to your house... give me the paper in your wallet and your bank account. All of it, just bits of paper, 0s and 1s.
In any case, pretty funny hypocrisy from Mike, the author, considering that to the left of the article he has a copyright notice. If you don't believe in copyright, why do you declare it?
If it wasn't for the fact that Firefly was a pirate's favourite, and people actually paid to watch it, they wouldn't have cancelled Firefly. Blame the pirates.
I say it's time to let Manning go. He did the right thing in the face of overwhelming pressure. The guy has helped expose war crimes. He should be treated as a hero, not a criminal. Furthermore, the people who have committed war crimes should be taking his place and put on trial for their actions.
It thought that it could show the world how great of a military it had by showing up France in Vietnam. We all know how that turned out. We also know that starting with Regan, Bin Laden got his arms and funding from the US government.
I don't think it's the nude photos that bother Lara Stone so much as where they were published. It's too bad that the author didn't do a bit more digging. Looking around myself, it would appear that the agency Icon ought to have borne most of the blame since they did not verify that the buyer was a tasteful publisher. In other words, she doesn't want to be associated with porn. I can understand how she might be upset and how that could have a seriously negative impact on her career.
No reasonable person of even average intellect could possibly support the tool maker in this. Clearly, they were trying to get endorsed by the fictitious character bought and owned by Disney.
My suggestion: Come up with a comic book character first, then animate it, then make a movie of it. Then they can make their tool set in the honour of their character.
I say that artists should not be compensated for their investment or work. Now, back in the days of Picasso, he could walk around his village, go to the restaurant, and eat there for free. Apparently he'd doodle on the table cloth or some other little sketch in payment.
So, I propose that artists should not have to pay rent, for food, for cars, or anything else. That would even the score. People love art and music, but don't want to pay for it. Artists love to eat and live, so maybe they shouldn't have to pay for it.
It used to be my favourite restaurant to go to when my folks would drive south from Courtenay. Last time I went there, though, it felt touristy. I don't know if that's due to changes in the restaurant or just me getting older and grumpier... but yeah, it's been going on like that for at least 28 years.
@mjb... In BC we drive goats into the mountains on cliffs hundreds of meters high. Living on a roof is peanuts for Canadian goats.
You know, in Canada we came really close to having a good prime minister (Paul Martin). He wanted to make the relationship between legislator and political contributor a matter of public record rather than under the table the way it's set now. Anyone care to guess how long he lasted?
In any case, nice to see a move for freedom of speech.
Anonymous Coward - it has to do with theft. She stole. She tried to get away with it. She got caught. She lied. The verdict is hopefully sending a strong message out to folks that they'd better start thinking twice about stealing and distributing.
"I love the pro RIAA people that get on here and say it's for the artists! No it's for the executives of the record labels and the RIAA to get richer then they already are. They are the ones who get money from this. The artists don't see a dime of it hypocrites."
The RIAA doesn't get that money - its lawyers do. The RIAA is standing up for a wrong. One of the consequences of it doing so is that the people who aren't covered by the RIAA will benefit by the sole fact that people will be deterred from pirating and will therefore actually buy the work that they want to listen to.
"Call me crazy, but, what bit of legislation gives MediaSentry the right to invade, without a warrant, the defendan't computer, and then sell, for a profit the listed contents of her shared folder to the RIAA?"
She already made the contents of her folder public. If her computer hadn't been online, she wouldn't have been sharing content and they wouldn't have been able to see what she was doing - in public.
I'm perfectly aware that there are execs that have victimized artists. CCR is the best example I can think of. On the other hand, members of The Beatles and The Stones are billionaires despite the cut which the labels take. I doubt it would be Lord McCartney as he's addressed now if they'd come out in this day with piracy rampant. I doubt he'd be a billionaire. And why shouldn't the ultra elites be billionaires? If Bill Gates with his viruses... I mean Windows... can be a billionaire for his products, then why not a musician? Linus Torvalds gave away his OS, why not force Bill et al to do the same? Why protect any game or any software? People can and do do it for free. If the programmers want to make money, they should teach or something like that and writing programs should just be a hobby. Or how about a business? How about I clone a business like, say, McDonalds, put a restaurant next to theirs, sell Big Macs and the like, without authorization from the corporation? It's not like the owners are still flipping burgers - or ever flipped burgers. Yet they're still making money from it, and will long after the owners of the Beatles' copyrights. Their children and their great great grandchildren will benefit for as long as the families own a part of the franchise.
