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  • On the post: Wichita Police Respond To Request For Shooting Incident Details With A Handful Of Fully-Redacted Pages

    cbpelto ( profile ), 01 Feb, 2015 @ 11:01am

    Re: Re: RE: POST Training

    RE: Heh

    Even more accurate…..

    [1] Think their life is threatened.
    [2] Shoot.
    [3] AND THEN 'figure out how they can claim their life was threatened afterwards'.
    [4] Afterwards, ask questions to get answers that will justify their shooting.

    The officer who, in his report, claimed he felt his life was threatened, while hiding behind a three-layer thick brick wall—the bricks of which were made in 1901 and it would take a .50 cal a bit of 'chewing' to make any serious impression—writes that if I had given him half-the-chance he'd a gunned me down.

  • On the post: Wichita Police Respond To Request For Shooting Incident Details With A Handful Of Fully-Redacted Pages

    cbpelto ( profile ), 01 Feb, 2015 @ 10:22am

    Re: Re: Re: RE: What Needs to be Done

    ADDENDUM: I'm confident that once the police realize they're going to be held to the same letter of the Law that all the rest of US are, they'll not be so trigger-happy.

    As evidence, I point you to the report that in Oakland, CA, where they are strictly enforcing the police wear body-cams, the number of police-involved shootings of people to death dropped from EIGHT per year to ZERO in the last 18 months.

    Removing Qualified Immunity would be a lot cheaper than equipping every LEO with a body cam….which all to frequently 'malfunctions' in all too many police departments.

  • On the post: Wichita Police Respond To Request For Shooting Incident Details With A Handful Of Fully-Redacted Pages

    cbpelto ( profile ), 01 Feb, 2015 @ 10:19am

    Re: Re: RE: What Needs to be Done

    RE: Qualified Immunity….

    ….is what PREVENTS them from being charged.

    The DAs don't care to charge them in the first place.

    Even when the DAs go for a Grand Jury, they only show the jurors the evidence they want them to see, in order to get the verdict they desire. Cases in point:

    • Jonathan Ferrell — Charlotte NC, running to the police after surviving an auto accident….gets gunned down.

    • Michael Brown — Fergusen, MO. In this case the charges against Wilson should not have been shooting Brown, rather firing upon him as he ran away.

    Qualified immunity, when applicable, shields government officials from liability for the violation of an individual's federal constitutional rights[contradictory]. This grant of immunity is available to state or federal employees performing discretionary functions where their actions, even if later found to be unlawful, did not violate "clearly established law." -- Wikipedia on Qualified Immunity


    With these 'Rules of Engagement', DAs won't even bother attempting to charge LEOs. Even in the more egregious circumstances, e.g., the Georgia Chief Of Police who shot his own wife.

  • On the post: Wichita Police Respond To Request For Shooting Incident Details With A Handful Of Fully-Redacted Pages

    cbpelto ( profile ), 01 Feb, 2015 @ 04:37am

    Re: RE: What Needs to be Done

    P.S. I'm NOT an anonymous coward. The system dropped my sign in. And I had not had enough coffee to recognize that.

    There's too much blood in my caffeine system.

  • On the post: Wichita Police Respond To Request For Shooting Incident Details With A Handful Of Fully-Redacted Pages

    cbpelto ( profile ), 31 Jan, 2015 @ 01:27pm

    RE: Kent State

    I guess you missed the report from a couple years ago.

    The report was that there is an audio recording made by a student observing Kent State protest from a building near the scene.

    In the recording there is the sound of what seems to be four gunshots. There's a short pause and then you hear the Ohio National Guard open up.

  • On the post: Wichita Police Respond To Request For Shooting Incident Details With A Handful Of Fully-Redacted Pages

    cbpelto ( profile ), 31 Jan, 2015 @ 01:25pm

    Re: Re: RE: Lawful Use of Deadly Force

    RE: Qualified Immunity MUST GO!

    Until it is gone, the police are ABOVE THE LAW that applies to everyone of US.

