Hollywood Using Trump To Undermine The Internet In NAFTA Talks

from the this-is-bad dept

As you may be aware, the US, Canada and Mexico are "renegotiating NAFTA" for reasons that don't entirely make sense, but we'll leave that aside. Either way, opening up that process has created an opportunity for Hollywood to attack the internet, and they've rushed right in. And, despite promises to the contrary, it appears that Hollywood may have succeeded in getting the Trump administration's US Trade Representative to back its dangerous plans.

To fully explain this requires a bit of a history lesson. A few decades back, Hollywood realized that what it couldn't get Congress to pass, it could force upon the US through "international trade agreements." Much of the history of what happened is detailed in the excellent 2002 book, Information Feudalism by Peter Drahos and John Braithwaite. The very short version is this: international trade agreements have mostly been negotiated without much fanfare or attention, often in secret, with handshake deals in backrooms. And since "trade agreements" are about industry and commerce, trade negotiators often spend most of their time listening to industry representatives to figure out what they want, rather than looking at what's best for everyone as a whole.

The legacy entertainment middlemen (very cleverly!) realized this long before many others did, and realized that if they could make copyright a "trade" issue, they could continually ratchet up the protectionist parts of copyright law. The plan involves a few clever components. First, find a few countries where they can convince local legislatures to pass ever more draconian copyright laws. Second, put pressure on trade negotiators to put similar provisions into trade agreements. Third, whine about countries (including the US) "failing to live up to the obligations of our international trade agreements" and forcing everyone to ratchet up their copyright laws to "comply." Wash, rinse, repeat.

This is actually how the DMCA itself became law in the US (which is ironic as you'll see in a moment). Hollywood tried to pass a DMCA-like law in the US in the mid-1990s and it failed. So, as the main architect of this plan publicly admitted a few years ago, they did "an end-run around Congress," ran to Geneva, and got a new trade agreement -- the WIPO Copyright Treaty -- passed. And then they scurried right back to Congress, and said to meet the obligations of the WIPO Copyright Treaty, we needed the DMCA.

Since then, Hollywood has pushed for draconian copyright requirements in basically every trade agreement, and the USTR was only too happy to oblige. Ridiculously, the USTR, while pushing ever more draconian copyright law around the globe through trade agreements, has flatly refused to also include fair use or equivalent "safety valves" to keep the law from being abused. Of course, as we've discussed for years, these "safety valves" -- generally called "limitations and exceptions" -- are actually fundamental user rights. In short: the USTR has pushed for rights for big corporations, while refusing to include the necessary rights for the public. That's a dangerous combination.

That brings us to the ongoing NAFTA renegotiation. Hollywood has been whining about the DMCA's safe harbors quite a bit in the past few years (yes, the same safe harbors that are from the DMCA that it forced the US to pass via international trade agreements). So far, however, heavy lobbying by the RIAA and MPAA to do away with the DMCA's safe harbors has failed to convince Congress (in part because Congress has seen through this game and, in part, because Congress still remembers what happened with its attempt to undermine the internet through copyright law with SOPA).

But, hey, with the reopening of NAFTA, Hollywood saw an opportunity, and has pushed for language that will undermine the DMCA's safe harbors and fair use -- things they can't get through Congress alone. Unfortunately, the latest reports are that the USTR has agreed to support this move and, even though it's been shown that more balanced copyright promotes trade, the US is now officially putting more draconian copyright on the agenda -- a move that risks undermining the entire internet, not to mention a major backlash from internet users as well.

Needless to say, this is bad. Some in Congress are speaking up on this, but it's falling along the traditional lines. Senator Ron Wyden has made it clear that he's "deeply concerned" that the Trump administration is willing "to undermine the internet as a platform for speech, innovation and US jobs" with the NAFTA renegotiation. On the flip side, you have Orrin Hatch -- a Senator so closely associated with giving the legacy entertainment industry everything it's ever wanted, that he's given the nickname "Senator Fido" (as in "lapdog") in Rob Reid's comic novel about the music industry. Hatch has spoken up in support of Hollywood, saying that while it's fine to reopen the DMCA's safe harbors, there should be no mention of fair use or any other user rights in these negotiations.

