Two sides of a coin. There are just as many people shouting that the government shouldn't be able to keep anything secret for any reason. Both extremes are wrong IMO.
Bad analogy for a very murky area of the law.
I don't particularly care for Julian and I'd be happy to see the individual who leaked the documents tried for espionage at the least but you've got a seriously uphill battle to convict a member of the press (however questionable the publication) of a foreign nation of anything whatsoever. For starters, there's jurisdiction, which I'm certain his lawyers will bring up if he's ever charged here. There are also SCotUS precedents you'll have to overcome, most notably the one regarding the Pentagon Papers.
While I don't precisely agree with the press being able to print anything they can get their hands on without repercussion, the law is the law.
Read them, don't read them, what do I care? The random sampling I read were near sleep-inducing for the most part though. Did you really think each or even most of 250k documents would be interesting?
Ha! Wise-ass.
As a side note though, credibility fail in citing wikipedia. While that figure is accurate enough for our discussion (the phrase "fucking hot" would have been also), the site itself is not a credible source for facts.
Pretty much all nations were, we're nothing particularly special there. I have to disagree about the poor getting poorer though. When was the last time you washed clothes on a washboard and dried them on a line. Are you enjoying that computer you just posted on?
Judging the poor of the US relative to the rich is a bit of classist hatemongering. Let's go apples to apples and compare the poor to the poor. The poor in the US have done amazingly well compared to the poor most of the rest of the world. There are poor people within rock-throwing distance of where I sit that have all the food they need, a roof over their head that includes a bedroom for every member of the family, and the standard set of utilities. They also have fairly new HDTVs and ~6mo old android phones. That, my friend, is a very strange definition of poverty considering the conditions many people around the world live in.
Why would you be surprised? They haven't learned anything from the record industry's mistakes so far...
I agree but laws are apparently not allowed to be judged based on common sense. Probably because it is so uncommon. I'd be fine with a highly cleared group of judges ruling based on the same standards of probative vs prejudicial they use for trial evidence even.
Not really. He never set foot on US soil and is not a citizen. We just don't have jurisdiction even if the secrets were ours. It's pretty much exactly like us trying to charge Russian or Chinese intelligence analysts (analysts in Russia/China, not the ones who did the collecting) with espionage.
Cite one then.
You're aware that thinking for yourself and forming your own conclusions that don't agree with the hive mind isn't likely to win you any friends online, right?
Eh, actually most of the documents weren't terribly leakworthy.
Try Austin. It's the local hippie Mecca in Texas.
Minor correction: according to Julian, yes he did know beforehand and provided assurances that certain things would be redacted.
Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by stupidity.
Citation from a credible source needed.
Nah, the general population isn't really buying blaming Bush as a way to inflate Obama anymore. Once you're in office it's all about what have YOU done or failed to do and why am I still unemployed.
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Tax returns, if you really want to know. I've known the person in question for a couple decades now. Single mother, works two minimum wage jobs about 60h a week. Yeah, money's tight and she has to put a lot of hours in to make ends meet. But she does and even manages a fairly comfortable, if somewhat spartan, standard of living for her two daughters.
Now, I lend her a hand on non-monetary things when she needs because I'm a somewhat nice guy and she's good people. But I don't pity her because almost all of her current situation is down to either bad luck or her own bad decisions. She has zero college, no marketable skills to speak of, and frankly is about as smart as a below-average brick. She contributes very little of value to society and receives the same in return. But in the US that is enough, if only barely.
Which was my point. Complaining about what we call poverty or being poor in the US is an insult to those who are actually poor around the world.