Copyright Ruins Everything Again: How Dare A Sports Writer Get People Excited About The Olympics!

from the oh-stuff-it dept

Every few years, the Olympics comes along to remind us not so much about the power of personal triumphs in sports, but the vast overreach of copyright laws to control absolutely everything for no damn reason at all.

Over the weekend, a pretty amazing story came out of the Olympics. Dutch runner Sifan Hassan was entering the final lap in a 1,500 meter heat, when the runner in front of her tripped, leading Hassan to fall as well. Both runners were then way behind the rest of the pack, with just about 350 meters left to go. Somehow, Hassan got up, and passed 11 other Olympic runners to win the race.

The only reason I learned about this was because I saw a tweet by Sports Illustrated writer Chris Chavez that included a clip showing that final lap from the fall to the victory. That tweet went super viral. When I spotted it, it had thousands of retweets. Indeed, the NPR link I put above with the story suggests you watch it by linking to Chris's tweet. Of course, if you go there now this is what you'll see:

That missing tweet in the middle was the video.

It's unclear if it was NBC or the Olympics (or someone else?) who took it down, but either way this is ridiculous. Yes, you can argue that the copyright holder has a right to take it down, but even that seems debatable. This seems like a pretty clear case of fair use -- a reporter reporting on something.

But, even ignoring the fair use argument, this is just so stupid and pointless. Chavez was giving free advertising and promotion to an amazing moment at the Olympics. And it was going viral. Crazy viral. What kind of stupid landlord looks at someone giving them massive promotional value for free and says "we gotta stop that sorta thing!" The infatuation with ownership and control at the expense of word-of-mouth promotion makes no sense at all. It actively holds back interest in the event.

Hide this

Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.

Techdirt is one of the few remaining truly independent media outlets. We do not have a giant corporation behind us, and we rely heavily on our community to support us, in an age when advertisers are increasingly uninterested in sponsoring small, independent sites — especially a site like ours that is unwilling to pull punches in its reporting and analysis.

While other websites have resorted to paywalls, registration requirements, and increasingly annoying/intrusive advertising, we have always kept Techdirt open and available to anyone. But in order to continue doing so, we need your support. We offer a variety of ways for our readers to support us, from direct donations to special subscriptions and cool merchandise — and every little bit helps. Thank you.

–The Techdirt Team

Filed Under: chris chavez, copyright, dmca, olympics, sifan hassan, takedowns, viral, word of mouth
Companies: nbc, olympics, twitter


Reader Comments

Subscribe: RSS

View by: Time | Thread


  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 2 Aug 2021 @ 10:53am

    It actively holds back interest in the event.

    Considering that NBC doesn't even offer a way to legally watch the olympics without an expanded cable package, I doubt they're interested in expanding interest.

    reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 2 Aug 2021 @ 11:06am

      Re:

      The only thing NBC is looking to expand is their revenue, but the process has to be one step or the network executives can't understand the plan.

      reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

    • icon
      James Burkhardt (profile), 2 Aug 2021 @ 11:29am

      Re:

      The online solution is currently to use Peacock, NBC's streaming platform. I don't know if the Olympics are free, but Peacock premium can be accessed without a cable package as a standalone service

      reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

      • icon
        Chris ODonnell (profile), 2 Aug 2021 @ 1:21pm

        Re: Re:

        I have Peacock premium - still need an actual cable package to watch anything live. Peacock is showing summaries and highlights. I live 12 miles from the broadcast towers but can't get NBC to come in OTR.

        reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      CyberKender, 2 Aug 2021 @ 4:01pm

      Re:

      Seriously, the last time Olympic coverage was good was 1984...

      reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Glen, 2 Aug 2021 @ 10:59am

    Re: iromart

    Thanks but no. I gave at the office.

    reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

  • icon
    That One Guy (profile), 2 Aug 2021 @ 11:04am

    'The what now? Never heard of it.'