  • On the post: Wichita Police Respond To Request For Shooting Incident Details With A Handful Of Fully-Redacted Pages

    cbpelto ( profile ), 31 Jan, 2015 @ 12:40pm

    Re: Re: Obstruction of Justice — Part II

    RE: Judges

    Take a look at that YouTube video I linked to at "This Is What Happens When You Call the Cops"

  • On the post: Wichita Police Respond To Request For Shooting Incident Details With A Handful Of Fully-Redacted Pages

    cbpelto ( profile ), 31 Jan, 2015 @ 12:38pm

    Re: Re: RE: Lawful Use of Deadly Force

    RE: It's Called 'Qualified Immunity'

    It's afforded LEOs. I gives them the right to kill anyone they can claim caused them to 'fear for their life'. Whether their victim is armed or not.

    Here's a list of some of their victims…..

    • Jonathan Ferrell — Charlotte NC, running to the police after surviving an auto accident….gets gunned down.

    • John Winkler — LA, gunned down running towards a sheriff's deputy as he was fleeing the man who had held him hostage with a knife.

    • Michael Davidson — USAF, gunned down by a state trooper as he was walking towards him after a traffic accident he was involved in.

    • Alfred Redwing — Albuquerque, NM, unarmed and shot on the front porch of his home after he'd been SWAT'd and was dumb enough to come out into the direct line of fire as the police had demanded.

    • Eric Scott — Las Vegas, NV, gunned down in the Costco parking lot because he had a concealed carry permit. And the security camera that was watching the incident reportedly 'malfunctioned' so that evidence of the shooting was lost.

    • Tamir Rice — 12-year old playing in a Cleveland, OH, park with an airsoft pistol. Police shot him dead within 2 seconds of their arrival on the scene.

    • Aiyana Stanley-Jones — 7-year old in Detroit. Shot by police while she slept on a couch.

    • John Crawford III, 22, was fatally shot by law enforcement inside a Beavercreek, Ohio Walmart on Aug. 5 within minutes of a 911 call from a fellow Walmart shopper. He was carrying a BB gun he considered buying.

    • Dillon Taylor — Unarmed. Killed by the Salt Lake City police because he moved his hands when the officer demanded he show his hands. The DA found no reason to charge the officer.

    • Jose Guerena — Tucson, AZ. Shot 60 times in a no-knock drug raid that found no drugs. He had the temerity to think the crashing of his door down was a home invasion and was prepared to defend his wife. So they shot him.

    • D’Andre Berghardt — Las Vegas, NV, had been walking down the highway trying to hitch a ride when police approached him. His behavior was erratic, and eventually he tried to climb inside a police vehicle — at which point he was shot dead.

    • Jerame Reid — Bridgeton, NJ, shot six times by police with his hands empty and up.


    And all that the police get is a 2-week paid vacation.

  • On the post: Wichita Police Respond To Request For Shooting Incident Details With A Handful Of Fully-Redacted Pages

    cbpelto ( profile ), 31 Jan, 2015 @ 08:10am

    RE: This Is What Happens When You Call the Cops

    RE: This Is What Happens When You Call the Cops

  • On the post: Wichita Police Respond To Request For Shooting Incident Details With A Handful Of Fully-Redacted Pages

    cbpelto ( profile ), 31 Jan, 2015 @ 08:08am

    RE: POST Training

    I am confident that Peace Officer Standard Training (POST) teaches officers to shoot first and ask questions later.

    Started back in the 90s when the FBI abandoned the doctrine of 'Protection of Life' regarding the use of deadly force. After that, the mentality trickled down to local law enforcement.

    The theory behind it was that if the police became more brutal in their duties, the populace would become more compliant.

    You can check this out in a book….

    Deadly Force: What We Know — A Practicioner's Desk Reference on Police
    Involved Shootings by Geller and Scott (©1992).

  • On the post: Wichita Police Respond To Request For Shooting Incident Details With A Handful Of Fully-Redacted Pages

    cbpelto ( profile ), 31 Jan, 2015 @ 08:04am

    RE: Lawful Use of Deadly Force

    I've been through three doses of that: (1) as a young paratrooper deployed with my 82d brigade to provide MACA support to the DCPD during the May Day Riots of '71, (2) as an armed security guard and (3) for my CCW permit.

    And in NONE of them was I ever told I could shoot somebody who was NOT an imminent threat to human life, e.g., and pointing a firearm at someone else.

