Why You Need Backup Systems For Voting: Something Will Go Wrong
from the again-and-again-and-again dept
The e-voting saga continues. One of the problems is that there are so many different ways things can go wrong with e-voting systems, that it's impossible to think of them all beforehand. That's why it's particularly ridiculous when the e-voting firms try to limit the type of testing that can be done on the machines. Yet, it seems like hardly an election goes by where some problems with the machines aren't reported. The latest is in Montgomery County, Maryland, where apparently someone forgot that the various e-voting machines in use require special voting cards. Without them, you can't vote... and many polling places opened up this morning without them. Now, obviously, this is a human error, not a technical one -- but it just highlights how many possible things can go wrong -- and the importance of a ready and available system for backups, no matter what happens when you're dealing with something like an election. The idea that nothing (on either the human or technical side) would go wrong is ridiculous -- but it's a view championed by the e-voting companies who don't like to admit that errors are possible, if not likely. Update: Avi Rubin, who has written about security issues with e-voting machines, and who also has volunteered in the past as an election judge did so again today. He's written up his account, and it lists many, many, many more problems with the e-voting equipment. Not only that, but he notes that the Diebold rep on site in case things went wrong was really just a contractor who had been hired the day before and knew nothing about the machines and was of no help at all. The only positive note in the piece is that many more voters complained about the use of e-voting machines.
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Ah, Montgomery County. by Celes on Sep 12th, 2006 @ 4:13pm
Wow, THAT'S ironic. Montgomery County likes to think it's the best county in Maryland and has the most intelligent people. Oops...
However, they did have paper ballots to use while the cards were in transit (although the poll workers should have been better informed - some turned people away). I'm sure it was hectic, but they did have and make use of a plan B.
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First by E-voting for dummies on Sep 12th, 2006 @ 4:17pm
E-voting.. what a crock.. i think its just that these companies are soo cocky into thinking that nothing will go wrong.
Maybe it will hurt their investors if they admit paossible faults in the system. Bu tif they are privately owned company, then why wouldnt they want their voting machines to be 99% foolproof and backed up
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The problem is.. by Voting on Sep 12th, 2006 @ 4:55pm
Electronic voting systems are far too complex, the more complex you make something, the more opportunities there will be for something to go wrong or to be tampred with. The systems need to be greatly simplified..
India uses a very very simple electronic device.. 380 million people voted on it.. and I do not know if it is foolproof, but it seems to have worked out pretty well
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Who's looking for a solution? by Ted Brown on Sep 12th, 2006 @ 5:00pm
This is obviously a huge issue, so I was wondering if y'all know of companies looking to compete in this arena.
Since you guys seem to hit similar things so often (voting, net neutrality, etc), could you maybe create a resource page for them? Or is that venturing into your paid services?
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Re: The problem is.. by Haywood on Sep 12th, 2006 @ 5:01pm
Anyone who thinks anything is foolproof, hasn't met a really dedicated fool.
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Voting in the digital age by Sean on Sep 12th, 2006 @ 5:11pm
I think people with a stake in the election process take advantage of the fear people have of computers when they develop voting systems. They intentionally try to "black box" the process; meaning that it is not clear what happens in the box.
I would like to see a system that allows me to go online after the election to make sure my choices were recorded correctly.
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On or Off Championed by Sean on Sep 12th, 2006 @ 5:14pm
typo or incorrect word usage...
-but it's a view OFT championed
short for often, obviously
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Re: On or Off Championed by Mike on Sep 12th, 2006 @ 5:19pm
typo or incorrect word usage...
Just a typo. I had changed the sentence at the last minute. Fixed now... Thanks!
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by Anonymous Coward on Sep 12th, 2006 @ 5:33pm
Why is it I have access to my bank over the net, but can't vote over the net ?
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Re: by Mark on Sep 12th, 2006 @ 7:03pm
Because Banks view you as a customer, and are looking to make your banking experience richer, keeping you as a customer.
Government views you as a ?
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Isnt it possible? by Nobody on Sep 12th, 2006 @ 7:18pm
Isnt It possible for these machines to be rigged? I mean there are a million different ways a hacker can interupt/view/change/delete the data on my computer. Let alone a simple "e-voting" machine. Isnt this a little insane? Maybe we should find a new system of media to do this with. I dont want a repeat of mr bush.
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E-Voting by KL on Sep 12th, 2006 @ 9:56pm
No, the real problem here is that for these companies there is no incentive to have systems that work right. Once a county, city or state puts in massive amounts of money to get these machines in they know full well that these same agencies will not throw the money away very easy. Add to this the reality that in the voting screwing up people are getting into office because of it and as such will they really make the change? We have a president that is in that exact position!
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Re: Re: by Sanguine Dream on Sep 13th, 2006 @ 5:59am
I know! I know!
A source of income?
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