Hmm, reminds me of a similar incident from a while back:
I went over to the sargent, said, "Sargeant, you got a lot a damn gall to ask me if I've rehabilitated myself, I mean, I mean, I mean that just, I'm sittin' here on the bench, I mean I'm sittin here on the Group W bench 'cause you want to know if I'm moral enough join the army, burn women, kids, houses and villages after bein' a litterbug." He looked at me and said, "Kid, we don't like your kind, and we're gonna send you fingerprints off to Washington." — Arlo Guthrie, Alice's Restaurant
I was wondering when somebody was going to mention this. I used to be Mormon, and we had the same deal: nobody got paid for sacraments.
In addition, my grandfather was a Baptist minister. He never took money except maybe to cover gas. He once got paid a couple thousand for a sermon; he turned around and put the check in the offering plate the next week.
From what I've been able to find, that sounds a little like the Hijaz scale played partway up and back down. It's a common scale in Turkish music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKZYlFrgub8
I like that one. Archdruid John Michael Greer once said something to the effect that making religion the foundation of morality was a interesting but thoroughly failed experiment.
It think it has a lot to do with general societal decline: everyone has the sense that something is going wrong but we're all jumping to different conclusions about what that is, and hanging on to them for dear life because that's all we've got to make sense of the world.
Irrational beliefs simply play into the hysteria more easily than ones that can be easily checked and lend themselves to subtlety and nuance.
Except that his version has nearly nothing to do with email as it exists today. He may possibly have invented his own email system; he did not invent the email system anybody actually uses.
That's what I've been thinking for a while now. It used to be a dream of mine to move to the UK. Now I find myself shaking my head watching them racing America to see who can be more stupidly authoritarian.
While it's a horrid practice, at least they seem to be relying on regular contract law instead of abusing copyright to force "agreements" down people's throats.
I disagree. Licensing work under a copyleft license when you disagree with IP entirely is playing the game: it's a defensive maneuver, using the system against itself.
What Molyneux did went beyond legitimate defense. It's more like someone against drug laws turning in a neighbor for smoking pot because they keep throwing trash on his lawn. There are more appropriate ways of handling the situation than abusing an already-unjust law.
I would argue current copyright is unconstitutional because it completely deviates from the intent of the constitution, not because of any ammendments.
Oh, I completely agree. Even without the first amendment, copyright has obviously gone far beyond it constitutional mandate, especially when things like retroactive term extension get involved; how that adds to the original artist's incentive is beyond me.
Technically true, but it would be hard to argue that the Bill of Rights was intended to remove whole sections of the newly formed Constitution.
True, but intent matters only insofar as it is actually expressed, and nothing in the first or later amendments affirms that copyright can be authorized despite the prima facie contradiction.
It's not like they weren't warned:
"Anyway, my point is that the Big Six's pig-headed insistence on DRM on ebooks is handing Amazon a stick with which to beat them harder."
http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/2011/11/cutting-their-own-throats.html
KID, HAVE YOU REHABILITATED YOURSELF?
Hmm, reminds me of a similar incident from a while back:
I went over to the sargent, said, "Sargeant, you got a lot a damn gall to ask me if I've rehabilitated myself, I mean, I mean, I mean that just, I'm sittin' here on the bench, I mean I'm sittin here on the Group W bench 'cause you want to know if I'm moral enough join the army, burn women, kids, houses and villages after bein' a litterbug." He looked at me and said, "Kid, we don't like your kind, and we're gonna send you fingerprints off to Washington." — Arlo Guthrie, Alice's Restaurant
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I was wondering when somebody was going to mention this. I used to be Mormon, and we had the same deal: nobody got paid for sacraments.
In addition, my grandfather was a Baptist minister. He never took money except maybe to cover gas. He once got paid a couple thousand for a sermon; he turned around and put the check in the offering plate the next week.
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From what I've been able to find, that sounds a little like the Hijaz scale played partway up and back down. It's a common scale in Turkish music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKZYlFrgub8
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Yes, it's so tiresome to hear achievements properly attributed to people you don't like.
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I like that one. Archdruid John Michael Greer once said something to the effect that making religion the foundation of morality was a interesting but thoroughly failed experiment.
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A "massive drop" implies a huge number of sales that would have happened if not for the piracy. For a small-time developer, that's just not realistic.
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It think it has a lot to do with general societal decline: everyone has the sense that something is going wrong but we're all jumping to different conclusions about what that is, and hanging on to them for dear life because that's all we've got to make sense of the world.
Irrational beliefs simply play into the hysteria more easily than ones that can be easily checked and lend themselves to subtlety and nuance.
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Sometimes I miss OOTB. He made me feel so much better about myself for not being him.
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Agreed. I wasn't defending him, just making a small semantic point.
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Except that his version has nearly nothing to do with email as it exists today. He may possibly have invented his own email system; he did not invent the email system anybody actually uses.
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Mega-corporations are the ones most likely to actually end up with a drop in sales from piracy.
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If you lived in an isolated community that had never heard of or had forgotten about the wheel, I'd say you could claim to have invented it.
"You should read your Bible, sirs. You'll find all types of weird shit in there."
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That's what I've been thinking for a while now. It used to be a dream of mine to move to the UK. Now I find myself shaking my head watching them racing America to see who can be more stupidly authoritarian.
While it's a horrid practice, at least they seem to be relying on regular contract law instead of abusing copyright to force "agreements" down people's throats.
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If pragmatism is our guide, then morality has no place and we should simply try to figure out what works best, no matter who prevails or who suffers.
Because morality is better than what's best?
What a repugnant, self-righteous dichotomy.
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I disagree. Licensing work under a copyleft license when you disagree with IP entirely is playing the game: it's a defensive maneuver, using the system against itself.
What Molyneux did went beyond legitimate defense. It's more like someone against drug laws turning in a neighbor for smoking pot because they keep throwing trash on his lawn. There are more appropriate ways of handling the situation than abusing an already-unjust law.
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I would argue current copyright is unconstitutional because it completely deviates from the intent of the constitution, not because of any ammendments.
Oh, I completely agree. Even without the first amendment, copyright has obviously gone far beyond it constitutional mandate, especially when things like retroactive term extension get involved; how that adds to the original artist's incentive is beyond me.
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Technically true, but it would be hard to argue that the Bill of Rights was intended to remove whole sections of the newly formed Constitution.
True, but intent matters only insofar as it is actually expressed, and nothing in the first or later amendments affirms that copyright can be authorized despite the prima facie contradiction.