What is it with you writers? Don't you get the fact that she was illegally sharing music? Don't you get the fact that she stopped buying music when she started pirating music? She deserves jail time alongside everyone else who does this sort of thing.
The RIAA wasn't asking for 1.9 million. They were asking for a few thousand as a deterrent to prevent the behavior. She refused, went to court to fight it and lied - got caught, and now she's on the hook for an amount that she'll never live down. This is called just desserts.
You people just want your music for free, and kick and scream whenever parties whose property you steal try to get retribution. Bravo for RIAA. They're the heroes to every artist who are or are not with them.
I decided to look for child porn on Google. *gasp* why? you might ask. I just wanted to see what Google did with content that was illegal in the USA. On the main search page, I read about people who were being persecuted for it, punished, and the victims of it. When I went to images, and videos, I found more videos and more images of the same. I *could not find any* child pornography.
Surely, if they can do that with child porn to satisfy the American sense of sensibility and law of the land, they could find a way to deal with pornography in general which would satisfy the sensibilities and law of the land that the Chinese government has.
How about that kiddie porn? Some kiddie porn website got in the news, and suddenly the millions of pedophiles around the world discovered PedophileBay, a great new way to look at kids getting used and abused. If that happens, maybe we should look the other way rather than busting down the company that is posting the content. How about slave trading? Maybe SlaveBay should come out and start selling human beings. Don't bother trying to shut it down, because some people might be using it and it's the Internet. Everything should be allowed on the Internet.
They used to hang pirates. These guys have been proudly displaying their black and white flag. It's time to string them up, shut them down, and make it easier for authorities to go after them and shut them down. Trading illegal files, or conducting illegal business online should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law - regardless of whether it's an MP3, kiddie porn, or slave trade site. I don't see what all the fuss has been about with Pirate Bay. Why has it taken so long to do this? That's the problem with this case. If they'd arrested them and thrown them in the locker a bit faster, then the attention they'd have gained would have been short lived. The problem isn't that they've been counterattacked, it's that it's taking too long to bring them down.
Maybe, just maybe if they put this guy in jail for 10 years or so, people might think twice about doing this kind of thing. At the very least, it would have to go underground.
@Paul - you know, you shouldn't come down on someone whose second language is English when they make a spelling mistake. Especially when you make so many simple mistakes of your own. I would think that only someone whose only language is English would act like that.
Oh yeah, some folks here have suggested a link between flipping hamburgers and putting together a CD. I suggest that you try putting together a CD, and then try flipping a hamburger. When you're finished either, let me know and let's see if you still hold the same opinion.
Putting time and money into an album is an investment in time, energy, and money, which might never pay off. A single CD can cost tens of thousands of dollars, not including the time involved for the artists.
I've heard people equate a CD to a business card. Again, it's a ridiculous comparison. It would take me 10-20 minutes to throw together a basic business card. I can then go into any Staples store and have a few thousand of them made for less than $100. Comparing this process to that of creating a CD is equally stupid to that of flipping burgers.
People love entertainment, they just don't like paying for it, so they make excuses as to why it's OK to steal, or that the artists or their investors should lose value from their work because over time it becomes public domain.
Bravo to the people at the RIAA and the EU who are doing everything they can to protect copyrights.
Written like someone with no comprehension of what intellectual property means. Maybe when you buy a house, you'd like that house to revert to public domain after 50 years. It's the same bloody thing. Extend copyrights indefinitely, that's my suggestion. Make it identical to any other property. I think my caveat would be that things such as literature should be protected as per the original document staying in the possession of the given copyright holder, whereas other writers should be allowed to write original works within the context of the story. ie, a story written within Tolkien world, but not the exact story duplicated without royalty payments to whomsoever entity, corporation, or individual that owns it.
Intellectual property is challenging to protect, but it should be protected as vigorously as any physical property.
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Give me the deed
to your house... give me the paper in your wallet and your bank account. All of it, just bits of paper, 0s and 1s.
In any case, pretty funny hypocrisy from Mike, the author, considering that to the left of the article he has a copyright notice. If you don't believe in copyright, why do you declare it?
Politician: I will not tolerate the Patriot Act any longer!