    It would be ever so nice if people would stop giving that event free publicity, as it's clearly not wanted, and didn't so much as mention anything that took place during it. Those that run The-Event-That-Shall-Not-Be-Named want to be the only ones dealing with anything to do with said event then let them, and if that means that only a fraction of people know it even exists because the majority don't subscribe to the specific service that it's showing on then all the better.

    reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 2 Aug 2021 @ 11:09am

    I consider this sort of takedown notice to be the modern equivalent of mooning people. (equally distasteful and uncivilized)

    reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 2 Aug 2021 @ 11:11am

    This reminds of of nintendo , taking down playthru videos of games,
    so people are stuck in the 90,s ,they dont understand social media or youtube videos re free promotion, videos go viral because they are funny are interesting and they appeal to fans.
    Also a sports reporter posting a short clip of a race is very likely fair use .
    But then time and again we have seen certain companys or lawyers do not understand the concept of free promotion by fans .
    or maybe nbc just wants every video to be on peacock or an official nbc channel .
    remember it took the record industry 15 years at least to understand how to sell digital music on the web instead sueing every use of new tech to acess music on the web.

    reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 2 Aug 2021 @ 11:31am

    Re: iromart

    What's that? Timmy fell into the well?

    reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

  • icon
    That Anonymous Coward (profile), 2 Aug 2021 @ 11:50am

    What if the only thing to come out of the games no one dares name is a bunch of infected athletes who never should have been forced to compete in a country where the pandemic is raging?

    This isn't about sport, this is about money for a few idiots who decided a global pandemic shouldn't put a damper on their income.

    reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Matteste, 2 Aug 2021 @ 12:10pm

    And speaking of copyright, there was also another guy who got struck for simply typing on a keyboard.

    In case you needed more proof to just how busted the whole thing has become.

    reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

  • icon
    Bluegrass Geek (profile), 2 Aug 2021 @ 12:17pm

    But, even ignoring the fair use argument, this is just so stupid and pointless. Chavez was giving free advertising and promotion to an amazing moment at the Olympics

    Ah, but that's the point. They don't care about free advertising for the Olympics. They want to funnel everyone to NBCs site to watch this moment, not see it for "free" on Twitter.

    reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

    • icon
      PaulT (profile), 2 Aug 2021 @ 11:34pm

      Re:

      Which is especially funny if it's NBC taking it down, since Twitter has a global audience and NBC don't. I wonder if, in that case, the Olympic committee might be persuaded to renegotiate the US rights to a company that don't actively reduce the reach of the games worldwide...?

      reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

  • icon
    Oblate (profile), 2 Aug 2021 @ 12:27pm

    Think about the content producers!

    If everyone watches stuff like this for free, how will the runners get paid?

    reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 2 Aug 2021 @ 1:16pm

      Re: Think about the content producers!

      this is suppose to be about bragging rights! NOT how much you can fleece the world for!

      reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      Bobvious, 2 Aug 2021 @ 2:20pm

      Re: Think about the content producers!

      "how will the runners get paid?"

      How will the runners' GRANDCHILDREN get paid until 75 years after their deaths, assuming they survive COVID long enough to have children?

      reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

    • icon
      wereisjessicahyde (profile), 2 Aug 2021 @ 3:39pm

      Re: Think about the content producers!

      Sponsorships and commercial endorsements as they always do. They don't see a penny of TV revenue.

      reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

    • icon
      Scary Devil Monastery (profile), 3 Aug 2021 @ 5:51am

      Re: Think about the content producers!

      "If everyone watches stuff like this for free, how will the runners get paid?"

      Hell, if this shit spreads, no one will ever hold olympic games again - to paraphrase some "experts" in the field of copyright law.

      reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 2 Aug 2021 @ 1:10pm

    Olympics

    how many of our tax dollars have been handed over to the " Olympics" to help support them? how many places has government cleared, built, and provided for the "Olympics"? how many times do i need to say " Olympics" before i get a copyright strike?

    Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics

    this is what happens when GREED takes over!
    used to be able to watch the "Olympics" on TV for free....

    reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Glenn, 2 Aug 2021 @ 1:19pm

    "massive promotional value for free"

    ...sounds like every news site in the EU and Australia complaining about Google ending them traffic.

    reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 2 Aug 2021 @ 1:19pm

    olay limp icks

    Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics Olympics

    reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 2 Aug 2021 @ 1:24pm

    olay limp icks

    looks like trying to use a word like olay limp icks (olympics) needs the copyright cartel approval.

    reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Pixelation, 2 Aug 2021 @ 1:29pm

    I suppose we can just call it, The Other Big Game.

    reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 2 Aug 2021 @ 2:00pm

    or The Series of World Games?

    reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 2 Aug 2021 @ 2:03pm

    It's A Numbers Game With Imaginary Numbers

    1 advertising spot is worth X views on Twitter. Y views on Twitter is worth Z amounts of people opting to skip watching the same clip again when/where ads are run. As long as Z is over 1 they think they lose money. There is no one even remotely close to them who believe otherwise.

    In short, they think they are doing the right thing and they have a dozen accountants who agree.

    The "why" is easier to figure out than the Y

    reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

    • icon
      nasch (profile), 3 Aug 2021 @ 1:27pm

      Re: It's A Numbers Game With Imaginary Numbers

      In short, they think they are doing the right thing and they have a dozen accountants who agree.

      The accountants don't care about stuff like this. They're just making sure revenue, costs, etc. are tracked and reported appropriately, they don't have any input into strategic decisions, let alone copyright issues. Accountants get blamed for a lot of stuff they have nothing to do with.

      reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

  • icon
    TaboToka (profile), 2 Aug 2021 @ 3:49pm

    Quibi shifts in the grave

    When Quibi launched it was without the ability of fans to take and share screenshots/make memes/audio clips/etc to spread bits of the content organically (* cough *, I mean "virally").

    Without the shares, the audience didn't grow much (stupid format aside). A few months after they launched, they realized their mistake and added the ability to take screenshots (but in a broken way). No ability to make gifs or audio clips, because that would be stealing or something.

    They protected their IP so hard that they plowed into the ground less than a year after launch.

    reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

    • icon
      PaulT (profile), 2 Aug 2021 @ 11:39pm

      Re: Quibi shifts in the grave

      To be fair, Quibi's failure was more to do with it having a central product that nobody asked for, that didn't do anything unique and restricted users so hard that they were unable to watch TV on their TVs.

      The IP stuff was silly and obviously didn't help, but I doubt that would have saved them.

      reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

  • icon
    Web_Rat (profile), 2 Aug 2021 @ 5:48pm

    "What kind of stupid landlord looks at someone giving them massive promotional value for free and says "we gotta stop that sorta thing!" Nintendo, "here, hold my sake...."

    reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 3 Aug 2021 @ 12:59am

    Just watch it here:

    That clip may be copyright-blocked, but the event is nevertheless available in full on other sites:
    https://www.eurosport.com/athletics/tokyo-2020/2021/tokyo-2020-all-the-drama-sifan-hassan-tri pped-at-bell-yet-powers-past-rest-of-field-to-win-he_vid1518319/video.shtml

    (at least for now)

    reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      Cowardly Lion, 3 Aug 2021 @ 1:27am

      Re: Just watch it here:

      And in 3-2-1 - your link now goes to a 30 second advert for Dreams mattresses...

      Maybe there's footage of the event in question on Eurosport, but TBF I can't be arsed going to look for it... been that way ever since the IOC "cake police" went up and down high-streets confiscating celebratory 5-ring cakes from bakeries, and let's not forget the taping over of manufacturers labels on WC porcelainware because they were not official sponsors...

      reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 3 Aug 2021 @ 2:45am

    I'm convinced the real reason the Olympics can only be every 2/4 years is it's the exact amount of time it takes people to forget that the IOC is organized crime, the government is taking bribes/kickbacks, and the national/regional authorities of sports will look the other way if you win.

    reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

  • icon
    Lisa Westveld (profile), 3 Aug 2021 @ 6:03am

    Smart move by the Olympics...

