Techdirt Podcast Episode 283: Debating Section 230, With WIRED's Gilad Edelman

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It's no secret that we were not at all impressed with WIRED's recent cover story about Section 230. The resulting conversation sparked a Twitter debate with the story's author, Gilad Edelman, and we thought... why not bring it to the podcast? So on this week's episode, Gilad joins Mike to discuss and debate the story, our response, and Section 230.

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    Anonymous Coward, 18 May 2021 @ 7:31pm

    Yay! Having finally listened to the podcast...

    If it is not in the frame, it doesn't exist.
    -- F.W. Murnau, Shadow of the Vampire

    I believe Mr Edelman was entirely too dismissive of the comment, "It's not in the language of the bill."

    While judges will occasionally look beyond the direct language of the law, from what I have seen, this is by far the exception rather than the rule. Witness the vast number of CFAA claims that prosecutors have gotten away with. Witness cases decided by the punctuation in laws, for heaven's sake.

    The law is very much a set of rules like programming. Anything you don't consider in setting up the rules (laws) is going to come back to bite you. And the usual answer (that I've seen) to "this is what congress really meant" is "they make the laws, they can change it to read exactly that way."

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    Samuel Abram (profile), 19 May 2021 @ 1:36pm

    Having listened to the podcast…

    Having listened to the podcast, I got the feeling that Edelman put up a good fight but Mike Masnick was able to shoot down his points in a smart way. For instance, by bringing up the DMCA as an example of what a world with a weakened or nonexistent §230 would look like.

    While I don't agree with Mr. Masnick on everything, I do not want to get into a debate with him, because he'd probably win.

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    Dave Soenstine, 19 May 2021 @ 4:36pm

    Edelman argues like a dumbass

    My favorite arguments

    (Paraphrased)

    1.
    The text of the law says accepting payment to host content means you lose 230 immunity. But it only applies to advertising, 'cause that's what the author said on TV. It doesn't matter what the actual text says; that's not how laws work.

    2.
    Well Canada...

    What a DUMBASS!

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