I think you protest too much; that you hide your patriotism and support for the criminals running this government.
You made a bunch of allegations about Assange, one about his high living, but you have not supported those.
Recently the NY Times wrote about their first encounter with Assange in the Guardian offices in the U.K. Their description of him, of his clothing, hardly suggested a high liver, rather someone who knows his use of his talent has made him hot and so, rather than avoiding taxes, he keeps moving about to prevent being tracked.
As I say your bias is showing but it would be much nicer it you openly said you hate Assange because you support this murderous government and their criminal deeds.
You all seem to have your heads in those screens otherwise you would look for the answers as to revolutions in the histories of the same.
For starters look to the Haitian revolution against French imperialism, the first and only successful slave revolution ever carried out with no technology at all.
Or the great French Revolution that ultimately brought the French bourgeoisie to power; all they had was some guns and a few cannon.
Or the Russian Revolution which you can read about in Leon Trotsky's History of the Russian Revolution available on line in The Marx - Engels Internet Archive. Be prepared for something like a thousand pages on social movement and revolution. What startled me was reading the other day a comment in the NY Times pointing out that The Soviets taught children in school the elements of successful revolution, elements those heroic but uneducated in revolution folks in Tahir Square would greatly benefit from.
Or how about the Afghan revolution against U.S. imperialism and their puppet government? All the anti-imperialist fighters have are a few guns and some explosives.
Revolution is not about technology. Deficiencies in that department can be overcome. What is essential is a population unable any longer to live in the old way, a conscious leadership whose aims coincide with the needs and wishes of the mass of society, and deliberate and effective action to take control of the centers of communication (Drums, telephone, or internet), and the government.
The Bolsheviks made their revolution by seizing the Petrograd phone exchange, and with the help of a battleship manned by revolutionary sailors bombarding the Winter Palace from a battleship on the Nevsky River, seized the palace and the government meeting therein but helpless because as I heard Kerensky say many years later at Occidental College in California, "If only I had one loyal regiment."
Technology is secondary. Primary is a resolute leadership that has done the hard and arduous work of winning the support of the masses, the military rank and file (Or at least neutralizing them so they reject the orders of their commanders and remain in barracks) and resolute action seizing as I said the centers of government and communications. Kerensky had no loyal regiment because they all sided with the Bolsheviks who represented land, bread, freedom, and an end to the war.
My logic isn't terrible nor is that of a previous commenter who, probably for misplaced decency's sake did not say it explicitly, Take you order and stuff it up your ass.
Indecent because the government making these demands, and the courts aiding and abetting them, are not just indecent but actually, murderers, torturers, war criminals. Every body that isn't themselves a scoundrel hiding behind patriotism knows that, including the courts.
The seek to persecute (Not an error, persecute not prosecute) Assange, Manning, and WikiLeaks supporters because their activities are exposing for the whole world to see, out of the criminals own documents and activities, their criminality which in the end, if this government or a revolutionary government replacing it, or a world court, will lead to their prosecution and hanging.
So yes, Misters Obama and Holder, take your subpoena and stuff it up your ass, no crime has been committed except those, yours, that you continue to try to conceal and for which, after due process of course, you will hang.
As to transparency, transparency is a double edged or two sided sword. If the web is a place of open discourse then it should be open to anything anybody wants to say, i.e., transparent. But, if the speaker cannot do that in their own name, anonymity is an element of transparency.
Its called the negation of the negation.
Perfectly lawful persons exposing major and powerful criminals, at some risk to themselves, may not be able to publicly identify themselves, hence anonymity which the IP should not violate or be forced to violate. I don't twitter but in this case they are to be much admired.
And because I think there is much else this government ought to shove up it let me be transparent.
Some goon just shot up a bunch of people, a Federal Judge and such, and at least one pol who had been mapped and marked by non other than Sara Palin.
Clear incitement to murder under U.S. law. Should have been prosecuted before the shootings. You don't map locations and post face shots with an ex across them marking them for elimination and claim that is not incitement to murder.
But Obama won't tell Holder to prosecute her. What he will do is use it to justify a harsher crackdown on dissent and will seek to jail anyone who has had anything to do with WikiLeaks and Assange.
The deep economic crisis is now manifesting itself in an even,many fathoms deeper, social crisis.
Violations of the Fourth Amendment will be but the smallest piece of it. Forget asking a court for a subpoena or warrant.
Is it a crime to reveal all the documentary evidence of the crimes of the leadership of the country whose military you have sworn fealty too?
Anybody who answers affirmatively to that question is in fact proving the old and still valid adage; "Patriotism is the last refuge to which the scoundrel clings."
Doesn't matter how many nondisclosure documents he signed.
On pain of hanging, lest you become part of the crime by silence, the Nuremburg Tribunal asserted that publication of the truth as to war crimes was the superior requirement.
Much of what Manning disclosed are proofs of war crimes of this government.
Hence, he is being tortured for revealing those crimes, for being a whistle blower.
His attorney, Coombs, himself military and apparently a blind adherent to the military code, is in essence helping destroy his client.
Somebody who is an attorney needs to walk into a Federal District Court in Quantico and filing a habeas motion as Mannings next best friend, demand he be produced to the court and the matter be sorted out as to Manning being held at all, insofar as he is a whistle blower, and the nature of the conditions under which he is held.
Jack Jersawitz
404-892-1238
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I think you protest too much; that you hide your patriotism and support for the criminals running this government.
You made a bunch of allegations about Assange, one about his high living, but you have not supported those.
