"You mean like preventing what happened in Boston? Raging success that one."
So one out of over 50 terrorist plots succeeded, and a minor one at that. Clearly we have failed.
Get serious!
"Constitutional violations are just that".
You are talking about practices that were created by the Executive, fully briefed to the Legislative, and ruled on and constantly watched by the Judiciary. It's hard to get closer to constitutionality than that, in our system of constitutionally divided powers.
Also, you need to be careful about what the Constitution actually says about privacy: nothing. Then look at judicial interpretation - finding some privacy rights in the 4th Amendment. So far, the judiciary, in all cases so far, has held metadata collection to be constitutional. And yes, the Supreme Court has ruled on this sort of thing, in the recent past.
Too many people think the Constitution says what they want to believe, rather than what it really says or what the courts have actually ruled on it.
Of course. Successful Republican women (and blacks) scare the heck out of the left. They cannot imagine that such people aren't Democrats. No matter what Palin says, whether it is right or wrong, it will be mischaracterized and then viciously attacked.
Snowden wasn't trying to show how weak our security was. His public claims are to show it was too strong, revealing a whole multitude of capabilities.
So, how badly has US security been handled since 9/11? It seems to work a whole lot better than before 9/11. There have been a large number of disrupted terrorist plots, and I'd bet that a substantial number of those were detected and/or tracked by signals intelligence - the NSA.
What danger to our security was Snowden purportedly warning about? How would you have made it better>
Snowden took a lot of material describing US signal intelligence, which is the primary means of detecting Russian intentions.
It is not unreasonable to suspect that these releases, which showed that NSA had more capability than foreign intelligence agencies previously knew about, led the Russians to do the same thing that Al Qaeda did after the leaks - change their signals security defeating the NSA.
Beyond the security leaks, do you know of other NSA failures?
The only way the NSA damaged security was by failing to secure its secrets from Snowden.
Do you know of any other way it did so?
At this point, it doesn't matter what Snowden's motivations were. He has probably done more damage to US security than any spy since the "a-bomb" spies of the 40's and '50s.
The US didn't predict Russia's invasion of the Crimea. I wonder why...
Snowden had other routes to follow if all he wanted to do was expose spying on Americans. He could have gone to a congress-critter hostile to the NSA - there were some. He could have published *only* the information about spying on Americans. He could have followed the honorable route of civil disobedience, like the civil rights activists did.
Instead, he stole a huge amount of very sensitive information, put it in the hands of an anti-American left-wing reporter at the Guardian, and then fled, first to our geopolitical enemy China, and then to the very hostile and dangerous Russia.
The guy deserves to rot in super-max.
I can't join the NRA jeering crowd here in the comments. The article simply misstates what Alexander said. Go some place reputable and read the whole interview.
First, Alexander did not say that NSA had made no difference. In fact, he pointed dozens of cases where it had. The US was safer due to these programs.
Second, he demonstrated clearly how this program would most probably have prevented 9-11.
Finally, it would be preposterous to believe that such a program did not add to safety. If it is strong enough to worry people about privacy, then it is strong enough to detect terrorist plots. Contrary to fictional portrayals, terrorists aren't supermen or evil geniuses. They are, however, not completely stupid, which is why they have changed their encryption since Snowden let them know how they were being tracked.
I doubt the journalist prohibition applies to foreigners operating outside the US. It shouldn't.
Re: Re: Re: Re: It doesn't matter what his motivations were
I think you are seeking perfection in a field, intelligence, where that doesn't happen. The NSA tries its best, and for a government operation, it has been historically remarkably good - compared to, say, the CIA or FBI. I have a lot of respect for NSA, and the few professional and other encounters I have had with NSA folks have been impressive.
As to the stories... I lived those years. I had a copy of the original public key paper while the NSA was still embargoing its publishing. I remember the Clipper chip. So I do have a bit of a background here.
NSA originally didn't want to prevent encryption - they wanted a back door into it. Public pressure prevented that (perhaps that was good, but it's arguable).
For many years, people thought the NSA had intentionally weakened DES encryption, when NSA insisted that the key be 56 bits (plus 8 bit parity) when the original developers at IBM wanted 112 bits. Much later, academic cryptology researchers discovered that DES, counter-intuitively, was stronger at 56 bits than 112! Apparently NSA was decades ahead in this regard, and used their knowledge to improve publicly available encryption.
The increasing potential of Islamist terrorism was apparent to those of us paying attention in the 1990's. But, civil libertarians were doing their best to defeat our CI capabilities. 9-11 would have been prevented if the Gorelick rule had not been promulgated in the '90s. This was a civil liberties rule keeping FBI CI and criminal investigations separate.
But, once the real threat was demonstrated - with 3000 civilian casualties - more than the death toll at Pearl Harbo - NSA used many techniques. Too many (maybe all) of which have now been revealed by Snowden, which increases the threat and empowers our adversaries.
They are not making up stories - the threats and attempts are real. Does anyone imagine that the Islamists no longer want to kill American civilians in large numbers?
Also, before 9/11, the US indeed has a history of terrorist attacks. My former residence, Lawrence, KS, had all of its male residents killed by terrorists during the civil war. Puerto Rican nationalists attacked the US several times, including an attack in the Capitol building. There have been plenty of other incidents. But, nothing as lethal as 9-11.
Modern times have made the potential damage from a terrorist attack much more serious, while at the same time making it easier for foreigners to attack. Air transport, the internet, and the modern telephone system all enable adversaries. American adversaries, whether foreign governments or ideological groups like Islamists, represent a far greater danger than they did in the past, so just looking at history is missing a bigger picture. These days, genetic engineering applied to pathogens can make them more lethal. And, you no longer need a big institution to do it. A member of my family learned, and used the techniques as an undergraduate at a good US university. We did a business plan for some GE products, and the cost was surprisingly low - well within the budget of terrorists. And... Al Qaeda employed an Islamist scientist for this purpose - who had a doctorate in neuroscience from MIT (or was it Harvard... whatever). We captured her.
America has a long history of retreating into isolationism. Our geographical isolation has allowed us to get away with not worrying about foreign threats, with a few exceptions like Pearl Harbor and the World Trade Center. We can no longer afford that luxury.
We need to make rational tradeoffs between civil liberties and protection. I believe NSA did a darned good job of it, based on what has been revealed so far. They had procedures to limit the scope of actual use of the vast data they gathered. They had approval of both houses of congress, who were regularly briefed, and approval of the FISA courts.
Obviously once can disagree. But too many people are just assuming that NSA is evil, that the programs are gigantic conspiracies to deprive us of our rights, and that the threats are minimal. Our deadly serious, evil and dedicated adversaries are quite happy about this.