    Yeah, sure... This tweet would likely have given the Olympics more media attention on Twitter but most of the followers of Chris Chavez would already be following the Olympics too. So, no new audience here. By taking it down, the Olympics now gets mentioned on TechDirt and several other websites where there are people (like me) who don't care about the Olympics, yet we now see them mentioned again. Worse, search engines will no doubt pick up this article and connect the Olympics with keywords from TechDirt so even more Google Searches will end up with them, creating a bigger audience. Sure, the Tweet gave them some attention. But taking it down gives them a lot more. So instead of writing about the Olympics, we should actually stop referring to them!

    reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

  • icon
    tp (profile), 4 Aug 2021 @ 1:24am

    Interest in the event isn't important

    This must be the oldest reasoning pirates are giving for their piracy. It does not matter how much buzz there is with the content, if the money is going to wrong entity. If the money didn't go through the people who created the event, then all the buzz is just doing damage. "We're making it more popular" is completely crazy idea when the money is going to criminals.

    Real solution is to kill the criminal market completely.

    reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

    • icon
      PaulT (profile), 4 Aug 2021 @ 4:53am

      Re: Interest in the event isn't important

      So, maybe you can give us a window into your weird alternate universe that bears no relationship to the real world:

      What money is going to anyone because someone mentions something in a tweet? When did talking about something become criminal activity in your diseased fantasy world?

      reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

      • icon
        tp (profile), 4 Aug 2021 @ 5:12am

        Re: Re: Interest in the event isn't important

        What money is going to anyone because someone mentions something in a tweet?

        Well, every time the content is mentioned (in a tweet or otherwise), the licensing terms for the content is saying that the money stack of the content developer must get higher and higher.

        When did talking about something become criminal activity in your diseased fantasy world?

        When the copyrighted content is mentioned in the blogosphere, and the money stack doesn't increase in size, it's indication that illegal activity is happening. I.e. the benefit of the content development process is going to the criminals who fail to purchase the content items from the authorised vendor. Instead some criminal organisation is reaping the benefits.

        It's like the developer got robbed with knives, and wallet emptied and money passed to the criminals.

        Basically users have two possible alternatives: 1) either not use the product, or 2) purchase a valid license to the product..

        There's isn't any 3rd alternative where the product is free to use by everyone.

        reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

        • icon
          PaulT (profile), 4 Aug 2021 @ 5:24am

          Re: Re: Re: Interest in the event isn't important

          Thanks, I knew what ever you responded with would not bear any relationship to real life, human behaviour or the way people actually make money, I just wanted to see what a delusional failure was going to say this time. Although...

          "When the copyrighted content is mentioned in the blogosphere, and the money stack doesn't increase in size"

          ...I do wish I lived with this particular part of your delusion where merely talking about things magically makes money appear. It sounds so much easier than real life.

          reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

          • icon
            tp (profile), 4 Aug 2021 @ 5:36am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Interest in the event isn't important

            our delusion where merely talking about things magically makes money appear. It sounds so much easier than real life.

            This is actually already reality in australia where news organisations got a law done where search engines, news aggregators, yellow press etc will need to purchase licenses to the content if they just link to the content or otherwise mention its existence.

            I'm just waiting for that law to be adopted in EU.

            The logic behind the law is pretty good, i.e. freeriders like google and facebook will need to start creating their own content instead of replicating other people's content all over the globe. The whole world will benefit when google/facebook will hire professional journalists and puts them to dig through the war zones and report human rights violations happening in those areas of the world. Maybe they don't need to replicate slow news items or celebrity cat wash news, when they could generate actually useful news that would make the world a better place.

            reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

            • icon
              PaulT (profile), 4 Aug 2021 @ 11:38pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Interest in the event isn't important

              Or, Google can say the same "fuck you" to the whole EU as they did to Spain, and kill off smaller news outlets, meanwhile people who aren't in news media who talk about something will continue paying you the nothing you deserve - they'll give their money to competent developers.

