Why Didn't The MPAA Weigh In On Garcia v. Google?

from the couldn't-bring-themselves-to-support-google? dept

We already mentioned the amicus brief we submitted about the risks concerning intermediary liability (authored by lawyer Cathy Gellis) in the Garcia v. Google case. In it, we noted that the 9th Circuit had set up a page where all such filings are listed and that we planned to write about some of the other briefs. Of course Eric Goldman beat me to it, discussing all of the various amicus briefs and what they focus on. In short, though:
  • Public Citizen's brief, submitted a while ago, focuses on whether or not an injunction against Google is appropriate, and explains why it is not.
  • An excellent brief from EFF, ACLU, Public Knowledge, CDT, New Media Rights, American Library Association and the Association of Research Libraries covers a lot of ground in under 2,500 words, highlighting the "novel" nature of the copyright claim and its "dangerous implications." It also highlights how the focus on the potential harms to Garcia are not copyright-related harms. Finally, it notes that the gag order Kozinski ordered was unconstitutional.
  • A bunch of news organizations, including the LA Times, the Washington Post, NPR, Scripps, Advance Publications, the California Newspaper Association, RCFP, First Amendment Coalition and DMLP, submitted a brief on both the First Amendment issues raised by the ruling, and how it might lead to news organizations being blocked from publishing newsworthy content.
  • A separate brief from California broadcasters focused on the oddity of Kozinski's interpretation of copyright law, and how that will "create confusion."
  • Another fantastic brief comes from a variety of tech companies, including Twitter, Automattic, Kickstarter, Facebook, Yahoo, Tumblr, eBay, Adobe, IAC, Gawker and Pinterest. It highlights how the injunction goes way beyond what the law allows, placing (again, as we noted in our brief) tremendous liability on intermediaries, such as requiring them to block all future uploads. It also challenges the gag order that was originally placed on Google as setting a very dangerous precedent.
  • Then we have the academics. A brief from internet law professors (written by Eric Goldman and Venkat Balasubramani, but signed by many more) covers the intermediary liability issue (like ours did) and highlights how this appears to be Garcia trying to use copyright as an end-run around Section 230.
  • Then there's a brief from IP law professors (written by Christopher Newman, Chris Sprigman and Julie Ahrens but signed by many more) focusing on the core ridiculousness of the claim that Garcia has a legitimate copyright interest in her performance. As they note: "the panel opinion in this case makes new law with corrosive implications for these foundational principles of copyright law."
  • Netflix weighed in to point out that this creates a "new species of copyright" and would give "an effective veto right to any performer."
  • Finally, a bunch of independent filmmakers, including the International Documentary Association, Film Independent, Morgan Spurlock and Fredrik Gertten, all submitted a brief about the "chaos" this will cause for filmmakers.
The last one is especially powerful and worth reading. But those final two -- from Netflix and those indie filmmakers -- actually highlight a glaring omission: Where is the MPAA? As we noted when the original ruling came out, it was so bad and so ridiculous that it ought to have actually united Google and the MPAA on a single copyright issue. Because if it stands, both will suffer greatly.

And yet, so far, the MPAA appears to be sitting this one out. Eric Goldman, in his post, speculated as to possible reasons, none of which look good for the MPAA:
Noticeably absent from the amicus brief roster are the big entertainment companies, such as the major movie studios and the record labels. Given that this case involves video production, something Google/YouTube don’t know much about, where are the real experts on this topic? One possibility is that they are hubristic enough to believe that they run such a tight legal ship that they will never run into problems with the court’s holding. Another possibility is that they are spiteful enough to delight in Google’s misery, even if the rule ultimately hurts them too (i.e., the enemy of my enemy is my friend). Yet another possibility is that they are happy to free-ride on Google’s efforts, getting all the benefit of Google fixing the law without any of the financial or reputational costs of siding against Garcia or supporting a deceitful rogue film producer. Whatever the reason, I can’t say that I favorably regard their decision to stand on the sidelines as the Ninth Circuit is trying to wreck their industry.
It is quite a glaring absence.

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 18th, 2014 @ 12:40pm

    I have to wonder...

    What if this is all a plot by Kozinski? His ruling are generally fair and on target right?

    What if he planned all this out.

    Plan:
    Turn a copyright lawsuit into a judicial bandage for the failing of congress

    Steps:
    1. Make a completely ridiculous ruling in a copyright case that will be able to unite all major players in the copyright industries, new and old.