Recently the NY Times wrote about their first encounter with Assange in the Guardian offices in the U.K. Their description of him, of his clothing, hardly suggested a high liver, rather someone who knows his use of his talent has made him hot and so, rather than avoiding taxes, he keeps moving about to prevent being tracked.
As I say your bias is showing but it would be much nicer it you openly said you hate Assange because you support this murderous government and their criminal deeds.
Jack Jersawitz
404-892-1238
bigjackjj@yahoo.com
Revolutions and technology
You all seem to have your heads in those screens otherwise you would look for the answers as to revolutions in the histories of the same.
For starters look to the Haitian revolution against French imperialism, the first and only successful slave revolution ever carried out with no technology at all.
Or the great French Revolution that ultimately brought the French bourgeoisie to power; all they had was some guns and a few cannon.
Or the Russian Revolution which you can read about in Leon Trotsky's History of the Russian Revolution available on line in The Marx - Engels Internet Archive. Be prepared for something like a thousand pages on social movement and revolution. What startled me was reading the other day a comment in the NY Times pointing out that The Soviets taught children in school the elements of successful revolution, elements those heroic but uneducated in revolution folks in Tahir Square would greatly benefit from.
Or how about the Afghan revolution against U.S. imperialism and their puppet government? All the anti-imperialist fighters have are a few guns and some explosives.
Revolution is not about technology. Deficiencies in that department can be overcome. What is essential is a population unable any longer to live in the old way, a conscious leadership whose aims coincide with the needs and wishes of the mass of society, and deliberate and effective action to take control of the centers of communication (Drums, telephone, or internet), and the government.
The Bolsheviks made their revolution by seizing the Petrograd phone exchange, and with the help of a battleship manned by revolutionary sailors bombarding the Winter Palace from a battleship on the Nevsky River, seized the palace and the government meeting therein but helpless because as I heard Kerensky say many years later at Occidental College in California, "If only I had one loyal regiment."
Technology is secondary. Primary is a resolute leadership that has done the hard and arduous work of winning the support of the masses, the military rank and file (Or at least neutralizing them so they reject the orders of their commanders and remain in barracks) and resolute action seizing as I said the centers of government and communications. Kerensky had no loyal regiment because they all sided with the Bolsheviks who represented land, bread, freedom, and an end to the war.
Jack Jersawitz
404-892-1238
bigjackjj@yahoo.com
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My logic isn't terrible nor is that of a previous commenter who, probably for misplaced decency's sake did not say it explicitly, Take you order and stuff it up your ass.
Indecent because the government making these demands, and the courts aiding and abetting them, are not just indecent but actually, murderers, torturers, war criminals. Every body that isn't themselves a scoundrel hiding behind patriotism knows that, including the courts.
The seek to persecute (Not an error, persecute not prosecute) Assange, Manning, and WikiLeaks supporters because their activities are exposing for the whole world to see, out of the criminals own documents and activities, their criminality which in the end, if this government or a revolutionary government replacing it, or a world court, will lead to their prosecution and hanging.
So yes, Misters Obama and Holder, take your subpoena and stuff it up your ass, no crime has been committed except those, yours, that you continue to try to conceal and for which, after due process of course, you will hang.
As to transparency, transparency is a double edged or two sided sword. If the web is a place of open discourse then it should be open to anything anybody wants to say, i.e., transparent. But, if the speaker cannot do that in their own name, anonymity is an element of transparency.
Its called the negation of the negation.
Perfectly lawful persons exposing major and powerful criminals, at some risk to themselves, may not be able to publicly identify themselves, hence anonymity which the IP should not violate or be forced to violate. I don't twitter but in this case they are to be much admired.
And because I think there is much else this government ought to shove up it let me be transparent.
Jack Jersawitz
bigjackjj@yahoo.com
404-892-1238
Re: Subpoena
So you think Obama's a big dissapointment?
You may double or triple that.
Some goon just shot up a bunch of people, a Federal Judge and such, and at least one pol who had been mapped and marked by non other than Sara Palin.
Clear incitement to murder under U.S. law. Should have been prosecuted before the shootings. You don't map locations and post face shots with an ex across them marking them for elimination and claim that is not incitement to murder.
But Obama won't tell Holder to prosecute her. What he will do is use it to justify a harsher crackdown on dissent and will seek to jail anyone who has had anything to do with WikiLeaks and Assange.
The deep economic crisis is now manifesting itself in an even,many fathoms deeper, social crisis.
Violations of the Fourth Amendment will be but the smallest piece of it. Forget asking a court for a subpoena or warrant.
Obama may well prove to be our own Hitler.
j.
bigjackjj@yahoo.com
Re: Crimes of Private Manning
Is it a crime to reveal all the documentary evidence of the crimes of the leadership of the country whose military you have sworn fealty too?
Anybody who answers affirmatively to that question is in fact proving the old and still valid adage; "Patriotism is the last refuge to which the scoundrel clings."
Jack Jersawitz
bigjackjj@yahoo.com
Re: Torture of Private Manning
Doesn't matter how many nondisclosure documents he signed.
On pain of hanging, lest you become part of the crime by silence, the Nuremburg Tribunal asserted that publication of the truth as to war crimes was the superior requirement.
Much of what Manning disclosed are proofs of war crimes of this government.
Hence, he is being tortured for revealing those crimes, for being a whistle blower.
His attorney, Coombs, himself military and apparently a blind adherent to the military code, is in essence helping destroy his client.
Somebody who is an attorney needs to walk into a Federal District Court in Quantico and filing a habeas motion as Mannings next best friend, demand he be produced to the court and the matter be sorted out as to Manning being held at all, insofar as he is a whistle blower, and the nature of the conditions under which he is held.
Jack Jersawitz
404-892-1238