The 'sweat of the brow', skill and ideas count for nothing in copyright. Directories and menus are not copyright protected. Only the flowery language and the pretty pictures in a cookbook are protected.
The only thing that counts is copying the creative expression. (although, judges seem to ignore the ideas/expression dichotomy when it suits them).
The court would have to decide how much the creative expression in the new work differed from the creative expression in the original. If you think you would have a problem deciding this, judges tend to be ten time more hopeless at software copyright law than you would be.
In Oracle V. Google, Judge William Alsup demonstrated a terrific understanding of both APIs, human-readable coding and its translation into machine code, and the key aspects of copyright law.
Most judges seem to think that software that looks and feels similar to another piece of software is a copyright violation. It's a random outcome, weighted to the earlier work.
What about computer languages?
Google used Mozilla's clean room coding of Sun's (now part of Oracle) Java language to write the Android operating system. Oracle sued Google for using the language functions (i.e. the API not the coding).
The Supreme Court found that it was fair use thus overturning the Federal Court decision. However, that would still be fair use of copyright material.
ATM a software specification (what the software code does) is copyright. Even worse, Apple V. Google found that swiping across a mobile screen to turn a mobile phone off was patented.
So, writing a software specification for AI to write code for a mobile phone that employs screen gestures could violate both copyrights and patents.
Just think how much user data would have escaped to China, Russia, Iran and countless other countries if we still had that terribly insecure Huwawei telecoms network infrastructure or the hopelessly leaky TikTok social network platform. Remember those instances of lost data?
We must clamp down on cable companies and telephone network companies and eV manufacturers and all the others and make sure that they get paid for the data they harvest and pass on.
Wait a minute, I can't remember any instances of Huwawei pr TikTok leaking user data, even for cash and aren't many of those Huwawei routers still in use and isn't TikTok still open for business?
It's time for The Don to force a sale to one of his tech bro. friends.
This happened with Huawei Android phones.
The government wanted to excise the best mobile phone infrastructure because, Security. The communications companies running the infrastructure had no problems keeping their highly secure infrastructure safe from the Chinese government. It was their user data that leaked to the world for money and by incompetence.
There are still loads of Huawei mobile infrastructure routers in service because the government did not supply the funds to smaller providers to replace them.
At the same time, Google was prohibited, by law, from providing its secure Android operating system to Huawei and other Chinese companies.
Now, the open source Android has been forked making Chinese phones much more likely to be subject to Chinese government interference. Not that Americans care: the Chinese phones are great value and perform well and no American has actually been harmed by the use of the forked Android.
From https://www.t3.com/tech/phones/huawei-finally-ditching-android-in-favour-of-its-own-system
"Instead, according to details from Bloomberg, Huawei will use HarmonyOS Next to power devices. The company has spent a long time working with developers to enable access to apps outside of the Play Store to which it lost access, while also developing rival services to those that Google previously offered."
“this criterion is not satisfied where the content of the work is dictated by technical considerations, rules or other constraints which leave no room for creative freedom.”
Sounds like software, to me.
I agree entirely and I am unanimous in that. I am not a Democrat since I am from Tunbridge Wells, but my attorney, Lionel Hutz, points out that the judge's disregarding of Sidney Powell's evidence is a disgrace, so disgraceful.
There will be trouble!
I know it's off-topic, but I want to rant about a serious limitation to my free speech. I wanted a column to express my political views in print and on the web-site of The Wall Street Journal.
I was shocked, shocked to be refused. I thought it might be because the editor disagreed with my point of view. In fact, I could not find any publication anywhere in the world that would play fair and host my free speech.
My only outlet was on something called Social Media which is only provided to support friends, family and acquaintances keep in touch.
Lucky old President Don who can go global on Voice of America (well, perhaps only for the time being) and national on TV and radio stations any time he wants to. He can even take out adverts on almost any sort of digital or analogue media he likes 'cos he is rich, so rich.
It seems very unwise for the executive in Florida and the White House to attack the First Amendment rights of citizens under the Constitution whilst, at the very same time, reminding citizens of their rights under the Second Amendment.
In the good old days, network equipment, including routers, could be accessed for management purposes from a computer on the network via a command line protocol called Telnet.
Many still can.
Telnet is relatively insecure and is deprecated for new equipment. The UK security authorities explained that the only security problem they had found with the Huawei equipment in UK public networks was due to lax coding including the failure to disable the Telnet port and code.
Even if Huawei managed to access the network equipment management, they would not be able to get customer, public network or government data from it. The one truly damaging thing they could do, possibly at the Chinese government's direction, is turn the equipment off or disable it. That has been dealt with, already, for G4 Huawei equipment and would be checked for in G5.
