DC Circuit Hears Oral Argument In The Constitutional Challenge Of FOSTA

from the cautious-optimism dept

It is impossible to read the tea leaves at an oral argument and come away with any dependable prediction of how the judges will rule. But at the oral argument last Friday at the DC Circuit it appeared that the judges at least understood what they needed to in order to rule in the plaintiffs' favor and revive their Constitutional challenge of FOSTA.

Which does not mean they necessarily agreed with the plaintiffs' argument for why the law is unconstitutional. But they don't have to right now. The only question before them was whether the plaintiffs have the standing needed to make that case.

The district court originally ruled that they did not. In its decision it basically said, "You've not been hurt, and, based on this particular way of reading the statute, you are not going to be hurt." At the hearing last week the DOJ continued to push this sort of reading, which would find the plaintiffs' activities to be beyond the statute's reach.

But, as the panel pointed out, the DOJ's reading of the statute was not the only possible reading of it. The court considered how so many others had read it, noting the changes Reddit had made and, in particular, how Craigslist had responded, which, the court recognized, also bore directly on one of the plaintiff's cited injuries. This plaintiff, Eric Koszyk, a masseuse, had been advertising without incident on Craigslist for 12 years. It was only after FOSTA was passed that this outlet disappeared as Craigslist deleted the sections he had used to advertise, with the statement that it hoped it could someday bring those now-deleted sections back. Surely this widespread reaction to FOSTA's passage is indicative of it presenting an actual risk of liability, the panel pressed. But the DOJ argued that such a conclusion was speculative. Furthermore, when Craigslist said it hoped it could someday bring its sections back, the DOJ argued, it was not a dig at FOSTA but merely an expression of the wish that someday Craigslist could be assured that its site wouldn't be abused.

Of course, given that every site is prone to abuse, which is why we have Section 230 in the first place, the DOJ's read of that comment is as suspect as its overly benign reading of FOSTA. But even if it were correct, on either front, it might not matter. As Judge Katsas observed, the question for the court to consider at this stage was whether the way the plaintiffs read the statute, prompting the fear of liability for its activities, is unreasonable. And at this stage, as Judge Griffith reminded, the case law told the court that it needed to "tread lightly." In other words, it was the government's burden to show that the plaintiffs' read of the statute was unreasonable, and it did not seem like the panel was convinced it had met it.

Especially not when, as Judge Katsas also noted, the DOJ would not be the only authority interpreting the statute. It's all well and good, the court seemed to say, that the DOJ said it would only enforce the statute in the limited way it represented to the court, but FOSTA is also going to be enforced in state courts in civil litigation and by state authorities who may well have their own read of the statute. The DOJ could not bind anyone involved with adjudicating those actions to read the statute the way it did.

It's also questionable whether the DOJ itself feels limited to a benign interpretation of FOSTA. At one point Judge Rogers stated a belief that there was never a suggestion that sex worker advocates would be prosecuted, to which the plaintiffs pointed out several ways the DOJ had already threatened to.

Much of the discussion ultimately hinged on the significance of the statutory language referencing the prostitution "of another person," and whether the "of another person" bit truly limited the scope of the statute. The court also spent time analyzing what the term "facilitating" meant, but no consensus was ever reached. Not only is there the general semantic question of whether the word "facilitating" can really be read as "aiding and abetting," but there is also the substantive question of what kind of behavior this "facilitating" language could still target. If there is a website where people teach sex workers how to use PayPal, thus buttressing their own agency and making them less likely to be exploited by pimps, is that still "facilitating" prostitution?

Also, one of the problems with FOSTA is that it makes a mess of mens rea by being unclear about how much knowledge a website can have about how users use their systems. Judge Katsas pointed out that a site like Backpage might not actually have knowledge of individual transactions, yet that's the sort of site the law ostensibly was intended to target. And if it could target Backpage even with this sort of attenuated knowledge of user activity, then whom else could it reach, and how would the plaintiffs not potentially fall within its sights? Judge Rogers commented that FOSTA would seem to catch anyone who simply wanted to make these unlawful acts safer.

