He did not leave from a bar. He left from a shopping center with restaurents. From what I am reading there is a bar nearby and he is asserting with NO PROOF AT ALL that "people park here" and walk across a field through a hole in the fence to a bar.
yeah. NO PC at all. None. and the speed limit is not the speed you are supposed to drive. the PSL is the max speed you may drive "conditions permitting" Nighttime would reduce this max speed to something appropriate to the night time conditions. so 35mph might be spot on right for night time on this 45mph daytime road.
I am sorry but you are incorrect regarding the constitution the Supreme court decided in 1976
“at or after the time that judicial proceedings have been initiated against him, whether by formal charge, preliminary hearing, indictment, information, or arraignment” Brewer v. Williams, 430 U.S. 387 at 398 (1976). "
Judicial Proceedings means "ANY" action by the judiciary which would include the police taking pictures for another case against your will (IE your not free to go)
When are people going to wake up. STOP CHANTING LET HER GO
go up their GRAB THOSE OFFICERS AND GIVE THEM NO ALTERNATIVE but to let her go. PLACE THEM UNDER ARREST and force them to release her.
this is the ONLY way people will get justice.
Don't hit them.
Don't punch them.
Don't fight them except equal to any force they use
Just COMPEL THEM with sheer number. PUT them gently on the ground against the wall take them into custody and COMPEL THEM to do your biding.
people need to wake up and realize "WE" are in charge here.
that these people need to do as they are told.
YOU CAN NOT devolve into riot or mob mentality. you must remain organizes with a single unmovable front that you will do as your told because we the people demand it. without negotiation.
The problem with this is that it can and WILL be gamed ie there is nothing to stop one competitor from abusing this automated system to "take out" the competition. Does not matter if it can be fixed the damage will already be done.
The only solution is also the only solution ebay will not take. Thats because the solution is to HIRE people and that costs money. No chance in hell they are going to eat there profits hiring people when they can simply BAN IT and keep the profits.
Really ? so when I download that episode of DL.TV with a P2P client I am breaking the law ?
OH you thought using Kazaa was illegal ? How silly...
Knowing they used something is one thing knowing WHAT they used it for having the JURISDICTION over what they downloaded and proving they actually did do it are SO very different from "using kazaa"
"This is why we need to adopt a "looser pays" system for ALL lawsuits filed in this country. It would not only cut down on frivolous suits that cost us ALL money, but would also make the RIAA/MPAA think twice before suing somebody."
Alas it would not end frivilous lawsuits but simply end lawsuits by those that can not afford the chance of loosing. IE the only people that would sue are the ones that tends to sue now anyway (big corporations with deep pockets)
what it should be is if a CORPORATION sues and loses IT should have to pay.
First no theft is occuring (unless she swiped some cd's from walmart ??) if ANYTHING is occuring its copyright infringement which is NOT THEFT. Period end of discussion.
Second sometimes you have to break the rules when the bad guys are making the rules. Consider this. the founding father's of this country openly and admittedly commited high TREASON to form this country an act punishable by DEATH under british law and STILL punishable by death under current UNITED STATES LAW.
Yet it was ok ? when the industry gets to right a law (the DMCA ring a bell?) Clearly showing the GOVERNMENT and COURTS (the last avenue of legal redress for citizens) have NO interest in siding or helping said citizens breaking the rules is all thats left.
Label. Company that creates a biased one sided monopoly so they can make biased one side indentured servitude contracts want to sell ARTISTS music and let me get this straight.
You think the label deserves a larger profit than the Artist of the music ?
How in the world can you brain create such a thought ?
So if I write a book and get a publisher to make it once you subtract actual costs and have nothing but profit left you think the publisher should get MORE of it than me the writer of the book ?
are you ACTUALLY trying to say that this is how it should be ?
Only one type of person could come up with such insane flawed logic - a label.
Its DISGUSTING that artsists basically get NOTHING from CD sales.
How is this different from wiring a box that lets one decrypt and use satellite video signals? How is this different (other than the initial trespass) from hooking a long cable to one's neighbor's cable connection and using the video feed?
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Ok analogy time.
I put up a satellite antennae and I decrypt the signal I have not paid for ?
Is this wrong ? YES off course
NOW change the analogy. I plug an antennae into my TV and it picks up 200 unencrypted wide open transmissions ?
Is this wrong ? No Off Course not
Get the point yet ? the other user left it WIDE OPEN not only that but its BROADCASTING a "Here I am please connect to me signal" (the broadcast of the SSID)
SO not only are they leaving it open but they are Broadcasting a WELCOME that says here I am connect to me.
Now you tell me why it is wrong to connect to this.
If I leave my House Door wide open does this mean you can just walk into my house ? Off Course not.
NOW if I leave my door wide open and put up a flashing neon sign above it that says Please come on in.
You have a good point but your forget one thing. at least for now we in this country are still innocent till proven guilty. the burden of proof is on the RIAA not you. they have to PROVE you are guilty. You do not have to prove you are innocent (though that would help) if you tracked mac addresses (not sure if that is possible or not) and could show the offending mac address was not one of your own then you have met your end even if you did not have to.
Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/
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Re: Re: Re: Re: hello, "Nerys"!
Timmy? I guess I stepped into someones little internet war ehh? You off your meds their AC ?
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He did not leave from a bar. He left from a shopping center with restaurents. From what I am reading there is a bar nearby and he is asserting with NO PROOF AT ALL that "people park here" and walk across a field through a hole in the fence to a bar. yeah. NO PC at all. None. and the speed limit is not the speed you are supposed to drive. the PSL is the max speed you may drive "conditions permitting" Nighttime would reduce this max speed to something appropriate to the night time conditions. so 35mph might be spot on right for night time on this 45mph daytime road.