    2. Stand firm even while even your own fellow Circuit Judges think you have lost your marbles and keep insisting you are right.

    3. Get the ruling overturned after passing it to SCOTUS

    4. SCOTUS finally sees how stupid copyright law is and how inept congress is in this area

    5. FORCED REFORM!

    Maybe...?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 18th, 2014 @ 12:46pm

    Not a glaring absence, an obvious one. Why go on record one supporting one side of this argument when the other side might suit you better next week? Not that being self-contradictory has stopped them before, but maybe they've been reading this blog and are catching on.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 18th, 2014 @ 12:46pm

    Silence is damaging too

    In this day and age, silence can be immensely damaging to one's reputation as well.

    I sincerely hope someone tries to pull this stunt against the likes of Disney so that we can see just how out of balance the reaction is when one of their own is in jeopardy.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 18th, 2014 @ 12:49pm

    Because they know she's crazy to make such a claim?

    Let's face it: you're mad they *didn't* file one, since you would have loved to crawl up their ass about it.

    You still like to pretend people aren't *completely* aware that you're a bullshitter, don't you, Masnick?

    The comedy never stops at Techdirt.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 18th, 2014 @ 12:58pm

    Re: Silence is damaging too

    A theoretical possibility.
    The bid studios have the lawyers to ensure that any contract awarded to an actor/actress is heavily biased in the studios favor. Because of this the big names demand what they think they are worth up-front. However an independent producer may not be as careful with contracts, therefore if this decision stands they could possibly stir up trouble if an independent film producers starts to become a threat to their business, or too successful, by talking to the actors/actresses and offering them carrots to take legal action.

     

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    That One Guy (profile), Apr 18th, 2014 @ 1:15pm

    Re: I have to wonder...

    Would make for an interesting scheme, but given it relies on the SC acting sane with regards to copyright, and ruling widely enough to affect more than this one case, it would also be a dicey plan to say the least.

    And that's assuming the SC didn't just punt it back down for the lower courts to fight over, these days they don't really seem to care much for doing their jobs, much like the rest of the government.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 18th, 2014 @ 1:30pm

    What if it's a crooked game?

    There's some old advice about what to do when you find yourself in a crooked poker game:
    “Get out!”
    Use any excuse possible. Just get out of the game and walk away. Don't —whatever you do— don't call the other players on their cheating. Just get out and walk away.



    You've got to admit that this whole situation has looked fishy as all hell from the get-go. If the movie studios look at what's going on and if they see a crooked game…   …well, you can't blame 'em for just walking the other way.

    It's good advice.

     

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    That One Guy (profile), Apr 18th, 2014 @ 1:37pm

    Re: What if it's a crooked game?

    Thing is though, you walk out of a crooked poker game, that's it, it can't affect you past that. Walking away from a court case that can very much affect you in the future though? That's not 'good advice', that's sheer stupidity and/or hubris.

     

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    MadAsASnake (profile), Apr 18th, 2014 @ 1:39pm

    Why is it assumed MPAA actually represents studio interests

    It strikes me that the MPAA does not really represent studio interests. Like NSA/FBI fixation on "collect it all", MPAA has for some years been totally absorbed in "defeating piracy". It's revenue is from the studios and the measure seems to be how many noxious laws they can cajole through legislatures, how many competitors they can burn and so on. This war on "piracy" does not appear to serve the real long term objectives of the studios, only the payments to the MPAA. MPAA is uninterested because fighting this does not fit the MPAA's current monomaniacal agenda. The studios really should be asking why they pay the MPAA.

     

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    any moose cow word, Apr 18th, 2014 @ 1:46pm

    Re: I have to wonder...

    This SCOTUS? Doubt it. They'll either make a narrow ruling that totally dodges the underlying issues or punt it back to the lower court, or even congress.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 18th, 2014 @ 2:07pm

    Maybe the MPAA is drooling so much over the idea that the courts are forcing Google to police the internet that they are willing to ignore the damage to themselves?

     

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    Mike Masnick (profile), Apr 18th, 2014 @ 2:49pm

    Re: I have to wonder...

    Maybe...?


    No chance in hell.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 18th, 2014 @ 3:13pm

    The reason is pretty clear why the MPAA didn't join in , There's no monetary value/gain in it for them , mark my words, if they even remotely thought there was some financial gain involved ,they'd of been all over it.

