasn't been updated in a while, perhaps he was grounded from the computer? :P

     

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    Lars, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 1:56pm

    Sweden blows

    Thank you Mr Judge Man. You have just made a mockery of the Swedish judicial system and give new meaning to the word biased. I plan on boycotting Ikea, lingonberries and everything else Swedish. Imagine if you had to face a judge in Sweden - is this what to expect, a judge who can't even sees the world through rose-colored glasses? Boycott Sweden.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 2:42pm

    Too funny! Mike, please let us know if you hear about a response from the entertainment industry. I'd love to hear their take on this.

     

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    Jonas, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 2:46pm

    @Tor,

    Actually, I hope I'm wrong.

    "The nämndemän are completely equal to the judges - all have their individual say and all take part in all the decisions made by the court. The nämndemän also have the right to register a reservation with their reasons on the verdict."

    I wouldn't say completely equal. In theory, yes, but in practice I doubt it. Besides, register a reservation is fine but very unlikely to change the verdict in hovrätten (=court of appeals).

     

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    Tgeigs, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 2:58pm

    Re: Sweden blows

    Ok, one personal favor? Leave the Bikini Team alone, cool?

     

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    DTS, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 4:47pm

    Re: Re: Holy crap!

    These days you don't see much of the usuals about sites like Techdirt, Torrentfreak, p2pnet.net, more so after the TPB verdict was handed out. Perhaps they realise that regardless of how you look at it or how it went down, it was a victory for TPB. Even more so now that this has occurred.

     

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    Nathan, Apr 23rd, 2009 @ 7:21pm

    Re: Re:

    I like the alternate name: hydroxyl acid

     

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    Moe Howard, Apr 24th, 2009 @ 1:33am

    verdict also leaked...

    The guilty verdict was also leaked from the courtroom several hours before the verdict was officially read. The TPB guys' lawyer found it out and twittered it well before the official verdict was handed down. This is now being investigated by the Swedish police.

     

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    Tron, Apr 24th, 2009 @ 3:42am

    Judges has a very good knowledge about the Law and the Justice. It is the reason for presiding the trials because they are profesionals. They compite among themselves to reach the highest position in the system. Tomas Norström can not admit that there is a conflict of interest and, at the same time, to serve corporations. If he doesn't do so then his judgement would not be such a good bussines and his fellows clearly would be against him.

    Doesn't he know wich is the integrity level of his fellows?. Yes, he knows it, but I think that his speculation has fallen under a high recklessness about his fellows. They have now to show wich is the moral level of integrity they themselves posses. We are not morons!

    A cloud of close friends -Tomas Norström, Henrik Pontén, Peter Danowsky, Monique Wadsted- have hung in prison to four persons. What do people have to claim against caves of robbers while these are infiltrated not only in houses of parliament but in courts too?. If this is not corruption, what is it then corruption?

    As between both riversides of the Potomac, between the Pirate Bay and the Pirate Party only one stream of clear water can flow, the votes of social integrity.

     

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    LegalEqualsHumanLeeches, Apr 24th, 2009 @ 5:46am

    Dan glickman sucks little boys penis

    Dan glickman sucks little boys penis

     

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    Tgeigs, Apr 24th, 2009 @ 7:08am

    Re:

    I for one would like to encourage more non-Americans to vote. I love how the colloquilisms translate to American English.

    Seriously, not sarcasm.

     

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    Unicorn of Memphis, Apr 24th, 2009 @ 7:33am

    Music and movie industary now needs a case brought against them

    Tampering with a case this big should only be called a federal fellony. CEOs should be put in prison and hit with a bullwhip 1000 times a day for 20 years. I have a fine whip that been retired for sometime, I'd be happy to be the one in the black hood laying it in on those tender , un-tainted backs.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 24th, 2009 @ 12:25pm

    Re: Confused about the conflict of interest

    Well, by that reasoning as long as a judge claims to be "focused" on the "law" (and which judge would ever claim otherwise?), then there is no conflict of interest. Yeah, that's the ticket: there is no such thing as "conflict of interest".

    Busted.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 24th, 2009 @ 12:29pm

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    The US court system wins back that title by banning "Dihydrogen monoxide".

    When did they do that?

     

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    Tron, Apr 25th, 2009 @ 1:06pm

    Please, forget it! The arena is no more wether a conflict of interest or not. This horse has run toward a place very dangerous for our civilization.

    This case is not yet resolved. We The People want to know if the swedish justice and politician system is corrupted, as an advanced column to abort the awakening european conception of the truely new world. We will not be satisfied with TV's and declarations, it's enough with this trial show.

    Citizens of this era are called to apply theirs highest moral values to resolve this class of cases. Every case of the old New World Order has the same pattern: misconception and corruption by paternalist cloaked campaigns.

    Internet is the Agora they want to manage through corporations and lobbies strongly organized around a very close privated interests. Theese people along the old road to the oldest bussines are already managing Parliaments and Courts. Pirate Bay has been chosen as Hiroshima and Nagasaki to conquer the strategical Hill of Internet. A despaired act from morons and baloons.

    Sweeden is nowadays the disguised China Terminator, a very planned exemplary case for all world; what about tomorrow?. Tomorrow we may be again in a new Battle of Gettysburg. We are the disguised whites and the disguised niggers, not the pirates.

    Power to The People! Pirate Party now has much to do.

     

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