I am sorry but you are incorrect regarding the constitution the Supreme court decided in 1976
“at or after the time that judicial proceedings have been initiated against him, whether by formal charge, preliminary hearing, indictment, information, or arraignment” Brewer v. Williams, 430 U.S. 387 at 398 (1976). "
Judicial Proceedings means "ANY" action by the judiciary which would include the police taking pictures for another case against your will (IE your not free to go)
hearing, indictment, INFORMATION, or arraignment.
emphasis mine.
When will people wake up
When are people going to wake up. STOP CHANTING LET HER GO
go up their GRAB THOSE OFFICERS AND GIVE THEM NO ALTERNATIVE but to let her go. PLACE THEM UNDER ARREST and force them to release her.
this is the ONLY way people will get justice.
Don't hit them.
Don't punch them.
Don't fight them except equal to any force they use
Just COMPEL THEM with sheer number. PUT them gently on the ground against the wall take them into custody and COMPEL THEM to do your biding.
people need to wake up and realize "WE" are in charge here.
that these people need to do as they are told.
YOU CAN NOT devolve into riot or mob mentality. you must remain organizes with a single unmovable front that you will do as your told because we the people demand it. without negotiation.
Problem with wisdom of crowds
The problem with this is that it can and WILL be gamed ie there is nothing to stop one competitor from abusing this automated system to "take out" the competition. Does not matter if it can be fixed the damage will already be done.
The only solution is also the only solution ebay will not take. Thats because the solution is to HIRE people and that costs money. No chance in hell they are going to eat there profits hiring people when they can simply BAN IT and keep the profits.
Re: sigh
Really ? so when I download that episode of DL.TV with a P2P client I am breaking the law ?
OH you thought using Kazaa was illegal ? How silly...
Knowing they used something is one thing knowing WHAT they used it for having the JURISDICTION over what they downloaded and proving they actually did do it are SO very different from "using kazaa"
Re:
"This is why we need to adopt a "looser pays" system for ALL lawsuits filed in this country. It would not only cut down on frivolous suits that cost us ALL money, but would also make the RIAA/MPAA think twice before suing somebody."
Alas it would not end frivilous lawsuits but simply end lawsuits by those that can not afford the chance of loosing. IE the only people that would sue are the ones that tends to sue now anyway (big corporations with deep pockets)
what it should be is if a CORPORATION sues and loses IT should have to pay.
Re:
First no theft is occuring (unless she swiped some cd's from walmart ??) if ANYTHING is occuring its copyright infringement which is NOT THEFT. Period end of discussion.
Second sometimes you have to break the rules when the bad guys are making the rules. Consider this. the founding father's of this country openly and admittedly commited high TREASON to form this country an act punishable by DEATH under british law and STILL punishable by death under current UNITED STATES LAW.
Yet it was ok ? when the industry gets to right a law (the DMCA ring a bell?) Clearly showing the GOVERNMENT and COURTS (the last avenue of legal redress for citizens) have NO interest in siding or helping said citizens breaking the rules is all thats left.
What is going on here ?
Let me get this straight Just One Guy?
Artist ? Creator and OWNER of the music (usually)
Label. Company that creates a biased one sided monopoly so they can make biased one side indentured servitude contracts want to sell ARTISTS music and let me get this straight.
You think the label deserves a larger profit than the Artist of the music ?
How in the world can you brain create such a thought ?
So if I write a book and get a publisher to make it once you subtract actual costs and have nothing but profit left you think the publisher should get MORE of it than me the writer of the book ?
are you ACTUALLY trying to say that this is how it should be ?
Only one type of person could come up with such insane flawed logic - a label.
Its DISGUSTING that artsists basically get NOTHING from CD sales.
1 million CD sold for 18 million dollars
Artist cut ? 40k ?? Label Cut 14-15million ?
You REALLY think thats fair ???
Man what TWISTED sadistic world were you born in.
Oh thats right THIS sadistic twisted world.
Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/
Let me tell you why its different :-)
How is this different from wiring a box that lets one decrypt and use satellite video signals? How is this different (other than the initial trespass) from hooking a long cable to one's neighbor's cable connection and using the video feed?
-------------------------------
Ok analogy time.
I put up a satellite antennae and I decrypt the signal I have not paid for ?
Is this wrong ? YES off course
NOW change the analogy. I plug an antennae into my TV and it picks up 200 unencrypted wide open transmissions ?
Is this wrong ? No Off Course not
Get the point yet ? the other user left it WIDE OPEN not only that but its BROADCASTING a "Here I am please connect to me signal" (the broadcast of the SSID)
SO not only are they leaving it open but they are Broadcasting a WELCOME that says here I am connect to me.
Now you tell me why it is wrong to connect to this.
If I leave my House Door wide open does this mean you can just walk into my house ? Off Course not.
NOW if I leave my door wide open and put up a flashing neon sign above it that says Please come on in.
Am I wrong to enter ?
Chris Taylor
http://www.nery.com/
Liability and Innocence
You have a good point but your forget one thing. at least for now we in this country are still innocent till proven guilty. the burden of proof is on the RIAA not you. they have to PROVE you are guilty. You do not have to prove you are innocent (though that would help) if you tracked mac addresses (not sure if that is possible or not) and could show the offending mac address was not one of your own then you have met your end even if you did not have to.
Chris Taylor
http://www.nerys.com/