Most network equipment can be made to log and flag management access, so the network administrators would be able to spot such nefarious doings and identify the perpetrators very easily.
I'm surprised that the mobile network operators do not use out-band control and management of network equipment as is common in terrestrial networks.
Finally, if Huawei managed to inveigle code into their equipment to forward customer telephony and data calls to China GCHQ, how would they select the juicy stuff?
Only by enabling it from masts near government installations - just the ones that the UK government are excluding them from. This is Hatton Garden security for the rest of the network. The Chinese government is never going to spy on Daisy's Snapchat postings, this way.
Network administrators can also employ network sniffers and analyse the data they produce to identify rogue communications. I'm sure the UK authorities have server farms set up that can do just this work.
Version 1 of Winamp was released in 1997. Patent Priority date: 1998-06-17.
Winamp, Spotify, iTunes, iPods, Windows Media Player and all media players have the music organisation and selection features of the patent. What none of them use is a Custom CD-ROM, a sound card that decompresses the music files or catagorisation provided by the service provider.
The categorisation is embedded in the metadata of the mp3 or wav music file according to the industry-wide CDDB/FreeDB system linked to the musicCD ID.
CDDB was invented by Ti Kan around late 1993 as a local database that was delivered with his popular xmcd music player application.
So, key elements of the patent are not practised by any product or service, The combination of music selection, playing and categorisation were obvious to a person of "ordinary skill" in the relevant field of music players as shown by Ti Kan.
This troll might just be worth challenging in court.
I think that the EU Commission have made a legal blunder.
They say 'Google has abused its market dominance as a search engine'.
Wikipedia says: "A market is one of the... systems... whereby parties engage in exchange. [M]ost markets rely on sellers offering their goods or services... in exchange for money from buyers."
There is no market for search engines. We don't pay for search results. The search engine service is an alternative to offering free, internet, kitten videos in order to attract people to your sales site.
Whether your sales site sells your own product line or also provides paid links to 'partners' a la Amazon, is your choice of business model. If Kelkoo want prominence on Google's sales site, then they will have to pay more for that prominence.
Try 'Google has abused its market dominance as a free, internet, kitten, video company'. Does that pass the legal test for antitrust?
The point of this case is that Java SE is licensed for 'General Purpose Desktop Computers', but not for mobile phones.
Sun wanted Java to be implemented on as many general purpose computer platforms as possible and roped in many organisations, including Apache, to make this happen.
(Note: the original Sun licence in force during Google's development of Android did not refer to tablets and was much more loosely phrased. Oracle 'tightened it up' after the start of the case. Google never used Sun's binary code, but used the Sun licensed Apache code. The Sun license must apply to the API as well as any Sun binary code otherwise the licence is useless for Sun's desktop plans.)
Oracle were incensed that their plans for a money-making, Java-based, mobile phone OS were stymied by Android. That is why there was all the discussion about mobile phones and tablets in the case because that's the basis of the complaint.
Google Chrome is a general purpose computer. It has a full Java SE licence. It can also use the open source Java JDK licensed by Sun.
If Oracle are going to sue every Unix/Linux based general purpose computer OS that implements or uses Java SE, then that is the end of Java.
As Maurice will know, 17 USC says 'Copyright protection subsists... in original works of authorship fixed in any tangible medium of expression'.
It explains that the intention of the limited monopoly on copying is: '(A) To maximize the availability of creative works to the public.' '(B) To afford the copyright owner a fair return for his or her creative work and the copyright user a fair income under existing economic conditions.'
As That One Guy points out, the production of the photos was accidental. David Slater never planned for the monkeys to take their selfies and neither did the monkeys: it was not a creative work of authorship and does not qualify for copy protection under the law.
PS: 17 USC § 801 uses the phrase 'copyright owner' which seems to allow for the 'ownership' of a legal right under the law.
Oh dear, I've come to the conclusion that David Slater does, indeed, have the copyright to the snapshot. But... later!
First, copyright is not property under the Constitution: it is a right. That's why it is called copyright.
Irell & Manella are wrong to state 'Defendant Slater does not argue here that he owns the copyright'. Nobody owns the copyright: one can only have, or not have, the right to copy.
If a wildlife cameraman sets up a camera with an infra-red detector and catches a picture of a fox, there is nothing that passes the low hurdle under copyright law of creative expression.