    If the man didn't have a weapon in his hands at the time he was shot, this is outright murder

  • On the post: Wichita Police Respond To Request For Shooting Incident Details With A Handful Of Fully-Redacted Pages

    cbpelto ( profile ), 31 Jan, 2015 @ 07:57am

    Re: Police Academy

    RE: Hightower of Police Academy Infamy

    Watched Police Academy 3 last night.

    Now THAT'S a 'scary uniform'. -- Taxi Driver trying to bilk a Japanese cadet out of $700 when Hightower comes over to see what's going on.

  • On the post: Wichita Police Respond To Request For Shooting Incident Details With A Handful Of Fully-Redacted Pages

    cbpelto ( profile ), 31 Jan, 2015 @ 07:54am

    Obstruction of Justice — Part II

    I'm experiencing similar obstruction in my case with the local police.

    We were SWAT'd a year ago this month. But because I didn't get myself shot by the dozen or so police around our happy home, they charged me with Felony Menacing. [NOTE: When they were pounding on the door as though to break it down, we thought it was a home invasion. So we armed ourselves and went down stairs to 'greet' whomever it was. Turned out to be the police.]

    We recently had another release of 'discovery'. This contains information that was NOT provided by the police back last March.

    THAT is 'obstruction of public justice', as known in this state.

    The police don't like it when they've been caught breaking the law. And obstruction IS breaking the Law.

  • On the post: Wichita Police Respond To Request For Shooting Incident Details With A Handful Of Fully-Redacted Pages

    cbpelto ( profile ), 31 Jan, 2015 @ 07:49am

    Obstruction of Justice

    There's a law suit in there and jail time for contempt of court too.

  • On the post: Nothing Changes: Cops Still Threatening Citizens, Breaking Laws To Shut Down Recordings

    cbpelto ( profile ), 25 Dec, 2014 @ 04:34pm

    Re: I used to feel that the monitoring by the NSA was evil...

    Large corporations cannot charge you with a felony….

    Enjoy your police state.

  • On the post: Nothing Changes: Cops Still Threatening Citizens, Breaking Laws To Shut Down Recordings

    cbpelto ( profile ), 24 Dec, 2014 @ 05:45am

    Re: Re: [OT] HEADS UP! Spyware Installation

    RE: ADDENDUM

    The software seems to have slowed down my web-browser software.

    NOW it take about 5-10 times longer to access a new web-site. Must be the NSA checking/recording the visit….. ;-)

    This is known as….

    ….Adding Injury to Insult.

    Merry Christmas from Apple and the NSA!

  • On the post: Nothing Changes: Cops Still Threatening Citizens, Breaking Laws To Shut Down Recordings

    cbpelto ( profile ), 23 Dec, 2014 @ 10:26am

    Re: [OT] HEADS UP! Spyware Installation

    P.S. Apple says the 'security update' CANNOT BE DELETED!

    Another, as we say in the Army, 'key indicator' that this is not what they claim it is….a simple correction on the clock synchronization software.

  • On the post: Nothing Changes: Cops Still Threatening Citizens, Breaking Laws To Shut Down Recordings

    cbpelto ( profile ), 23 Dec, 2014 @ 10:02am

    Re: Black and White thinking much? (no pun intended)

    RE: Not Evil for Lying?

    Try not to be so dense.

    Every untruth is a stab at the fabric of human society. Especially when it's by Law 'enforcement' officers.

  • On the post: Nothing Changes: Cops Still Threatening Citizens, Breaking Laws To Shut Down Recordings

    cbpelto ( profile ), 23 Dec, 2014 @ 01:41pm

    RE: Garner's Death

    I recall seeing the report that he died on the way to the hospital of a heart attack….brought on by his encounter with the police and their 'affectionate embrace'.

    And by the way, according to reports, it is a violation of department policy for the NYPD to put a 'chokehold' on anyone.

  • On the post: Nothing Changes: Cops Still Threatening Citizens, Breaking Laws To Shut Down Recordings

    cbpelto ( profile ), 23 Dec, 2014 @ 12:25pm

    Death by Whatever

    You choke someone and later they die as an indirect result of that choking….

    ….you'll go to prison.

    But not these police. It's because they are afforded 'Qualified Immunity' for their actions. This makes them above the law that would apply to you.

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