German Court Bans Google From Linking To Lumen Database Showing Takedown Notices

from the no-transparency-for-you dept

Another day, another bad copyright ruling out of Germany. What's up with Germany these days? Specifically, the court has barred Google from linking to the Lumen Database when it takes down content. This is bad on a variety of levels, but first some background: Lumen Database is what was formerly known as "Chilling Effects" -- a site to catalog DMCA and other kinds of takedowns (though most people focus on the DMCA ones). It has been tremendously useful over the years in all sorts of ways, especially concerning academic research into how the DMCA takedown process is actually working. It's often how we discover examples of takedown abuse.

However, for many years, the legacy entertainment industry has complained (and complained and complained) about the very existence of the Lumen Database. Their main (stated) reasoning is that it creates a database of links to infringing material -- though I'm sure the fact that it's been so useful in highlighting all of the abuse of the DMCA takedown process is a secondary (though less publicly admitted) reason for why they dislike it so much. The problem with this complaint is that there is literally zero evidence that Lumen Database is regularly used as a source for infringing materials. If you ask people who focus on this stuff, it's just not a site that comes up. Because it's really not particularly useful for that kind of thing. Either way, Lumen Database has made some efforts to reduce the visibility of links in its database in an attempt to mollify complainers.

But the anger ratcheted up even more once Google attempted to provide more transparency into the takedowns it receives and how it deals with them. Among the things Google has done is forward all of its takedown notices to the Lumen Database, release a special transparency report focused specifically on copyright takedowns (and letting people search through its database), and finally also then linking to the takedowns in the Lumen Database when it does remove content. The reasoning for this is completely obvious and sensible. If content is being removed, it is appropriate to learn why. The takedown notice provides those details and also helps people make sure that when the takedown notices are abused for censorship, it is more quickly discovered and fixed.

However, again, this linking from Google to Lumen Database has completely freaked out a segment of the copyright maximalist community -- as they insist that people are doing searches, failing to find what they want, clicking the little link to Lumen and then skimming the takedown letter to find the URLs where the content they want supposedly exists. Again, there is little evidence that this is happening at all, let alone on a wide scale. For what it's worth, it does appear that when takedowns target Google, many also target the original source, which takes down the original as well, meaning there's nothing at the links anyway.

Apparently, none of this much mattered to the court. It bought the silly line how this might be used for finding infringing content and ran with it. This particular case doesn't even involve copyright infringement, but a takedown demand from a company that was upset about the way the Google snippet appeared -- which already sounds pretty crazy. From the IP Kitten site linked above:

The claimant in this case is a German company. When entering the combination of the company‘s name and the words ‘suspected fraud’ (original: ‘Betrugsverdacht’) in a Google search, the results would show four snippets containing the company’s name and the words ‘suspected fraud, public prosecutor is investigating’ as news headlines. However, the company was not being investigated for fraud (§ 263 StGB - German criminal code), but for investment fraud (§ 264a StGB). While both crimes are fraud-related, the legal requirements for investment fraud are very different from regular fraud. In particular, in case of investment fraud, no deception needs to have taken place (yet) and no damage needs to have occurred.

Thus, the statement that the company was being investigated because of fraud was false. Under German law, making such a false claim about a company could infringe the company‘s right of publicity. This led to a first court case between the parties, in which Google was ordered by the regional court of Munich (case no. 25 O 3214/17) to stop showing the website(s) with the infringing text in its search results.

Again, think through the circumstances here. (1) This wasn't when you searched on the company name, but only the company name plus "suspected fraud." (2) The company was being investigated for investment fraud, but apparently a different kind of fraud than just plain old "fraud" and somehow that was a problem? (3) Anyone who did this search could then do their own research to figure out the situation. Google shouldn't be responsible for people failing to read or research the details. But, no, the court ordered Google to remove. This seems like fairly blatant censorship of information that could be quite useful to the public.