At this point, it appears that Canada is left pushing back on the US's crazy Hollywood-inspired demands. Of course, Canada's suggestions aren't all wonderful either, but at least it's pushing for a more balanced approach -- one that actually recognizes the rights of the public and the importance of protecting free speech, while the USTR (pushed by Hollywood) seems to have decided to throw that right out the window.

Obviously, there are so many other things going on these days, that it's easy to miss the background of "NAFTA 2.0" negotiations. But at this point, it appears that Trump's USTR -- at the urging of Hollywood -- is trying to use these negotiations to do real damage to free speech and innovation online. Taking away the DMCA's safe harbors and refusing to include important protections like fair use in any copyright language should be seen as a non-starter. As we've argued for years, copyright is best left out of trade agreements altogether, but if it does need to be in there, giving Hollywood it's wishlist plan to destroy the internet shouldn't be the USTR's top priority.


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    That One Guy (profile), 2 Oct 2017 @ 5:04am

    A perfect recipe for contempt

    Hatch has spoken up in support of Hollywood, saying that while it's fine to reopen the DMCA's safe harbors, there should be no mention of fair use or any other user rights in these negotiations.

    Disgusting, but not surprising. It's been crystal clear for years/decades that copyright maximalists and those that they own consider the public to be sources of income and little else. A party that should have no say in copyright law and certainly not on anything that might impact profits, and who should feel grateful for any any 'exceptions' like fair use that are graciously given them(until they are ground into the dust).

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      Anonymous Coward, 4 Oct 2017 @ 10:02am

      Re: A perfect recipe for contempt

      Hatch is an ongoing embarrassment. His eternal reelections demonstrate that a politician can be eyeballs deep political favor trading (corruption) and continue to remain.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 4 Oct 2017 @ 11:59am

      Re: A perfect recipe for contempt

      I've said it before and I'll say it again (as well as others like me): Take these idiots out the backdoor, into the street, and execute them. Do this enough times and they will stop. If they want to make money off of society, it's society's good will that will permit it. Nothing else. You want to fuck us all over? That good will goes away. It's time to put these assholes in their place.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 2 Oct 2017 @ 6:38am

    "for reasons that don't entirely make sense,"

    Ah... humanity in a nutshell

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    David, 2 Oct 2017 @ 6:54am

    Hard to blame Trump

    But at this point, it appears that Trump's USTR -- at the urging of Hollywood -- is trying to use these negotiations to do real damage to free speech and innovation online.

    That's not really much different to Obama's USTR. The best to be said about Obama is that you need to take something resembling a stand in order to be a push-over.

    Trump cannot be bothered to show enough interest for that. The end result is pretty much the same, with pretty much the same driving interests.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 2 Oct 2017 @ 7:21am

      Re: Hard to blame Trump

      This isn't about Obama, perhaps it is time to move on.

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      • identicon
        David, 2 Oct 2017 @ 7:53am

        Re: Re: Hard to blame Trump

        It isn't much about Trump either, so "Trump's USTR" seems like more of moving on than warranted.

        Basically it's the same people who are to blame as before, even though different presidents are to blame for letting them carry on.

        "Trump's USTR" sounds like a solution would involve firing Trump when it's really the USTR one needs to get fired here.

        Of course, after doing that, the replacement would then likely indeed be "Trump's USTR" and that's unlikely to be an improvement. But so far, the problem is just the good old USTR, never mind whose.

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          crade (profile), 2 Oct 2017 @ 8:07am

          Re: Re: Re: Hard to blame Trump

          It's Trump's administration. Play the blame game all you want, but Obama is out and can't do jack shit and Trump is in and *can*. "Trump's USTR" means Trump is president, can affect change and is responsible for not doing so. It means if the USTR needs to be fired, Trump is the one who needs to do so, if he isn't doing so, it's on him.

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          • identicon
            Anonymous Coward, 2 Oct 2017 @ 8:49am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Hard to blame Trump

            Trump has always been a businessman. That's why I don't think anyone can convince him that the individual users are worth upsetting so many big businesses.

