"All moral guidelines are subject to the interpretations and needs of society. And the reality is that society is incredibly split on this topic. So... you can say it's not about morality for you. But you can't say that this issue is definitively not about morality as a whole."
Well written . well said .. thanks
"But for the other 99% of us, it is a very difficult existence (regardless of piracy)"
Exactly .
* Poor Musicians make zilch royalties.
* Middle class ones ,, who may have penned a few or more hits , they send the kids to school and pay their bills with Royalties $$$,
* The Beatles got a small country of their own,( GDP -wise),
and the last thing they need is more royalties,,
but they take on principle.. It is their money all legal,
Paulie, Ringo & co, got to pay for offices , staff, and lawyers-- to control their art
BY enforcing copyright infringement,
when an where they choose..
(The Beatles also still CONTROL the music . the RECORDINGS.)
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Copyrights protect those Middle class musicians , artist and writers , and poets ,,
who just get by and a pay their bills and live ,,
with the $$$ from legal royalties from their works.
The current copyright system is the only way the Middile class songwriter or other artist gets paid.
Where would they be w/o Copyright ?
Don't you Pirate guys see that point ???
Everybody else in Congress and the Courts , and vast majority of Law proff do . That is a FACT. Do you dispute this?
If you do not understand why you are a Pirate / criminal , and that if you fail to curb your illegals ,
, well then , fighting the law ,
and trials in courts ,
and maybe maybe Jails
will be your lifestyle.
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"No it bloody well isn't. Copyright is a law, not a moral god
given right."
Ans: thank got you hard work going through my posts. Good to see some one who is awake.
You raise good stuff,, that we may go back to,
But I want to deal with this point in personal principle:
Copyright is a law,
AND a moral and/or Natural right.
This point is the gulf between us.
If you do not extent copyright
and patent as outlined in
the USA Constitution ,
to a moral at least and /or a
Natural Right at best --
We never really can agree on Copyright.
to me that is the point of a debate --
to find that root issue,
that each side is coming from on.
Pirates see no moral wrong in their actions.
(Correct?)
Mankind, Society , and Nations ,
are ( very nearly) unanimous in LAW ,
that Piracy should be AND IS illegal.
There is deep philosophical debate between the views
of , John Locke, Jefferson & Madison Inc.
, Ayn Rand ,
Mike ,
and me ,
as to whether
"Copyright & Patent protections"
is an "extension
of Natural Law,"
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Now if you do not even accept natural law, well fine.
But THEN WHY ,, oh why,,
is Piracy illegal all over the world?
My Ans : Because Piracy , of all forms , are considered
IMMORAL by the majority of Humanity.
So I ask you now :
Why do you think Piracy IS illegal all over the world? the root reasons . their Purpose? Do you really see it as oppression?
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though I did give the link, which is proper legal citation .
I think.
But I prefer to post the full blurb.
Copyright © 2010 Ayn Rand® Institute (ARI)
. All rights reserved. Reproduction in whole or in part is prohibited.
ARI is a 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization.
Contributions to ARI in the United States
are tax-exempt to the extent provided by law.
( I forgot to post this last nite. I correct my error.)
why bother to ans.?
Get real .
go to my profile
Life is about defending rights from those who wish to destroy them
I think Jefferson , Thomas Paine , and their gang of rebels against King George would agree .
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The Rev Martin Luther King once said," if a man has not found anything worth dying for, he is not fit to live."
me
"Anonymous commenting lowers the bar for joining the conversation"
Exactly . That weakens the conversation,
Instead of a good honest debate , based on fact and principle,
you get Nitpicking Pirate Logic, insults ,
people claiming PhDs,
and just a lot of loons.
(And sometimes me included. )
Now I am not saying that is all bad.
Sometimes it is fun.
But all that noise often makes it harder
to focus on a good debate
of fact and on the "conflicting principles" between us.
the object of War , is not to die for your country ,, but to make sure your enemy does ,, ( It think it was Gen.George Patton who said ,,i ain't looking it up)
really it is a silly comment made above ,, but it is a good quote here ,, so i will use to respond to the Pirate comment.
Again as I stated elsewhere in other threads,
If it is up on YouTube ,, it is in happy-lawyer -land ,, and some lawyer somewhere is dealing with it ,
, and maybe BUGs is getting per-play royalties,,, as he should
because ,,as you may remember in the movie Bugs, Daffy , and the gang did with Michael Jordon ( Space Jam ) ,
in one scene Bugs asked Daffy if he was getting any royalties from the Loony Tune's toys and clothes that where all over the M. Jordon's kid's room.
Daffy replied , he is not , and said to Bug's "we are getting screwed" , My favorite scene from the movie.
clip is somewhere here :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ra0S6vHRnM
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as far as article citations ,, from NYT , and etc,, it is all fair and CITED use,,, and being Mike , leaves them up w/o comment means it is OK,
quite frankly the "joke" : is wearing very thin ---, like 10 X a thread now--- and really is just an good example of Pirate Logic : you cannot challenge my points with facts ,, so you look , for some silly nitpick , and say i am post in violation of copyright law-- WHEN in fact it is fair use , legal and fair -- or else Mike would remove it when i post an article from NYT or AP .
he misses the point that moral principle is the only REAL reason to fight piracy,
soon. keep your fingers crossed
I would pay (wall) , to see that !
do you feel it helps explore the topic better?
protects whistle blowers ?
too lazy to set up another system?
Many sites require registration , and it seems to work ok ( NY Times for one), so do you feel anonymous posts are an asset to techdirt's readers and posters ?
"He seems to be betting that obscurity is more risky than free downloads"
I agree
MIKE : "authors were going a bit overboard worrying about file sharing, noting that there was no way to stop it, and fighting it was just a waste of effort."
ans : a fight on moral principle is never a "waste of effort."
poor taste comment.
"Namely that it's possible to question the "evidence" that "pirates" are causing direct losses"
ans: it is not about $$ ,, fighting piracy is about moral principle.
So no... I'm not confusing anything.
Right you are , you got a good grasp.
we are not alone.
We are out numbered in commentators here @techdirt,
but in the courts and congress we are in sync with the mainstream
the Pirate defenders are the extremists,