Lobbying isn't inherently bad. It's just trying to influence the government. I for one and glad someone is looking out for the public. I'm confident Mike didn't take any politicians out for hooker and cocaine parties and didn't offer them CFO jobs at Techdirt once their political careers are over.
If selling the counterfeits/replicas is truly illegal, here's a thought. Find the people selling the goods, shut down their operations and arrest them. Pulling their websites does very little to stop them and has the potential to shut down legitimate business due to the lack of due process.
I have to admit, that's pretty funny stuff. You might as well have rickrolled me. Of course, then you're probably get arrested for facilitating copyright infringement.
This comment is in accordance with most of the Techdirt crowd, and, if I understand correctly, with how Mike feels. Why are you so angry with someone you agree with?
There's no point in trying to eliminate all crime. The only way to do that is to eliminate all laws. A lot of people are stupid and greedy. A lot of people are also poor. Fining them more than they'll make in a lifetime/jailing them for downloading and listening to a song or downloading and watching a movie (or even being accused of either offense) is troubling. It causes a real disdain for the system, both the content providers and the government that protects them.
If there were a ~14 year limit on copyright, after which works entered the public domain, then perhaps it would be more reasonable to enforce high penalties for copyright infringement... because there would be a vast amount of these older, now freely available works for them, not just to view, but to expand upon, thus increasing the culture.
When you say "you guys would just "steal" the latest stuff"
it makes you sound petulant.
I asked you another straight forward question above. I'll try to remember to read your response later. I'm truly interested in why you feel the way you do.
I think you're too black and white with this breakdown. I read Mike's posts to indicate that he sees some amount of piracy as inevitable, and using over reaching laws to try and totally eliminate piracy is not only ineffective, but destructive. Now, I ask you a question. Do you personally think copyright laws are too invasive, just right or should be stretched further? If you're on board with stretching these laws further, can you explain why you feel the way you do?
I'm fairly sure Mike isn't a pulling music and movies down via torrent. He's also not an owner of the Pirate Bay. What exactly do you think he has to gain by being "Pro-Piracy"?
How about we move copyright to a more palatable time frame? 3 years sounds reasonable to me, but I'll compromise and give you 7. After that, it's fair game. Similar for software copyrights. Innovation stagnates when you're paid rents on legacy materials.
This jackwagon isn't an author, but I'm a consumer. Haven't started Midwasteland yet but I'll definitely read the work of an author that 'gets it' before one that decidedly doesn't.
That said, I agree with his assertion in the Troublemakers intro that the majority of people consume entertainment that is banal, lowest common denominator crap. The major media outlets know this and pump it out money hand over fist.
Tyler Perry was the highest paid person in Hollywood this year. Talented artists and consumers with a modicum of taste should weep.
So it's a bad law and should be amended to remove protection for police from being recorded... I mean, unless the citizens of Illinois want or require a police state.
Are you saying the copyright owners don't get paid when someone purchases content through iTunes? I seem to remember Apple's value really taking off when they figured out how to bring content to the masses at a reasonable price on a device that was convenient.
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Lobbying isn't inherently bad. It's just trying to influence the government. I for one and glad someone is looking out for the public. I'm confident Mike didn't take any politicians out for hooker and cocaine parties and didn't offer them CFO jobs at Techdirt once their political careers are over.
Re: Re: This is pretty literally red meat for your fanboy-trolls.
pink... not red.
actual police work
If selling the counterfeits/replicas is truly illegal, here's a thought. Find the people selling the goods, shut down their operations and arrest them. Pulling their websites does very little to stop them and has the potential to shut down legitimate business due to the lack of due process.
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Why do you support SOPA?
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I hope you're right, but something tells me they'll find a way to legislate these endeavors into the ground too.
Re: Re: Re: Re: They are not clueless
Metallica openly admitted to making mix tapes when they were putting the band together. That's copyright infringement. Pot, meet kettle.
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I have to admit, that's pretty funny stuff. You might as well have rickrolled me. Of course, then you're probably get arrested for facilitating copyright infringement.
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You're posting on the same blog A/C. If you're so well versed on the law, go ahead and post your name and credentials.
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"I agree that copyright term is too long."
This comment is in accordance with most of the Techdirt crowd, and, if I understand correctly, with how Mike feels. Why are you so angry with someone you agree with?
There's no point in trying to eliminate all crime. The only way to do that is to eliminate all laws. A lot of people are stupid and greedy. A lot of people are also poor. Fining them more than they'll make in a lifetime/jailing them for downloading and listening to a song or downloading and watching a movie (or even being accused of either offense) is troubling. It causes a real disdain for the system, both the content providers and the government that protects them.
If there were a ~14 year limit on copyright, after which works entered the public domain, then perhaps it would be more reasonable to enforce high penalties for copyright infringement... because there would be a vast amount of these older, now freely available works for them, not just to view, but to expand upon, thus increasing the culture.
When you say "you guys would just "steal" the latest stuff"
it makes you sound petulant.
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I asked you another straight forward question above. I'll try to remember to read your response later. I'm truly interested in why you feel the way you do.
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I think you're too black and white with this breakdown. I read Mike's posts to indicate that he sees some amount of piracy as inevitable, and using over reaching laws to try and totally eliminate piracy is not only ineffective, but destructive. Now, I ask you a question. Do you personally think copyright laws are too invasive, just right or should be stretched further? If you're on board with stretching these laws further, can you explain why you feel the way you do?
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I'm fairly sure Mike isn't a pulling music and movies down via torrent. He's also not an owner of the Pirate Bay. What exactly do you think he has to gain by being "Pro-Piracy"?
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How about we move copyright to a more palatable time frame? 3 years sounds reasonable to me, but I'll compromise and give you 7. After that, it's fair game. Similar for software copyrights. Innovation stagnates when you're paid rents on legacy materials.
Re: Re: Re: Re: What if you don't have a phone?
and how do I use my camera phone to record him violating my civil rights if the phone is under the seat?
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Shotgun? Are you referring to a violent "revolution"? Someone arrest this AC.
Re: Attention Internet Shitheads!
This jackwagon isn't an author, but I'm a consumer. Haven't started Midwasteland yet but I'll definitely read the work of an author that 'gets it' before one that decidedly doesn't.
That said, I agree with his assertion in the Troublemakers intro that the majority of people consume entertainment that is banal, lowest common denominator crap. The major media outlets know this and pump it out money hand over fist.
Tyler Perry was the highest paid person in Hollywood this year. Talented artists and consumers with a modicum of taste should weep.
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So it's a bad law and should be amended to remove protection for police from being recorded... I mean, unless the citizens of Illinois want or require a police state.
Re: Re: Welcome to the new nation
While I don't know that he has anything to do with this particular farce of a law, Obama has spent some time in the Illinois political system...
Re: Re: Re: Wow!
"it's not because they're a bunch of coked-up idiots who are wasting cash" -
if not from their paychecks from making 'content' can you tell me where the coked up idiots are getting their money for coke?
Re: Re: Re: Wow!
Are you saying the copyright owners don't get paid when someone purchases content through iTunes? I seem to remember Apple's value really taking off when they figured out how to bring content to the masses at a reasonable price on a device that was convenient.