Police: We have surveillance of your little secret. We own you!
Re: beware malware ...
Why don't you install something like Linux on her machine? I'm sure Ubuntu would help keep her virus free.
Re: If only it wasn't for piracy
If it wasn't for the fact that Firefly was a pirate's favourite, and people actually paid to watch it, they wouldn't have cancelled Firefly. Blame the pirates.
Time to let Manning Go
I say it's time to let Manning go. He did the right thing in the face of overwhelming pressure. The guy has helped expose war crimes. He should be treated as a hero, not a criminal. Furthermore, the people who have committed war crimes should be taking his place and put on trial for their actions.
America is a funny country.
It thought that it could show the world how great of a military it had by showing up France in Vietnam. We all know how that turned out. We also know that starting with Regan, Bin Laden got his arms and funding from the US government.
I don't think it's the nude photos that bother Lara Stone so much as where they were published. It's too bad that the author didn't do a bit more digging. Looking around myself, it would appear that the agency Icon ought to have borne most of the blame since they did not verify that the buyer was a tasteful publisher. In other words, she doesn't want to be associated with porn. I can understand how she might be upset and how that could have a seriously negative impact on her career.
The jury will hand the tool makers their asses
No reasonable person of even average intellect could possibly support the tool maker in this. Clearly, they were trying to get endorsed by the fictitious character bought and owned by Disney.
My suggestion: Come up with a comic book character first, then animate it, then make a movie of it. Then they can make their tool set in the honour of their character.
Solution
I say that artists should not be compensated for their investment or work. Now, back in the days of Picasso, he could walk around his village, go to the restaurant, and eat there for free. Apparently he'd doodle on the table cloth or some other little sketch in payment. So, I propose that artists should not have to pay rent, for food, for cars, or anything else. That would even the score. People love art and music, but don't want to pay for it. Artists love to eat and live, so maybe they shouldn't have to pay for it.
Coombs: Been there - loved it as a kid
It used to be my favourite restaurant to go to when my folks would drive south from Courtenay. Last time I went there, though, it felt touristy. I don't know if that's due to changes in the restaurant or just me getting older and grumpier... but yeah, it's been going on like that for at least 28 years.
@mjb... In BC we drive goats into the mountains on cliffs hundreds of meters high. Living on a roof is peanuts for Canadian goats.
You know, in Canada we came really close to having a good prime minister (Paul Martin). He wanted to make the relationship between legislator and political contributor a matter of public record rather than under the table the way it's set now. Anyone care to guess how long he lasted?
In any case, nice to see a move for freedom of speech.
Anonymous Coward - it has to do with theft. She stole. She tried to get away with it. She got caught. She lied. The verdict is hopefully sending a strong message out to folks that they'd better start thinking twice about stealing and distributing.
""She deserves jail time alongside everyone else who does this sort of thing."
You feel that copyright infringement is grounds for loss of personal freedom. Glad you are so reasonable."
If you walk out of a jewelry store with a diamond necklace that you stole, you'll see jail time.
"I love the pro RIAA people that get on here and say it's for the artists! No it's for the executives of the record labels and the RIAA to get richer then they already are. They are the ones who get money from this. The artists don't see a dime of it hypocrites."
The RIAA doesn't get that money - its lawyers do. The RIAA is standing up for a wrong. One of the consequences of it doing so is that the people who aren't covered by the RIAA will benefit by the sole fact that people will be deterred from pirating and will therefore actually buy the work that they want to listen to.
"Call me crazy, but, what bit of legislation gives MediaSentry the right to invade, without a warrant, the defendan't computer, and then sell, for a profit the listed contents of her shared folder to the RIAA?"
She already made the contents of her folder public. If her computer hadn't been online, she wouldn't have been sharing content and they wouldn't have been able to see what she was doing - in public.
I'm perfectly aware that there are execs that have victimized artists. CCR is the best example I can think of. On the other hand, members of The Beatles and The Stones are billionaires despite the cut which the labels take. I doubt it would be Lord McCartney as he's addressed now if they'd come out in this day with piracy rampant. I doubt he'd be a billionaire. And why shouldn't the ultra elites be billionaires? If Bill Gates with his viruses... I mean Windows... can be a billionaire for his products, then why not a musician? Linus Torvalds gave away his OS, why not force Bill et al to do the same? Why protect any game or any software? People can and do do it for free. If the programmers want to make money, they should teach or something like that and writing programs should just be a hobby. Or how about a business? How about I clone a business like, say, McDonalds, put a restaurant next to theirs, sell Big Macs and the like, without authorization from the corporation? It's not like the owners are still flipping burgers - or ever flipped burgers. Yet they're still making money from it, and will long after the owners of the Beatles' copyrights. Their children and their great great grandchildren will benefit for as long as the families own a part of the franchise.
