"I note also you do not give any examples of companies that copy others that from that copying becoming market leaders in that field.
Can you think of any ?"
Microsoft - Apple - HP - Cisco - Micron - IBM - Intel
There is really quite a long list.
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"That's the problem with IP maximsits. They contribute nothing and then they claim that they have contributed something. See, patents are about as worthless as your contributions to this forum"
We contribute inventions and in the case of my Electrified Monorail control patents they drove $400 million a year in GNP, about 4000 jobs, half of which were in my home state over the life of the patents.
Or how about Dr Damadian who created the MRI industry?
That amounts to hundreds of thousands of jobs.
What about Gorden Gould, inventor of the Laser?
That is what inventors do for society, drive the creation of jobs.
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"Nah, I was talking about you."
Perhaps your comment was a Freudian slip driven by your deepest fears?
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"willful infringement laws give people disincentive to study patents"
This is adolescent reasoning at its best.
This is only a problem if the information is used to infringe a patent. You will note that companies like Apple, Microsoft, RIM, Cisco, HP, Micron, Intel are often assessed double or treble damages for willfulness. That is why they created the story about mythological patent trolls as cover for their disreputable conduct.
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I and many other inventors do study patents and learn from them. In fact, studying patents is a great way to expand one's technical knowledge. It is also a good way to learn about unsolved problems and can catalyze discovery of new inventions.
Everything in life which is worthwhile requires work. Learning to understand patents requires your investing some time to understand them. If you chose to not do so then it is your own self inflicted loss.
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See my post on this thread regarding the two major factions of big companies. One group does love their own patents but wants to exclude small business interests and the other pretty much hates all patents.
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"Comprehension FAIL. Attitude FAIL. Life FAIL. Pure FAIL. FAIL."
You really need to stay away from mirrors.
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Those patent laws came well before big pharma.
The reason other large business groups are pushing Patent Deform is that the patent system gives an individual who has a significant invention to take them on and win. Most of the time when you see media talking about a patent troll there is an inventors who achieved justice against overwhelming odds.
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"waiting for others to become efficient and then ready to get exploited?"
If "others" build their business on a rotten foundation then they deserve to be run out of business.
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"waiting for others to become efficient and then ready to get exploited?"
If "others" build their business on a rotten foundation then they deserve to be run out of business.
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"But that's just an unlikely theory."
Yep. There are far more aspiring copycats than inventors and those who want free reign scream bloody murder when their paddies are slapped. This is happening today and it is quite reasonable to think that it also happened in the past.
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cc, does this mean you are mad and that your are going to take your marbles and stomp off to a different sandbox?
You kind of remind me of an adolescent.
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"Others factors may have an impact but the only true thing that stop others from developing and studying is patents, thank God there are hackers out there studying anyways, with or without the law."
No one stops people from studying patents. In fact the purpose of patents is to make the knowledge available for others to study and build on.
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Many inventions from ancient times were completely lost when civilizations perished because they were kept secret. Without protection people have very good reason to carefully guard the secret of their inventions.
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"They should work at a university or at an R&D company and get paid to do their jobs like everybody else."
Now this is really outside the box thinking:) If everyone does this then no new companies are likely to be born.
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"Please explain why Asiatic countries are growing faster than the U.S. "
Dirt cheap labor and no R&D costs because they steal ours.
"Your type of inventor's are parasites of that system, that sterilize the environment negating further advancements needed for survival, you creeps are killing this country(the U.S.)."
In other words you want to use our inventions for nothing. The typical royalty for an important invention is 5% or less of factory wholesale. That means that it is 3% or less of retail. High volume products might see a royalty in the 0.1% range. I don't think that it is killing anything and if it is too high a burden all you have to do is not use it.
What is killing the country is transnational companies shipping our collective manufacturing know how out of America. And shipping massive numbers of jobs out of America.
And if that is not bad enough they are killing budding companies by stealing their inventions and shipping them and the new jobs they would have created out of the country.
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"Maybe you are right, maybe you are wrong but what is obvious is that you are unable to contribute something of value here."
I contributed something of value, namely a great deal of information about the realities of inventing as a business.
The problem is not that I did not contribute value but that you and other TechDIRT users are unable to see or extract value.
In my case I did produce products buy an invention is in its own rights a product and deserves the same respect.
"one risks being offended" I believe that TechDIRT is by its nature offensive and that is the reason why you get responses you do not like.
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I know that I was able to record most movies on TV and that means that the cartridge was capable of at least 1 1/2 hours.
Also, there is no reason that Beta could not have been scaled for longer recording times as was done with VHS.
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It has been my experience that you can find many historical theories but they are still just theories. vested interests always spin things and as time passes it becomes more difficult to sort out.
Edison was demonized by those who tried to cheat him. Watts was demonized. The same was true of Farnsworth, who was harassed his whole life by RCA. Bob Kearns suffered in the same way at the hands of big auto companies. Jerry Lemelson, who was the second most prolific inventor after Edison was systematically cheated and demonized. I knew both Kearns and Lemelson and they were both honorable people.
So why should I believe the drivel about Watts?
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Re: Re: Re: exclude others
Your reasoning is incredibly flawed. You say "Patents have no R&D value since companies get patents before they conduct any R&D.", which is not true because R&D is done first and that drives getting a patent.
"It's not like someone is special and can come up with an idea that no one else can. Especially someone like you when compared to engineers." Inventors are special, they produce the breakthroughs.
I spent much of my career working as an engineer and what made me good at it was that I have a multidisciplinary background.
"Why patent something if you can simply keep it a secret and still collect monopoly rents from its secrecy?"
The reason to patent is twofold:
1)If someone else is able to reverse engineer and files a patent and I was using trade secret then I would be subject to paying royalties. It is good public policy to give preferential treatment to those who teach their invention. So those who use trade secret may have a long term to use their invention but if someone figures out what the invention is, and once they see it implemented that is a likely outcome, the trade secret holder is in deep crap.
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