              "The whole world will benefit when google/facebook will hire professional journalists"

              Fuck, no. You want them to literally control news media, rather than sending traffic to existing news outlets that may or may not agree with them? Because that how you get them controlling all news media.

              Once again, delusional idiot wishes the worst on to the planet because he's too incompetent to deal with the real world.

              reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

              • icon
                tp (profile), 5 Aug 2021 @ 12:00am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Interest in the event isn't important

                Because that how you get them controlling all news media.

                It's called growth. Yesturday they only controlled the news distribution. Tomorrow they should have grown even larger, and control also the content creation. Freeriding idiots are not welcome. Everyone need to become independent of rest of the world, i.e. they need to be able to create their own dependency tree. We're already sick and tired of supporting google and facebook when they don't contribute anything to content creation.

                reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

                • icon
                  PaulT (profile), 5 Aug 2021 @ 1:17am

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Interest in the event isn't importan

                  "It's called growth"

                  Yes. Sane people would rather that they don't grow and expand into areas where they currently only support other companies. We'd rather not have them as direct competitors who can easily abuse monopoly power.

                  "Yesturday they only controlled the news distribution"

                  No, they didn't. The publishers controll distribution, in conjunction with who they use as an ISP and host. You don't need Google or Facebook to access any news. They just send free traffic to the existing distributors.

                  You're now suggesting that this isn't enough and they need to control every aspect of news creation and distribution, thus locking out all competitors. You're not suggesting what you think you're suggesting.

                  "Everyone need to become independent of rest of the world, i.e. they need to be able to create their own dependency tree"

                  Says the dickhead completely dependent on free libraries, free protocols and the free internet for his own useless products, or indeed this conversation. Why are you dependant on itch.io for most of your software distribution? Shouldn't you be setting up your own site that nobody goes to instead of an established player, you hypocrite, you?

                  "We're already sick and tired of supporting google and facebook"

                  Then don't use them.

                  reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

                  • icon
                    tp (profile), 5 Aug 2021 @ 3:00am

                    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Interest in the event isn't impo

                    Shouldn't you be setting up your own site that nobody goes to instead of an established player, you hypocrite, you?

                    Yes, I'll do it once you give me keys to the google's or facebook's bank account. I simply don't have the necessary money to do it properly.

                    Google or facebook cannot use this defense, since they have the money available.

                    reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

                    • icon
                      PaulT (profile), 5 Aug 2021 @ 4:32am

                      Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Interest in the event isn't

                      "I simply don't have the necessary money to do it properly"

                      itch.io did. Plenty of independent sites have done exactly that, many of whom use Google and Facebook effectively to advertise their brand, so that they make money as well instead of whining about how nobody's giving them free money.

                      What's your excuse? Well, other than the fact that you wasted a stupid amount of money for your doomed attempt on bus adverts to try and advertise a site, for which you have to post instructions on how to use your software here since the documentation and UI are so poor, to people who were never in the market for that site?

                      reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

                      • icon
                        tp (profile), 5 Aug 2021 @ 4:37am

                        Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Interest in the event is

                        itch.io did.

                        I tried itch, and it generated $2 for me. There's still plenty of distance to cover if you want to obtain the meals for those 8 years of restaurant visits.

                        reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

                        • icon
                          PaulT (profile), 5 Aug 2021 @ 11:06pm

                          Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Interest in the even

                          "I tried itch, and it generated $2 for me"

                          Yes, we've established that you're not very good at these things and fail even when the resources to succeed are handed to you on a plate. That doesn't undermine the viability of competing platforms, it just means that you are uniquely bad at it.

                          reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

                          • icon
                            tp (profile), 6 Aug 2021 @ 2:54am

                            Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Interest in the

                            fail even when the resources to succeed are handed to you on a plate.

                            What exactly is wrong with my itch.io dashboard... it looks like this: https://terop.itch.io/

                            Since you're so smart and would succeed in a heartbeat, please explain how many more games I need to publish, before I get one successful one?

