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  • Feb 9th, 2016 @ 8:02am


    It seems you may be mixing apples and oranges, or trademarks and copyrights.

    There are probably lots of people using the image of a moose for their trademarks in Canada, and there are certainly other trademarks using the word "moose" in Canada, (just as surely as there are MOUSE and DUCK trademarks), but the people at MOOSEHEAD seem to be the only people using, and registering trademarks, for "MOOSE" for beer for many years, and they have protected their well known mark and prevented others form using the MOOSE trademark for beer.

  • Feb 8th, 2016 @ 1:08pm

    Re: THESE guys have a much stronger claim than Moosehead, eh.

    Do any of them make beer?

  • Feb 8th, 2016 @ 1:06pm

    cherry picking?

    You mean "cherry picking" the word that is the same in both trademarks? That's the part that is confusing. If we were talking about ELKHEAD beer, then I'd be talking about the "HEAD" part.

    You might also note that HEAD and KNUCKLE are body parts, making for an even closer comparison of the marks.

    Seriously now, MOOSEHEAD has been protecting their mark for a while now, so this is nothing new, nor out of the ordinary... http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/sudbury/moosehead-brewery-rights-take-fizz-out-of-stack-s-moose-beer-1 .2847466

  • Feb 8th, 2016 @ 10:10am

    (untitled comment)

    "Beyond that word, nearly everything else to do with the packaging and trade dress is different..." Right. But the word MOOSE is the real issue, so what does that matter?
    MOOSEHEAD has a strong case and would win in court if it goes that far, but it won't. It's not like there are lots of beers with MOOSE in the name being sold in Canada. As far as I can tell, there's one, and it's quite famous. And MOOSE is not at all descriptive of the product and would be considered a strong trademark. The spelling difference of "moose" as "müs" is meaningless. It is phonetically the same, and that is how a court would see it. They should have picked a different name.

  • Nov 24th, 2015 @ 7:50am

    Somewhat dissimilar?

    "So the side discussion of this spat could revolve around the logos of the companies (which are somewhat dissimilar)..."

    Somewhat dissimilar? Meaning what? They are essentially the same but somewhat dissimilar? Mostly the same but somewhat dissimilar? Either one sounds like a grudging admission that they do indeed have similarities.

    And the fact that they are similar designs is certainly not a "side discussion", it's front and center.

    Paul T is wholly correct in his comments.

  • Nov 9th, 2015 @ 7:30am

    Clear rules

    The trademark office has rules and the courts have found that they are not impermissibly vague. There's no evidence here of selective enforcement. None of the other marks mentioned have been challenged, and if they were they would go through the same process.

    FWIW you are mixing copyrights and trademarks. Two different critters, and two different governmental offices.

  • Nov 5th, 2015 @ 4:58pm

    Re: Just pick a new name

    Love the "Monuments".

    Representatives is a bit long, and they don't actually do anything. The Washington Lobby? The Washington Fixers maybe?

  • Nov 5th, 2015 @ 7:47am

    Cancellations coming?

    I wonder if we'll see any challenges to some of these marks now that they're in the spotlight. "Dago" really ranks right up there with "Redskin" on the offensive scale, but the others are more debatable.

  • Nov 5th, 2015 @ 7:38am

    Interesting arguments but doomed to fail

    I'm not comfortable with the idea that approval of a trademark is a form of government speech but I'm also not comfortable with the idea that the US government can be impelled to endorse or display speech which has been deemed vulgar and offensive. Regardless, I don't see the courts coming around to the idea that this is a first amendment issue and the Lanham Act is not going away, but this is not the end.

    Really though, the presence of those other marks on the register does not matter much, since they've never been challenged. If they were, some would surely be cancelled, especially the marks that employ seemingly racist language. No doubt confusingly similar marks, and descriptive marks, and offensive marks, make it on to the register, but that's why there are provisions for opposition and cancelations.

    And even after cancelation, there is nothing preventing the use of the REDSKINS trademark under common law, which also undermines the first amendment argument.

  • Nov 5th, 2015 @ 6:46am

    Redskin Tobacco Company

    I just did a quick search of the US trademark register for "Redskin" related to tobacco and I find no applications or registrations, live or dead.

    As far as I can tell, from an extensive search (Google), no one has sold tobacco under that brand in decades, and the only products available seem to be spittoons.

    Regardless, if it were a registered trademark it would be subject to cancelation too.

  • Oct 27th, 2015 @ 7:38pm

    Re: It's a shame

    It's a damn shame. Congress is avoiding difficult decisions and forcing the LoC to do it for them, putting the LoC into a decision making role that is subject to political pressure and the requisite criticism.

  • Sep 16th, 2015 @ 7:57am

    Not yet Registered

    "EarPods was a barely-variant version of a trademark registered by another company" - not to be ticky tacky but neither party has been granted a registration yet.