Overall, though, the biggest takeaway from the hearing is that it is itself striking that three appellate judges and a very able DOJ lawyer could not come to a firm and shared conclusion about how the statute should be read. When some of the most capable legal minds in the country cannot come to such a consensus it is not a hallmark of a well-written or effective statute. It may in fact instead be evidence that it indeed poses a significant threat of constitutional injury that parties like the plaintiffs have standing to complain of, since no one can assure them that it doesn't.

Filed Under: dc circuit, fosta, harms, section 230, standing


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  • icon
    Ben (profile), 27 Sep 2019 @ 3:49pm

    Understatements

    it is not a hallmark of a well-written or effective statute

    So true on so many levels.

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      Anonymous Coward, 27 Sep 2019 @ 4:22pm

      Re: Understatements

      poorly written statutes/laws/regulations are commonplace, unfortunately

      Rule of Law demands that laws be readily understood by all reasonable citizens to which the laws may apply

      If a panel of Federal judges cannot reach unanimous consensus on the meaning of a specific law -- that is prima facie evidence that the law is null and void (unconstitutionally vague)

      If a law is officially "in doubt" by the courts -- there is no way to legally enforce it. legislators can try again, perhaps.

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        Anonymous Coward, 27 Sep 2019 @ 4:52pm

        Re: Re: Understatements

        Rule of Law demands that laws be readily understood by all reasonable citizens to which the laws may apply

        But not the cops that enforce them. That would be asking too much.

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        Anonymous Coward, 29 Sep 2019 @ 7:27am

        Re: Re: Understatements

        We should honestly have a panel of randomly selected High School graduates to read through and take tests on the statutes and laws passed. If they are unable to come to the correct conclusions for how the law was supposed to be interpreted, it clearly is not well written and has to go back to be rewritten. I would be 100% for the reading of all previous laws before every year of general assembly before any new business is begun. If this means that no new laws are ever written, that tells you a large amount of how outdated the government has become already.

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    Pixelation, 27 Sep 2019 @ 4:08pm

    I suppose

    This is what you get when a bunch of prostitutes write laws trying to stop prostitution.

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    Anonymous Coward, 27 Sep 2019 @ 5:22pm

    This plaintiff, Eric Koszyk, a masseuse, had been advertising without incident on Craigslist for 12 years.

    A masseur is male. A masseuse is female. Do I have to spell it out?

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      Pixelation, 27 Sep 2019 @ 5:51pm

      Re:

      "Do I have to spell it out?"

      No, but you're going to, aren't you?

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      Stephen T. Stone (profile), 27 Sep 2019 @ 6:01pm

      You just did, Mr. Passive Aggressive.

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      Anonymous Coward, 29 Sep 2019 @ 7:29am

      Re:

      Why are you making assumptions about Eric's gender? Aren't you aware that you can't do that anymore?

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        amoshias (profile), 29 Sep 2019 @ 3:06pm

        Re: Re:

        "Aren't you aware that you can't do that anymore?"
        You had a choice today between posting something that made you sound like an idiot and an asshole, or just keeping your mouth shut, and you chose wrong.

        I know, because I just failed the same choice.

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      bhull242 (profile), 2 Oct 2019 @ 10:17am

      Re:

      I’m a grammar Nazi myself, and even I think that you’re being pedantic. Lots of people call a male who professionally gives massages a “masseuse”, and I rarely hear the term “masseur”. If this was fiancé vs. fiancée or fireman v. firewoman or something, that’d be one thing, but this is something that isn’t commonly known to have gender distinctions and the distinction isn’t important.

      Admittedly, I originally thought that they were talking about a woman, but that was because I misread the name as “Erin”.

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    Anonymous Coward, 30 Sep 2019 @ 8:56am

    In the future, where we're all one Aiding and Abetting charge away from an Aiding and Abetting charge we can all be felons in the hands of an angry government.

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