Either way, after Google lost the original case, it removed the snippet and forwarded the details to Lumen, as it does with all takedown demands. And the company at issue went back to court to complain about this fairly basic level of necessary transparency. And while Google won the first round, on appeal, the court went the other way. Back to IP Kitten:

the Higher Regional Court found that Google’s main function that needs to be considered here is not the provision of a (direct) hyperlink to the infringing statement, but rather the provision of a search function that enables users to find the (otherwise hard to find) website. By presenting its users an explanation about the deleted search result, combined with a hyperlink to the Lumen website where the deleted search result could be clicked, Google (still) enabled users to find and read the infringing statements, even after being ordered by a court to discontinue doing so. The court found that it made no difference whether one or two clicks are needed to get to the result.

The author at IP Kitten thinks this result makes sense, but I can't see how it makes any amount of sense at all. Beyond the problems discussed above, the issue here is again about a just slightly misleading claim made by a third party who has nothing to do with this lawsuit. If the company has an issue, it should be with that party, and not Google, who is just one tool to find stuff online, and which already required a convoluted search to find. The fact that, in an effort to be transparent, a user might have to jump through a bunch of additional steps just to find an article isn't a problem. Again, people should do their own research. Google shouldn't be responsible for someone failing to do that.

But, it appears, in Germany, Google now is responsible for making sure that you don't read badly written articles.


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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 15 Jun 2017 @ 12:11pm

    as they insist that people are doing searches, failing to find what they want, clicking the little link to Lumen and then skimming the takedown letter to find the URLs where the content they want supposedly exists.

    Based on the reports I have seen about the quality of these takedown notices, that seems like a losing strategy for would-be infringers. Takedown notices are frequently cluttered with garbage links that, if they point to anything at all, point not to the allegedly infringed material, but instead to something with a vaguely similar name or URL (in many cases laughably vague). Would-be infringers would be far better off searching sites dedicated to infringement than they would be by trying to repurpose takedown notices as an index of infringeable content.

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    Anonymous Coward, 15 Jun 2017 @ 12:12pm

    If someone posted the database link on paper such as a major magazine/newspaper, how would they apply the right to be forgotten to it? Or at a minimum demand that the link not be made public?

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    UniKyrn, 15 Jun 2017 @ 12:15pm

    What's up with Germany these days?

    You misspelled "decades". This is the country that made complaining about email spam illegal because you were violating the copyright of the spammer by forwarding their message in your complaint.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 15 Jun 2017 @ 12:26pm

      Re: What's up with Germany these days?

      You misspelled "decades". This is the country that made complaining about email spam illegal because you were violating the copyright of the spammer by forwarding their message in your complaint.

      Copyright love goes back some time in Germany. Hitler was a big fan. He even copyrighted Mein Kampf.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 15 Jun 2017 @ 12:16pm

    They have nothing to fear if they have nothing to hide, what are they hiding? Sounds like a cover up.

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  • identicon
    YaTOG, 15 Jun 2017 @ 1:08pm

    Turn off Google in Germany, close offices.

    Then, proceed as normal.
    Wait until the German people go after the judge to change their mind, then return to business as usual.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 15 Jun 2017 @ 1:13pm

    Google should delist everything German for 1 year

    Google honestly should stop cowtowing to these non technical morons and cease allowing any german sites to be listed for 1 year. No news, science articles, or anything. Germany will have to vacate all of these incomprehensible rulings in order to have a chance of re-establishing Google services. The world doesn't need Germany, or any other country trying to dictate what can and can't be done on the internet.

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 15 Jun 2017 @ 2:43pm

      Re: Google should delist everything German for 1 year

      So the world doesn't need the EU, UK, or US. Good to know.

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      • identicon
        Anonymous Coward, 15 Jun 2017 @ 4:55pm

        Re: Re: Google should delist everything German for 1 year

        So the world doesn't need the EU, UK, or US trying to dictate what can and can't be done on the internet. Good to know.

        FTFY.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 15 Jun 2017 @ 1:39pm

    Business as usual. First we introduce secret legal documents/arguments/evidence (to fight terrorism, because nobody can argue with that), and now we extend that to insert other legal area here because we already have the precedent in place.