If David Bailey sets up a studio shot, poses the model, has the lighting and flash set up to his satisfaction, chooses the ISO setting and shutter speed and gets an assistant to click the shutter, that does leap the creative hurdle and David Bailey has the copyright to the image.
David Slater was half way there. He set up the camera, settings, backdrop, flash, iso, etc (some of which might have been the cameras automatic doing) and then arranged for the model to operate the shutter once in a suitable pose. Since the 'creative' hurdle is so low under copyright law, I cannot see how David Slater does not have the right to prevent others copying his creative expression.
'To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.'
"[I]t leads to... a huge loss for society and culture."
If copyright leads to a huge loss for society, it contravenes the Constitutional purpose for the law permitting the copyright monopoly in the first place.
The Constitution limits exclusive rights to just the authors and for only a limited time so that authorship is encouraged, but society also benefits, in exchange.
At last the CAFC puts front an centre the law that says a patent is invalid if it fails to fall into the four classes of invention permitted by §101.
It also concedes what the Supreme Court has long impressed on them that there are judicial exclusions.
In O'Reilly V. Morse (Supreme Court 1853) the court said "The mere discovery of a new element, or law, or principle of nature, without any valuable application of it to the arts, is not the subject of a patent. But he who takes this new element or power, as yet useless, from the laboratory of the philosopher, and makes it the servant of man; who applies it to the perfecting of a new and useful art, or to the improvement of one already known, is the benefactor to whom the patent law tenders its protection."
They intended 'philosopher' to encompass scientists, mathematicians, engineers, computer programmers, pharmacists, chemists etc. as we see in Bilski, Benson, Mayo, Flook, Diehr and so on.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Sure it's an abstract idea, but it's onna computer and a interweb, for goodness sake! Some of the computers have to be servers which is special rather than generic... I expect.
The 'sweat of the brow', skill and ideas count for nothing in copyright. Directories and menus are not copyright protected. Only the flowery language and the pretty pictures in a cookbook are protected. The only thing that counts is copying the creative expression. (although, judges seem to ignore the ideas/expression dichotomy when it suits them). The court would have to decide how much the creative expression in the new work differed from the creative expression in the original. If you think you would have a problem deciding this, judges tend to be ten time more hopeless at software copyright law than you would be. In Oracle V. Google, Judge William Alsup demonstrated a terrific understanding of both APIs, human-readable coding and its translation into machine code, and the key aspects of copyright law. Most judges seem to think that software that looks and feels similar to another piece of software is a copyright violation. It's a random outcome, weighted to the earlier work.
What about computer languages? Google used Mozilla's clean room coding of Sun's (now part of Oracle) Java language to write the Android operating system. Oracle sued Google for using the language functions (i.e. the API not the coding). The Supreme Court found that it was fair use thus overturning the Federal Court decision. However, that would still be fair use of copyright material. ATM a software specification (what the software code does) is copyright. Even worse, Apple V. Google found that swiping across a mobile screen to turn a mobile phone off was patented. So, writing a software specification for AI to write code for a mobile phone that employs screen gestures could violate both copyrights and patents.
Be Thankful for Small Mercies
Just think how much user data would have escaped to China, Russia, Iran and countless other countries if we still had that terribly insecure Huwawei telecoms network infrastructure or the hopelessly leaky TikTok social network platform. Remember those instances of lost data? We must clamp down on cable companies and telephone network companies and eV manufacturers and all the others and make sure that they get paid for the data they harvest and pass on. Wait a minute, I can't remember any instances of Huwawei pr TikTok leaking user data, even for cash and aren't many of those Huwawei routers still in use and isn't TikTok still open for business? It's time for The Don to force a sale to one of his tech bro. friends.
Here we go, again.
This happened with Huawei Android phones. The government wanted to excise the best mobile phone infrastructure because, Security. The communications companies running the infrastructure had no problems keeping their highly secure infrastructure safe from the Chinese government. It was their user data that leaked to the world for money and by incompetence. There are still loads of Huawei mobile infrastructure routers in service because the government did not supply the funds to smaller providers to replace them. At the same time, Google was prohibited, by law, from providing its secure Android operating system to Huawei and other Chinese companies. Now, the open source Android has been forked making Chinese phones much more likely to be subject to Chinese government interference. Not that Americans care: the Chinese phones are great value and perform well and no American has actually been harmed by the use of the forked Android. From https://www.t3.com/tech/phones/huawei-finally-ditching-android-in-favour-of-its-own-system "Instead, according to details from Bloomberg, Huawei will use HarmonyOS Next to power devices. The company has spent a long time working with developers to enable access to apps outside of the Play Store to which it lost access, while also developing rival services to those that Google previously offered."
