The people defending this can't understand the simple fact that one reason some people are so upset isn't just the fact that this information is collected. It is the fact that eventually it will be abused.
Whether is is abused by some guy that wants to follow his ex or a prosecutor chasing someone who isn't really guilty it eventually will be abused, just as all other government overreaches have always been abused.
No it's the "I am not a criminal because you haven't arrested and convicted me defense."
It's a funny thing about our rights in the USA. There is no such thing as being guilty without a trial, even when the spies think we are guilty.
It occurs to me that someone somewhere, well in DC, must really be scared of people forming pro fourth amendment opinions of this subject if they are willing to pay someone to argue for this long on a web site.
Congress can stop this cold. All they have to do is remove funding from this part of the NSA. No money, no contractors, no contractors, nobody to analyze data and of course no new equipment.
I simply do not understand the whole if you aren't guilty then you have nothing to fear attitude. With more federal regulations than even the government knows about, if anyone wants to arrest and convict you, you will be arrested and convicted.
It WILL happen that some ex husband, ex boyfriend, obsessed fan, even obsessed girlfriend or something will abuse this data to hurt or even kill some innocent, well mostly innocent, since nobody is innocent according to this way of thinking, person.
It is there because the security nerds at the NSA have a wet dream every time they think about "having" all that data.
It's unconstitutional. It may take a tragedy and a change in the constitution to do it but it is against the character of our country to gather information like this.
Congress can easily reign in the NSA/FBI/CIA. All they have to do is cut of the money.
Cut funding for NSA and the new building in Utah is just a building with no people to do the work. No funding, no contractors, no contracts and they will lose interest.
Simple there have been rumors that NSA has a direct link to AT&T servers/routers for at least ten years.
Is it true? I certainly don't know, don't really want to know to tell the truth.
Unfortunately music is in the ear of the beholder and the musician. There's lots of stuff that gets on the radio that I won't listen to but that's the reason that there are preset buttons on the radio.
I grew up in Arkadelphia AR and knew Dr. McBeth. He just died last year and I believe Mary is still living. There and there is bound to be a way to get permission to release that recording.
John Williams, well I don't know him so I can't make any suggestions there.
I would bet that Ouachita Baptist University, where Dr. McBeth taught, would be able to help with that permission.
The NSA,FBI, federal government at large are going to do what they want anyway.
However as long as we can make them look guilty when it is discovered, and it will be discovered human nature being what it is, we can still win.
I did a quick Android Play search for kamasutra, sort of the ultimate in historic sex.
Of course lots of hits. Another reason to avoid Apple if that is what floats your boat.
Actually it is already unlawful to make a false police report. However it is not probably something that you could be deported from, for instance, Russia.
Illegal is a sick bird.
OK that is really cynical but how will lawyers be able to charge huge hourly rates if people are REASONABLE about things?
The entire economy may crash. The housing industry won't build multimillion dollar houses. Luxury car dealers may go out of business. The consequences could end our entire civilization.
Since I'm not in the UK so I can't tell but there are Tor programs for Android that work well can not anyone that is interested use them thus routing around the telco's DNS and filters?
My vision is limited. An Ebook's text can be enlarged to a point that I can read it with comfort. A physical book is stuck with whatever font size the publisher decided to use in the first place.
I poked around the other day and found an Ebook of an old childhood favorite, that I didn't have a "real" copy of and sat down with my grandson. Guess what. He leaned into me and the computer and listened as I read that old favorite.
Re: If criminal prosecution for committing crimes is actionable damage...
Another problem
The people defending this can't understand the simple fact that one reason some people are so upset isn't just the fact that this information is collected. It is the fact that eventually it will be abused.
Whether is is abused by some guy that wants to follow his ex or a prosecutor chasing someone who isn't really guilty it eventually will be abused, just as all other government overreaches have always been abused.
Re:
No it's the "I am not a criminal because you haven't arrested and convicted me defense."