                            reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

                            • icon
                              Tanner Andrews (profile), 6 Aug 2021 @ 5:18am

                              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Interest in

                              how many more games I need to publish, before I get one successful one

                              Not sure, but it might be just one, if that one was very good. On the other hand, a metric boatload of not-so-good games may only support you at the ``eating out of dumpsters'' level.

                              I think you may have a problem with your arguments generally, too. Neither Google, nor the other search engines, generate their value from creating content. Rather, the value from a search engine is that it has recently scoured the web and can tell me where to find the content in which I am interested.

                              As an example: if I want a great game of a particular genre, I might ask the search engine for such a thing. I would ask, not expecting Google or DuckDuckGo to have written such a game, but expecting rather that they will have links to people who comment on the greatness of particular games, and possibly links to the games themselves.

                              reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

                              • icon
                                tp (profile), 6 Aug 2021 @ 6:38pm

                                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Interest

                                Neither Google, nor the other search engines, generate their value from creating content.

                                The value comes from "large number of content available in their service". The fact that they didn't create the material themselves, means that they should really obtain license to display the material in their web page. Otherwise the people who actually created the material (and can only create small amount of content) need to compete against the large flood of content available in google search. This is why content owners are struggling currently, they need to compete against large chunk of (pirated) content, where owners of those websites failed to obtain even license to the content. Google search is one of the most eregious violators of that licensing requirement.

                                basically internet should be divided to two parts, one part containing services like google search where licenses are not being respected. And other part containing material that has been properly licensed. And then some balancing of perks and responsibilities need to happen between the two separate halves of the world.

                                Guess this is kinda wishful thinking.

                                Google search claimed that the large scale copyright infringement is necessary, and the robots.txt provided the answer to the problem. Anyone can choose to be removed from the search results. But how exactly does it solve the problem that my web page containing 170 demos/games need to compete against google search containing millions of content items?

                                reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

                                • icon
                                  Tanner Andrews (profile), 29 Aug 2021 @ 12:28am

                                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Inte

                                  The fact that they didn't create the material themselves, means that they should really obtain license to display the material in their web page. [ ... ]

                                  We are all probably dumber for having read this. And, under this theory, you probably need a license from me to have your computer display this response.

                                  Like I said above, the value comes from telling you where to find the stuff in which you are likely to be interested. Google do not create the content, any more than the guy at the gas station creates the store you are seeking, but they do provide value by giving directions.

                                  reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]

  • icon
    NaBUru38 (profile), 5 Aug 2021 @ 2:09pm

    The Olympics official YouTube account (https://www.youtube.com/c/Olympics/videos) is full of highlights videos of the Tokyo Olympics. But they are all geoblocked to specific regions. So sharing any of those videos on social media is futile, because most people won't have access to them.

    Meanwhile, the Olympics and Tokyo 2020 Twitter accounts have no highlights videos. And at https://olympics.com/tokyo-2020/en/news/videos/ there's only interviews.

    reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]


Add Your Comment

Have a Techdirt Account? Sign in now. Want one? Register here



Subscribe to the Techdirt Daily newsletter




Comment Options:

  • Use markdown. Use plain text.
  • Make this the First Word or Last Word. No thanks. (get credits or sign in to see balance)    
  • Remember name/email/url (set a cookie)

Close

Add A Reply

Have a Techdirt Account? Sign in now. Want one? Register here



Subscribe to the Techdirt Daily newsletter




Comment Options:

  • Use markdown. Use plain text.
  • Make this the First Word or Last Word. No thanks. (get credits or sign in to see balance)    
  • Remember name/email/url (set a cookie)

Follow Techdirt
Sponsored Promotion
Public Money, Public Code - Sign The Open Letter at publiccode.eu
Essential Reading
Techdirt Deals
Report this ad  |  Hide Techdirt ads
Techdirt Insider Chat
Recent Stories

This site, like most other sites on the web, uses cookies. For more information, see our privacy policy. Got it
Close

Email This

This feature is only available to registered users. Register or sign in to use it.