What is it with you writers? Don't you get the fact that she was illegally sharing music? Don't you get the fact that she stopped buying music when she started pirating music? She deserves jail time alongside everyone else who does this sort of thing.
The RIAA wasn't asking for 1.9 million. They were asking for a few thousand as a deterrent to prevent the behavior. She refused, went to court to fight it and lied - got caught, and now she's on the hook for an amount that she'll never live down. This is called just desserts.
You people just want your music for free, and kick and scream whenever parties whose property you steal try to get retribution. Bravo for RIAA. They're the heroes to every artist who are or are not with them.
Child porn sites
I decided to look for child porn on Google. *gasp* why? you might ask. I just wanted to see what Google did with content that was illegal in the USA. On the main search page, I read about people who were being persecuted for it, punished, and the victims of it. When I went to images, and videos, I found more videos and more images of the same. I *could not find any* child pornography.
Surely, if they can do that with child porn to satisfy the American sense of sensibility and law of the land, they could find a way to deal with pornography in general which would satisfy the sensibilities and law of the land that the Chinese government has.
How about that kiddie porn? Some kiddie porn website got in the news, and suddenly the millions of pedophiles around the world discovered PedophileBay, a great new way to look at kids getting used and abused. If that happens, maybe we should look the other way rather than busting down the company that is posting the content. How about slave trading? Maybe SlaveBay should come out and start selling human beings. Don't bother trying to shut it down, because some people might be using it and it's the Internet. Everything should be allowed on the Internet.
They used to hang pirates. These guys have been proudly displaying their black and white flag. It's time to string them up, shut them down, and make it easier for authorities to go after them and shut them down. Trading illegal files, or conducting illegal business online should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law - regardless of whether it's an MP3, kiddie porn, or slave trade site. I don't see what all the fuss has been about with Pirate Bay. Why has it taken so long to do this? That's the problem with this case. If they'd arrested them and thrown them in the locker a bit faster, then the attention they'd have gained would have been short lived. The problem isn't that they've been counterattacked, it's that it's taking too long to bring them down.
Maybe, just maybe if they put this guy in jail for 10 years or so, people might think twice about doing this kind of thing. At the very least, it would have to go underground.
@Paul - you know, you shouldn't come down on someone whose second language is English when they make a spelling mistake. Especially when you make so many simple mistakes of your own. I would think that only someone whose only language is English would act like that.
Oh yeah, some folks here have suggested a link between flipping hamburgers and putting together a CD. I suggest that you try putting together a CD, and then try flipping a hamburger. When you're finished either, let me know and let's see if you still hold the same opinion.
Putting time and money into an album is an investment in time, energy, and money, which might never pay off. A single CD can cost tens of thousands of dollars, not including the time involved for the artists.
I've heard people equate a CD to a business card. Again, it's a ridiculous comparison. It would take me 10-20 minutes to throw together a basic business card. I can then go into any Staples store and have a few thousand of them made for less than $100. Comparing this process to that of creating a CD is equally stupid to that of flipping burgers.
People love entertainment, they just don't like paying for it, so they make excuses as to why it's OK to steal, or that the artists or their investors should lose value from their work because over time it becomes public domain.
Bravo to the people at the RIAA and the EU who are doing everything they can to protect copyrights.
Written like someone with no comprehension of what intellectual property means. Maybe when you buy a house, you'd like that house to revert to public domain after 50 years. It's the same bloody thing. Extend copyrights indefinitely, that's my suggestion. Make it identical to any other property. I think my caveat would be that things such as literature should be protected as per the original document staying in the possession of the given copyright holder, whereas other writers should be allowed to write original works within the context of the story. ie, a story written within Tolkien world, but not the exact story duplicated without royalty payments to whomsoever entity, corporation, or individual that owns it.
Intellectual property is challenging to protect, but it should be protected as vigorously as any physical property.