     

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    avideogameplayer, Apr 18th, 2014 @ 4:50pm

    Two reasons the MAFIAA doesn't want to get involved:

    1. If they side with Google, it'll appear that maybe Google isn't so bad after all...

    2. Siding with Garcia would definitely wreck whatever image they might have left...

    One possible outcome (this is a definite worse case scenario):

    Garcia wins lawsuit and you'll have every two bit actor/actress/etc., lining up to sue anyone and everyone (Google included) for their shares of royalties, fees and anything else they can think of...

    And don't forget that Hollywood lobbied for a near century copyright length, so you might see some old timers from 19-so and so crawl out of the wood work for a chunk of the pie...

    Let's not even think about collateral damage and censorship that might ensue...

    Congress won't be able to fix this mess to keep damages to a minimum...

    So this will be an interesting ruling, either way...

     

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    Lawrence D’Oliveiro, Apr 18th, 2014 @ 4:55pm

    Re: Why is it assumed MPAA actually represents studio interests

    Because it is set up and run by the studios, for the studios.

     

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    Mike Masnick (profile), Apr 18th, 2014 @ 5:20pm

    Re:

    Because they know she's crazy to make such a claim?


    And yet, she's winning. If you don't think there are other crazy people in Hollywood...

    Let's face it: you're mad they *didn't* file one, since you would have loved to crawl up their ass about it.


    Why? Assuming they opposed the dreadful ruling, why would I complain about it? No one is arguing that this ruling helps them in any way. They should be fighting it.

    Thing is, contrary to your rantings, I'm not "anti" the industry. I just wish they'd stop freaking out and learn to adapt already.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 18th, 2014 @ 5:57pm

    Re:

    No one else knows how to crawl up the MPAA's ass, because your head is stuck there, and you eat their shit for a living.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 18th, 2014 @ 6:55pm

    Re:

    I hope that Garcia wins solely for the reason that it give the MPAA a headache because if every actor can claim copyright on their part it will losen the MPAA's copyright grip on films. The MPAA will no doubt either get actors to sign a contract that signs their individual copyright claim on their acting over to the MPAA if they want to act in the film or the MPAA will do everything to get new laws created to make it that actors cannot have copyright on their acting part in the film.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 18th, 2014 @ 7:05pm

    Re: Re:

    "Thing is, contrary to your rantings, I'm not "anti" the industry."

    LOL

    You're a pathological liar in very dire need of professional mental health help.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 18th, 2014 @ 7:28pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    and you are a pathological idiot in very dire need of a brain...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 18th, 2014 @ 7:29pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    And yet you're not the one who seems sane.

     

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    JMT (profile), Apr 18th, 2014 @ 7:49pm

    Re:

    If by comedy you mean comments that sound like they were written by a petulant teenager, then yeah, funny as hell.

    Feel free to offer some sort of intelligent, constructive rebuttal if you can. We won't hold our breath...

     

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    Violynne (profile), Apr 18th, 2014 @ 7:53pm

    The reason why the MPAA hasn't filed an amicus brief? They're still fighting court battles which haven't lead to payouts yet.

    Give it time. Once these cases are "settled" or "won", they'll be back when the law isn't in their favor.

     

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    techflaws (profile), Apr 18th, 2014 @ 10:42pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    And still you look like the moron here. Well done!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Apr 18th, 2014 @ 11:33pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Mirror, mirror, on the wall,
    who is the sanest of them all?


    Well, it's certainly not you!

     

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    Pragmatic, Apr 22nd, 2014 @ 9:27am

    Re: Re: Re:

    [Citation required]

    Mike may be a bit of a demagogue from time to time, but he's as honest as the day is long, unlike yourself, you shill.

     

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    Jay, May 14th, 2014 @ 2:28pm

    Garcia v Google and Amicus Briefs

    It's likely the MPAA didn't file an amicus brief because it has long recognized that actors' performances can sometimes be copyrightable pantomimes, choreography or (if dialogue originates with the actor) literary material. They have little if any risk flowing from the Garcia decision, since (1) many or even most actors are "employees" of the producer, (2) they usually get at least a short document confirming the producer's ownership, (3) even if they failed to do that, as Judge Kozinski noted in his decision, in almost all cases there would be an extremely broad implied license to use the performance in the film. As to news and documentaries, it is highly unlikely that common garden variety movement and expression would be "original" enough to be copyrightable. In spite of the Google-encouraged amicus briefs, the sky will not fall, even on amateurs, documentarians and news reporters, as a result of this decision.

     

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