    Direct Sound filed first their app first (9/8/12), but Apple was able to claim the "priority" date of an application Apple filed in Jamaica (7/17/12) a few months earlier, which put Apple ahead of Direct Sound in line for review at the PTO. Apple's app was approved first and published, while Direct Sound's app was suspended pending Apple's app becoming a registration. But Direct Sound opposed the Apple app, and they claim an earlier "first use date" of 6/28/12, so they should prevail and eventually get the registration, assuming that date is correct and Direct Sound has the evidence to back up that date. If Apple produces evidence of their use that predates Direct Sound use then they could conceivably prevail. It might seem like a slam dunk for Direct Sound but you never know.

    I couldn't find it, but a comment on the source article says that Direct Sound's Motion for Summary Judgement was denied, which is interesting and may be a small victory for Apple, at least initially.

    Look for the usual "make it go away" settlement from Apple, a la iPad.

  • Sep 15th, 2015 @ 8:04am

    Re: aldestrawk

    I agree with you, and I would expect Quiznos will either pull or change their ad.

  • Sep 9th, 2015 @ 6:32am

    (untitled comment)

    "First, the word is descriptive in nature. Second, the mark is in use by many other companies already, including Carlton & United, and doesn't serve as a source identifier." - I think you just wrote the court opinion.

  • Sep 3rd, 2015 @ 8:44am

    Re: Re: Look at store brands

    Good comments SirWired. You have a firm grasp of the issues.

    Manufacturers and grocery do occasionally have disputes over house brands and stuff like this, but they tend to settle it quietly and quickly, as they have a vested interest in working with each other.

  • Sep 3rd, 2015 @ 7:59am

    Re: Re: I buy it

    Yeah, I agree with the previous comments. CRUNCH is used on other similar products, both descriptively and as a trademark (and there are many registrations for candy and chocolate products not owned by Nestle) but the choice to use essentially the same color scheme, the same shape, on the same or similar kind of product, seems questionable.

    I also note the use of the word "identical" in this story. The packages don't need to be identical for there to be infringement, but more to the selected wording, I don't see where the claim is made that they are identical. Not sure what the suit says, but Nestle above says "remarkably similar" and "confusingly similar", which seems accurate, and says the other product "copied every key element of Nestle's CRUNCH Trade Dress" which is debatable, but no one but the author uses the term "identical". Why employ such a word when it's not the issue or the bar that needs to be reached?

    Similarly, the author notes that both packages have the word "CRUNCH" and the color blue, but fails to note the use of red for "CRUNCH", or any of the other apparent similiarities spotted by the commenters here.

    When certain key elements of the story are overlooked or glossed over, but others are discussed in detail, it seems disingenuous and self-serving.

  • Sep 1st, 2015 @ 7:18am

    (untitled comment)

    "And most normal people would agree..." - I believe that's a direct quote from one of my favorite books "How to alienate people and lose friends, and even piss off the people who agree with you".

  • Aug 27th, 2015 @ 7:38am

    (untitled comment)

    "given that AB has admitted its run into this situation in the past, it's a bit surprising that the company hasn't even attempted to get a trademark on "the queen of beers" to avoid this very thing in the present."

    It's not surprising really, because AB knows that they have a famous mark and that they have the legal means to protect their tagline without filing applications for every possible iteration of their mark. Why should AB have to file "The Prince of Beers" or "The Duke of Beers" just to protect their mark? They don't, because they understand, and courts understand, how language works.

    The other reason they don't file such marks is because that would be fraud in the eyes of the trademark office. When you file a trademark application for a mark that is not yet used, but based on your intent to use it in the future, you must attest, under penalty of law, that the applicant intends to use the mark. In the eyes of the law, if AB doesn't intend to use the slogan "The Queen of Beers", any new application would be considered fraudulent. That's not to say it doesn't happen all the time, but it's not a sound method of protecting one's trademarks.

  • Aug 27th, 2015 @ 7:23am

    Re: Re: I'm siding with Bud

    "King of Beers" is a well known slogan, and most folks know the Budweiser tagline. I'm actually surprised that they didn't get an outright rejection from the trademark examiner to begin with. Any application for a tagline for a beer using "(insert any royal title) of Beers" will get AB's attention and if it goes to court AB will win in a heartbeat. It is most certainly confusingly similar and it would easily mislead consumers as to the source of the product.

    Again, ask yourself this question - would party B have chosen the name/brand/trademark that they did if it were not for the existence of the name/brand/trademark of party A. If the answer is no, then there's a good chance that party B is trading off the goodwill, the notoriety, the fame of party A.

  • Aug 17th, 2015 @ 11:52am

    Re: Re: LMFAO in use since 2003

    sorry, the long winded "target" post was me. forgot to log in.

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