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    Anonmylous, 15 Jun 2017 @ 1:53pm

    Slippery slope

    By presenting its users an explanation about the deleted search result, combined with a hyperlink to the Lumen website where the deleted search result could be clicked, Google (still) enabled users to find and read the infringing statements, even after being ordered by a court to discontinue doing so. The court found that it made no difference whether one or two clicks are needed to get to the result."

    By that logic, allowing Google to allow Lumen to show up at all in search results still enables users to find and read the infringing statements. It makes no difference whether a few keystrokes more are needed, they still get there first via Google.

    Then again, if no one had internet access in the entire country, they could never find these statements at all! And only terrorists would use encryption... or the internet! Shit Germany, you might be onto something! Quick, someone send a telegram to Merkel!

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 15 Jun 2017 @ 9:19pm

      Re: Slippery slope

      Shit Germany, you might be onto something! Quick, someone send a telegram to Merkel!

      And....: "Only terrorists would use a telegram in this day and age."

      That's all fun and games until you realize that the real meaning is: "Anything not explicitly approved by those in power is forbidden."

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 15 Jun 2017 @ 2:35pm

    Germany wants to censor things without public knowledge that they have done so. While at the same time, they comb thru everyone's private information with little to no oversight. I'm certain that Germany is not alone in this desire to totally dominate the public without their knowledge.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 15 Jun 2017 @ 3:42pm

    ROTFL

    There are ways around that. Just start creating random domain names and linking to the content that way. Does Germany's copyright assholes think that this will stop people from finding such links? Just create a website that links to the Chilling Effects notices and then link to the site that is hosting those links to Chilling Effects.

    LOLS

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 15 Jun 2017 @ 4:34pm

    Another day, another bad copyright ruling out of Germany. What's up with Germany these days?

    It's the country that gave the world GEMA; I sincerely hope that question was rhetorical.

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    stderric (profile), 15 Jun 2017 @ 5:22pm

    So is this some sort of weird Germanic judo? An 'involuntary 2nd-party reverse right to be forgotten'?

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    OldMugwump (profile), 15 Jun 2017 @ 5:55pm

    Talk about Streisand Effect!

    I had no idea that if you clicked on those "there are more results but DMCA takedown" messages you'd find links to the original source.

    Now I know. Thanks, Germany!

    Google should just link to a Wikipedia page explaining all this. Including how to search Lumina for those links...

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 15 Jun 2017 @ 6:11pm

    This is censorship. Plain and simple.

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    Ryunosuke (profile), 15 Jun 2017 @ 6:56pm

    sounds like Germany needs a new Google, maybe something to tie it to it's past, we could call it Goygle

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    My_Name_Here, 16 Jun 2017 @ 5:03am

    *sigh*

    You guys are pretty predictable on this one. Too bad you don't appear to have though about things for a moment.

    Lumen as a concept is a good idea, transparency and all. But if you remove a link because of a legal issue, moving it another site / page and linking to it doesn't make it go away, it makes it at best marginally harder to see.

    It is important to remember that the links to lumen come up on those particular searches. Anyone with a small amount of curiosity will go look and boom, get to the same material that was ordered removed.

    The quest for transparency instead makes a mockery of the courts judgement. It highlights the removal and makes it perhaps even more "juicy" and interesting.

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Jun 2017 @ 12:32pm

      Re: *sigh*

      What with the sheer number of takedown requests issued for the purpose of abusive censorship, transparency is indeed something to strive for.

      The court's extremely poor judgement in this case is something to be made a mockery of anyways. Like many other takedowns this is obviously an attempt to censor something that qualifies as freedom of press or free speech for the sake of doing public relations damage control (if accuracy was what they cared about they would have asked the articles to issue a correction).

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      My_Name_Here, 16 Jun 2017 @ 8:53pm

      Re: *sigh*

      Leigh, seriously, enough of this shit. Stop making me look like a cunt!

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 16 Jun 2017 @ 8:56pm

      Re: *sigh*

      Let's see... responded to within 24 hours. Obviously a fake nick.

      Reported for fake.

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