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              crade (profile), 2 Oct 2017 @ 9:17am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hard to blame Trump

              I'm not sure if by this statement you are trying to say you think businessmen default to giving handouts to other businesses or you think he is getting something in exchange?

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              • identicon
                Anonymous Coward, 2 Oct 2017 @ 3:35pm

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hard to blame Trump

                What do you think Donald Trump cares about most? I think it's the business interests of the United States, which he equates with success as a person and now as a President.

                He's tried to makes moves that will, at least to his mind, improve the business possibilities of Americans, from day one. If you look at him running the country just like an extremely large business, most of the moves he's made, whether people agree with him or not, make sense.

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                • identicon
                  Wendy Cockcroft, 3 Oct 2017 @ 2:40am

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hard to blame Trump

                  Yeah... he's running the country like his own business, which means it's for his own interests, hence the weekly trips to Mar-a-Lago. Hence the use of his own properties instead of Camp David to host foreign visitors. Lining his own pockets on your dime makes good business sense, right?

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                  • identicon
                    Anonymous Coward, 3 Oct 2017 @ 12:01pm

                    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hard to blame Trump

                    Just because the moves make sense for what I think his mindset is, doesn't mean I think they're *good* moves. There's too many subtle issues he'll end up completely steam-rolling over because he *cannot* understand them on a human condition level.

                    American business is honest-to-goodness dog-eat-dog tradition and damn you for saying it would ruin anybody or anything! /s

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                  crade (profile), 3 Oct 2017 @ 6:46am

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hard to blame Trump

                  Honestly I think Trump cares about his own fame and short term appearances.

                  You don't give gifts to established players if you care about the business possibilities of americans.

                  No, if you look at him running the country like a business his moves certainly make no sense. Nothing he has done has made any sort of monetary profit for the country, or even seemed like he might be trying to do so which is the only goal in business. A business would not be interested in creating jobs as he claims he most wants to do. Jobs cost businesses money, a business wants efficiency. Cutting taxes as he claims to be doing is cutting your revenue stream which no business will ever do intentionally. All the immigration stuff doesn't really make any sense if you look at it like he is running a business either.

                  I can see where you are coming from in regards to the NAFTA stuff (although I think he is grossly underestimating Canada's ability and willingness to find other trade partners), but it really doesn't apply to anything else he is doing.

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            • identicon
              Anonymous Coward, 2 Oct 2017 @ 10:44am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Hard to blame Trump

              "Trump has always been a businessman."

              And not a very good one

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          • identicon
            Anonymous Coward, 4 Oct 2017 @ 10:53am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: Hard to blame Trump

            Yes, Obama is gone. The damages he inflicted is already done. We need to pay attention to the current administration and the damages presently being done.

            Partisan politics are deadly to this nation.

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        • identicon
          Anonymous Coward, 2 Oct 2017 @ 10:43am

          Re: Re: Re: Hard to blame Trump

          "Basically it's the same people who are to blame as before, even though different presidents are to blame for letting them carry on."

          Perhaps you should've stated that to begin with.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 2 Oct 2017 @ 1:16pm

      Re: Hard to blame Trump

      Except he's the guy and the party who bashes 'Hollywood Elites' on a regular basis.

      And then he goes and does a 180 and does exactly what the 'Hollywood Elites' want.

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        David, 2 Oct 2017 @ 4:18pm

        Re: Re: Hard to blame Trump

        Honestly? "And then he goes and does a 180" is again something I'd rather characterize Obama with than Trump. Trump goes off in so many directions at once that pinpointing "a 180" is not all that easy.

        Obama's been a Nobel Peace Prize sized disappointment, but I was scared silly of Trump already before he got elected.

        It was much more obvious what parts of Trump's propaganda were clearly lies to start with.

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        • identicon
          Anonymous Coward, 3 Oct 2017 @ 7:13am

          Re: Re: Re: Hard to blame Trump

          Who cares? Trump/Obama/Mickey Mouse they're all one and the same. Once this legislation is enacted we are all screwed! We'll be reduced to watching sequels of sequels! Are you ready for Jaws #666 or Rocky #1,234?