“this criterion is not satisfied where the content of the work is dictated by technical considerations, rules or other constraints which leave no room for creative freedom.” Sounds like software, to me.
Re: Sidney powell sued
Hey, who's flagging Anonymous Coward? Am I the only one who got the joke? You've ruined my life... and my reply.
Re: Sidney powell sued
I agree entirely and I am unanimous in that. I am not a Democrat since I am from Tunbridge Wells, but my attorney, Lionel Hutz, points out that the judge's disregarding of Sidney Powell's evidence is a disgrace, so disgraceful. There will be trouble!
My Free Speech
I know it's off-topic, but I want to rant about a serious limitation to my free speech. I wanted a column to express my political views in print and on the web-site of The Wall Street Journal.
I was shocked, shocked to be refused. I thought it might be because the editor disagreed with my point of view. In fact, I could not find any publication anywhere in the world that would play fair and host my free speech.
My only outlet was on something called Social Media which is only provided to support friends, family and acquaintances keep in touch.
Lucky old President Don who can go global on Voice of America (well, perhaps only for the time being) and national on TV and radio stations any time he wants to. He can even take out adverts on almost any sort of digital or analogue media he likes 'cos he is rich, so rich.
It's SO unfair. There's going to be trouble!
It seems very unwise for the executive in Florida and the White House to attack the First Amendment rights of citizens under the Constitution whilst, at the very same time, reminding citizens of their rights under the Second Amendment.
Backdoor!
This might be very old news.
In the good old days, network equipment, including routers, could be accessed for management purposes from a computer on the network via a command line protocol called Telnet.
Many still can.
Telnet is relatively insecure and is deprecated for new equipment. The UK security authorities explained that the only security problem they had found with the Huawei equipment in UK public networks was due to lax coding including the failure to disable the Telnet port and code.
Even if Huawei managed to access the network equipment management, they would not be able to get customer, public network or government data from it. The one truly damaging thing they could do, possibly at the Chinese government's direction, is turn the equipment off or disable it. That has been dealt with, already, for G4 Huawei equipment and would be checked for in G5.
Most network equipment can be made to log and flag management access, so the network administrators would be able to spot such nefarious doings and identify the perpetrators very easily.
I'm surprised that the mobile network operators do not use out-band control and management of network equipment as is common in terrestrial networks.
Finally, if Huawei managed to inveigle code into their equipment to forward customer telephony and data calls to China GCHQ, how would they select the juicy stuff?
Only by enabling it from masts near government installations - just the ones that the UK government are excluding them from. This is Hatton Garden security for the rest of the network. The Chinese government is never going to spy on Daisy's Snapchat postings, this way.
Network administrators can also employ network sniffers and analyse the data they produce to identify rogue communications. I'm sure the UK authorities have server farms set up that can do just this work.
Bye-bye and Thanks for all the Fish
Software is copyright.
Bye-bye, Android, Firefox, Linux, MySQL, LibreOffice...
Oh, so are computer languages (even the lists of functions),
Bye-bye, C, C++, Ruby, Python, OpenJava...
Oh, there is copyrighted open-source hardware,
Bye-bye, Ardunino, Raspberry Pi...
Those wicked, freeloading, Raspberry Pi-using kids better start saving up their pocket money and pay their dues to Ubuntu, Raspberry Pi.org, Python...
xmcd/Winamp/CDDB!
Version 1 of Winamp was released in 1997. Patent Priority date: 1998-06-17.
Winamp, Spotify, iTunes, iPods, Windows Media Player and all media players have the music organisation and selection features of the patent. What none of them use is a Custom CD-ROM, a sound card that decompresses the music files or catagorisation provided by the service provider.
The categorisation is embedded in the metadata of the mp3 or wav music file according to the industry-wide CDDB/FreeDB system linked to the musicCD ID.
CDDB was invented by Ti Kan around late 1993 as a local database that was delivered with his popular xmcd music player application.
So, key elements of the patent are not practised by any product or service, The combination of music selection, playing and categorisation were obvious to a person of "ordinary skill" in the relevant field of music players as shown by Ti Kan.
This troll might just be worth challenging in court.
Free Market?
I think that the EU Commission have made a legal blunder.
They say 'Google has abused its market dominance as a search engine'.
Wikipedia says:
"A market is one of the... systems... whereby parties engage in exchange. [M]ost markets rely on sellers offering their goods or services... in exchange for money from buyers."
There is no market for search engines. We don't pay for search results. The search engine service is an alternative to offering free, internet, kitten videos in order to attract people to your sales site.