It's a funny thing about our rights in the USA. There is no such thing as being guilty without a trial, even when the spies think we are guilty.
Paid shills and comments
It occurs to me that someone somewhere, well in DC, must really be scared of people forming pro fourth amendment opinions of this subject if they are willing to pay someone to argue for this long on a web site.
Congress and this whole NSA thing
Congress can stop this cold. All they have to do is remove funding from this part of the NSA. No money, no contractors, no contractors, nobody to analyze data and of course no new equipment.
I simply do not understand the whole if you aren't guilty then you have nothing to fear attitude. With more federal regulations than even the government knows about, if anyone wants to arrest and convict you, you will be arrested and convicted.
It WILL happen that some ex husband, ex boyfriend, obsessed fan, even obsessed girlfriend or something will abuse this data to hurt or even kill some innocent, well mostly innocent, since nobody is innocent according to this way of thinking, person.
It is there because the security nerds at the NSA have a wet dream every time they think about "having" all that data.
It's unconstitutional. It may take a tragedy and a change in the constitution to do it but it is against the character of our country to gather information like this.
Power of the purse
Congress can easily reign in the NSA/FBI/CIA. All they have to do is cut of the money.
Cut funding for NSA and the new building in Utah is just a building with no people to do the work. No funding, no contractors, no contracts and they will lose interest.
Pardon might not do any good if he's dead
I expect the "accident" to happen just as soon as the press coverage has died down.
The answer to how many
Simple, all of them. The number keeps changing so they can't possibly answer.
How could it happen?
Simple there have been rumors that NSA has a direct link to AT&T servers/routers for at least ten years.
Is it true? I certainly don't know, don't really want to know to tell the truth.
Re: How about...
Unfortunately music is in the ear of the beholder and the musician. There's lots of stuff that gets on the radio that I won't listen to but that's the reason that there are preset buttons on the radio.
The story that just keeps on giving
Law students should study this as an example of how to really piss off a bunch of judges.
Everything on what not to do in one series of decisions.
Dr. McBeth's family
I grew up in Arkadelphia AR and knew Dr. McBeth. He just died last year and I believe Mary is still living. There and there is bound to be a way to get permission to release that recording.
John Williams, well I don't know him so I can't make any suggestions there.
I would bet that Ouachita Baptist University, where Dr. McBeth taught, would be able to help with that permission.
Sometimes I consider giving up
The NSA,FBI, federal government at large are going to do what they want anyway.
However as long as we can make them look guilty when it is discovered, and it will be discovered human nature being what it is, we can still win.
Just for the heck of it
I did a quick Android Play search for kamasutra, sort of the ultimate in historic sex.
Of course lots of hits. Another reason to avoid Apple if that is what floats your boat.
Re:
Actually it is already unlawful to make a false police report. However it is not probably something that you could be deported from, for instance, Russia.
Illegal is a sick bird.
But what about the unemployed lawyers?
OK that is really cynical but how will lawyers be able to charge huge hourly rates if people are REASONABLE about things?
The entire economy may crash. The housing industry won't build multimillion dollar houses. Luxury car dealers may go out of business. The consequences could end our entire civilization.
What about Tor?
Since I'm not in the UK so I can't tell but there are Tor programs for Android that work well can not anyone that is interested use them thus routing around the telco's DNS and filters?
Ebooks for some are better
My vision is limited. An Ebook's text can be enlarged to a point that I can read it with comfort. A physical book is stuck with whatever font size the publisher decided to use in the first place.
I poked around the other day and found an Ebook of an old childhood favorite, that I didn't have a "real" copy of and sat down with my grandson. Guess what. He leaned into me and the computer and listened as I read that old favorite.
Witty sayings
I'd say something witty and erudite but I'm sure the NSA is watching and I don't want to come to their attention.
Not mismanagement
Don't think of it as mismanagement think of it as stimulus.