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        • identicon
          Anonymous Coward, 3 Oct 2017 @ 7:17am

          Re: Re: Re: Hard to blame Trump

          Yes, the divide and conquer approach works well doesn't it?

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    • identicon
      Thad, 2 Oct 2017 @ 4:51pm

      Re: Hard to blame Trump

      You've convinced me.

      I definitely won't be voting for Obama in 2020.

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    Anonymous Coward, 2 Oct 2017 @ 7:07am

    been saying for years that the main aim of Hollywood and the entertainment industries is to take complete control of the Internet and i have always been shouted down. what the hell do people think is going to happen to the Internet once these demands come into force, as surely they will, because no one seems to have the balls or the intelligence to do anything about it! it took such a massive public outcry to stop SOPA, an outcry that shouldn't have even been needed because SOPA and every 'deal' like it should never get off the ground. yet, once again, here we are with the USTR right in the forefront of doing what the entertainment industries demand! has anyone ever looked into what is being given by the industries to have their agenda continuously pushed? what are the heads of USTR getting? no one, surely, does this for no personal reason or reward and in particular when everything relating to fairness and the public is continuously ignored!
    once they have this, then, as stated, there will be so much lost, even more than has been lost up til now, all to the the same industries and if no one can see or accept that the motivation behind what is happening is total control of what can/cant happen on the best distribution and information method invented to date, just to preserve a particular industry at the expense of everything else on the Planet, then you need to wake up and smell the coffee, because you wont even be able to do that soon, unless, of course, you're prepared to pay the extortionate price that Hollywood is going to demand!!

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 2 Oct 2017 @ 9:44am

      Re:

      Okay, stop. Close your eyes. Inhale. Exhale. Inhale. Exhale. Inhale. Exhale. Now open your eyes.

      You're not going to convince anyone of anything with a wall of text that is poorly paragraphed, littered with superfluous exclamation points, and boils down to "I told you so!"

      Take a few breaths. Make your points emphatically but empathetically; provide context and supporting documentation from reliable sources; get someone to proofread it before you post. It will get frustrating, but if you put in the effort to draw people in, and are proven right in your predictions, people will remember what you've said without you having to gloat.

      Frankly, right now you're coming across as a paranoid conspiracy theorist. 6-line, 100-word run-on sentences with inconsistent capitalization and a dystopian tenor are going to do that. If you want people to take your warnings seriously, you're going to have to make yourself look like someone to be taken seriously. The medium is the message, and all that, and again, the message that your medium sends is that you would fit in well with the flat-earthers, 9/11 truthers, and birthers.

      You may be right, but what good is being right if no one takes you seriously enough to listen to your warnings?

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 2 Oct 2017 @ 7:49am

    It's our fault

    We keep demanding more and more entertainment product. Somehow we're surprised when they start behaving badly when there's not accountability, kind of like drug cartels. (Generally speaking, not specifically. Obviously the MPAA has never left anyone's head in an ice chest.)

    The only solution is to stop making it so damn important to ourselves to have constant, new, expensive entertainment. Go make something, go build something, go be productive.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 2 Oct 2017 @ 7:59am

      Re: It's our fault

      You are wrong. The objective of the legacy publishers, labels and studios is to restore their position as the choosers and publishers of all content made available to the public. The reason that they are desperate to control the Internet is that the self publishers are eating into their market. The amount of new and legal content published to the Internet every day far exceeds the output of the legacy industries, and they fear that they will sink under that mass of publications.

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      • identicon
        Vel the Engimatic, 2 Oct 2017 @ 8:06am

        Re: Re: It's our fault

        They eventually will.Putting shit like this into the NAFTA renegotiations is only a stop-gap for an already sinking ship.

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        NeghVar (profile), 2 Oct 2017 @ 8:32am

        Re: Re: It's our fault

        This is what I have been saying for about 15 years now. The big picture of big media's crusade is to prevent artist from working directly with the consumer. Thus bypassing the publishers. The internet allows it and they seek to destroy it by whatever means necessary or gain full control of it.

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    • identicon
      David, 2 Oct 2017 @ 8:23am

      Re: It's our fault

      (Generally speaking, not specifically. Obviously the MPAA has never left anyone's head in an ice chest.)