Whether your sales site sells your own product line or also provides paid links to 'partners' a la Amazon, is your choice of business model. If Kelkoo want prominence on Google's sales site, then they will have to pay more for that prominence.
Try 'Google has abused its market dominance as a free, internet, kitten, video company'. Does that pass the legal test for antitrust?
Oracle Gave Google A License for Java SE
The point of this case is that Java SE is licensed for 'General Purpose Desktop Computers', but not for mobile phones.
Sun wanted Java to be implemented on as many general purpose computer platforms as possible and roped in many organisations, including Apache, to make this happen.
http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/javase/terms/license/index.html
(Note: the original Sun licence in force during Google's development of Android did not refer to tablets and was much more loosely phrased. Oracle 'tightened it up' after the start of the case. Google never used Sun's binary code, but used the Sun licensed Apache code. The Sun license must apply to the API as well as any Sun binary code otherwise the licence is useless for Sun's desktop plans.)
Oracle were incensed that their plans for a money-making, Java-based, mobile phone OS were stymied by Android. That is why there was all the discussion about mobile phones and tablets in the case because that's the basis of the complaint.
Google Chrome is a general purpose computer. It has a full Java SE licence. It can also use the open source Java JDK licensed by Sun.
If Oracle are going to sue every Unix/Linux based general purpose computer OS that implements or uses Java SE, then that is the end of Java.
ISDS Festering?
Is there any chance it will turn black and drop off?
@ That One Guy & Maurice Ross
As Maurice will know, 17 USC says 'Copyright protection subsists... in original works of authorship fixed in any tangible medium of expression'.
It explains that the intention of the limited monopoly on copying is:
'(A) To maximize the availability of creative works to the public.'
'(B) To afford the copyright owner a fair return for his or her creative work and the copyright user a fair income under existing economic conditions.'
As That One Guy points out, the production of the photos was accidental. David Slater never planned for the monkeys to take their selfies and neither did the monkeys: it was not a creative work of authorship and does not qualify for copy protection under the law.
PS: 17 USC § 801 uses the phrase 'copyright owner' which seems to allow for the 'ownership' of a legal right under the law.
Ownership
Oh dear, I've come to the conclusion that David Slater does, indeed, have the copyright to the snapshot. But... later!
First, copyright is not property under the Constitution: it is a right. That's why it is called copyright.
Irell & Manella are wrong to state 'Defendant Slater does not argue here that he owns the copyright'. Nobody owns the copyright: one can only have, or not have, the right to copy.
If a wildlife cameraman sets up a camera with an infra-red detector and catches a picture of a fox, there is nothing that passes the low hurdle under copyright law of creative expression.
If David Bailey sets up a studio shot, poses the model, has the lighting and flash set up to his satisfaction, chooses the ISO setting and shutter speed and gets an assistant to click the shutter, that does leap the creative hurdle and David Bailey has the copyright to the image.
David Slater was half way there. He set up the camera, settings, backdrop, flash, iso, etc (some of which might have been the cameras automatic doing) and then arranged for the model to operate the shutter once in a suitable pose. Since the 'creative' hurdle is so low under copyright law, I cannot see how David Slater does not have the right to prevent others copying his creative expression.
The Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 8
'To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries.'
"[I]t leads to... a huge loss for society and culture."
If copyright leads to a huge loss for society, it contravenes the Constitutional purpose for the law permitting the copyright monopoly in the first place.
The Constitution limits exclusive rights to just the authors and for only a limited time so that authorship is encouraged, but society also benefits, in exchange.
A gesture to the Law, the Constitution and Common Sense
At last the CAFC puts front an centre the law that says a patent is invalid if it fails to fall into the four classes of invention permitted by §101.
It also concedes what the Supreme Court has long impressed on them that there are judicial exclusions.
In O'Reilly V. Morse (Supreme Court 1853) the court said "The mere discovery of a new element, or law, or principle of nature, without any valuable application of it to the arts, is not the subject of a patent. But he who takes this new element or power, as yet useless, from the laboratory of the philosopher, and makes it the servant of man; who applies it to the perfecting of a new and useful art, or to the improvement of one already known, is the benefactor to whom the patent law tenders its protection."
They intended 'philosopher' to encompass scientists, mathematicians, engineers, computer programmers, pharmacists, chemists etc. as we see in Bilski, Benson, Mayo, Flook, Diehr and so on.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
What's the Issue?
Sure it's an abstract idea, but it's onna computer and a interweb, for goodness sake! Some of the computers have to be servers which is special rather than generic... I expect.