      With the kind of dollar amounts they are handling, the right heads turn up in ice chests on their own without requiring specific instructions.

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      • identicon
        Anonymous Coward, 2 Oct 2017 @ 9:45am

        Re: Re: It's our fault

        the right heads turn up in ice chests on their own without requiring specific instructions

        Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?

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        • identicon
          Anonymous Coward, 4 Oct 2017 @ 3:33am

          Re: Re: Re: It's our fault

          This isn't about you. If you find a post offensive either don't read it or flag it. David's name is clearly visible, so you have to read his posts.

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      NeghVar (profile), 2 Oct 2017 @ 8:40am

      Re: It's our fault

      This is what I have been saying for about 15 years now. The big picture of big media's crusade is to prevent artist from working directly with the consumer. Thus bypassing the publishers. The internet allows it and they seek to destroy it by whatever means necessary or gain full control of it.

      And it is

      The fault is ours, but it is not as you describe. We keep reelecting the same corrupt politicians every two or six years. Many say they are the only option on the ballad. Not true in all cases. Some have ballads have a "never heard of him/ her" type person listed on the ballads. But as elections come around again, we become these programmable drones to elect the familiar name. Then a month after the election we get pissed off at them again and the cycle continues.

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        Anonymous Coward, 4 Oct 2017 @ 12:12pm

        Re: Re: It's our fault

        The fault is ours

        Stopped reading right there.

        You think it's so easy to get rid of the corrupt idiots? GO DO IT THEN, and stop whining. When you finally figure out the corruption has spread so far and is so systemic at this point that no amount of voting will fix it, and that you have a completely apathetic public with the same mindset of "Got mine, F' yours", I'll be waiting for your rant of "We get what we deserve (with sarcastic doom and gloom)" to be posted.

        You want to do something worth while? How about drumming up support for the cause on Facebook? Or yelling down a frantic fox news acolyte objecting to basic facts of reality? Coming to a place like techdirt to make this post is preaching to the choir.

        Now if you'll excuse me, I've got some red state idiots to go yell at.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 2 Oct 2017 @ 10:47am

      Re: It's our fault

      "We keep demanding more and more entertainment product"

      I haven't. Ubiquitous use of the word "we" is lame at best.

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    Advocate (profile), 2 Oct 2017 @ 8:06am

    All rights are being legislated and defined out of the constitution, and by extension, reality.

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    Anonymous Coward, 2 Oct 2017 @ 8:41am

    The folly of Internet-driven commerce and community is this, and always will be:

    The individual people, not the companies, make the real value.

    The moment that regular Average Jo can no longer have a say, its value to the greater populace goes down drastically.

    We know what the media wants, they're everywhere already. It's their stranglehold on narratives that makes us want the things they tell us we "shouldn't".

    The Internet is the (relatively) free space where we escaped from the brick-walled prisons of modern media like TV, newspapers and radio.

    I think the Internet also functions as a safety valve, too: it safely contains all the evils of humanity in their words and imaginations, and these people feel less compelled to act out on the streets as a result.

    If regular people can't have input on decisions like these, things will get ugly. Human culture and creativity will definitely suffer more, because it's our nature to build on what has already been created.

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    Annonymouse, 2 Oct 2017 @ 9:57am

    I wonder if the terrorism and treason laws could be applied to big media?

    Any armchair lawyer types willing to take a stab?

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    ECA (profile), 2 Oct 2017 @ 2:32pm

    BEFORE NAFTA...and after..

    Lets see...
    Before nafta, the USA gov. PAID corps to Jump to mexico to create jobs...to SLOW down the migrants..
    Which gave the corps and Groups the ability to SIT OUT SIDE and take the money of the employees...

    AFTER..
    It became WORSE..
    NO pollution controls, No corporate restriction on Wages or how much damage they can CAUSE to anther nation..and the ONLY RECOURSE Mexico has is NOT TO GOTO COURT..because the USA is backing the corps in another nation..

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  • identicon
    DaveInCanada, 3 Oct 2017 @ 12:43am

    Who's the good guys?

    So...Go Canada?

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