Man Sues Neighbor For Not Turning Off WiFi And Cell Phone

from the science? dept

For years, we've heard of people freaking out about WiFi or mobile phones, claiming they have "electromagnetic sensitivity" to those things. The only problem is that in double-blind tests, there is no evidence that any sensitivity is due to electromagnetic waves. And yet, people keep insisting it must be true. In the latest extreme case, a guy in Santa Fe is suing his neighbor for not turning off his WiFi or mobile phone, saying that it caused him to become homeless:
Firstenberg "cannot stay in a hotel, because hotels and motels all employ wi-fi connections, which trigger a severe illness," says the request for a preliminary injunction. "If (Firstenberg) cannot obtain preliminary relief, he will be forced to continue to sleep in his car, enduring winter cold and discomfort, until this case can be heard."

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    Brian (profile), Jan 8th, 2010 @ 6:28pm

    Why can't we go back to the old way of doing things? Where morons like this are taken out back and beaten. The guy is clearly a moron who is doing this either for attention or because he has no grasp on the difference between truth and scare tactic hogwash the media spews out. Perhaps he watched one of those videos from the UK where people sell anti-wifi hats or whatever they are.

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    John Strickland, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 6:51pm

    Proven to be BS...

    Why not just disable Wifi broadcasting and tell the neighbor that his cell phone is on airplane mode.

    It's not like the looney can tell if it is on or not.

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    zcat (profile), Jan 8th, 2010 @ 6:58pm

    With any luck the silly prick will develop alzheimers while sleeping in his car and then we can have a really good laugh about it.

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/07/mobile_alzheimer/

    on a serious note; this represents the first study that proves cellphone RF _CAN_ have some effect on brain activity. The fact that it's a beneficial effect in this particular study is somewhat irrelevant. It means to some extent that the nutcases were right, and just because we didn't have evidence of any effect before did not mean that there was no effect...

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    The Anti Mike, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 7:22pm

    Pssh, double-blind tests are useless. I can sense EM waves with my mind and only a triple-blind test will prove me wrong!

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    davebarnes (profile), Jan 8th, 2010 @ 7:27pm

    Better yet

    "Why can't we go back to the old way of doing things? Where morons like this are taken out back and beaten."

    Stalin had an even better answer. Shot in the back of head. Where is your Wi-Fi problem now?

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 7:29pm

    Why is he on Earth's surface?

    So I guess this guy had better stay off the SURFACE OF THE EARTH. Or does he not know the Sun gives off tons of electromagnetic waves every second of every day and you need to be miles underground to not experience them?

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 7:30pm

    About electromagnetic sensitivity

    About a year back I needed to get a diagnostic MRI.

    While I was in there and MRI was operating I could actually feel the magnetic field switching. It was a very weird sensation, kinda like a nerve twitch/fast muscle contraction in my abdomen and arm. It was very disconcerting, but not at all painful.

    I told the operator about it and she said "yeah, apparently some people can feel it, it's very rare though" and didn't seem concerned about it. I asked how that's possible and she had no idea.

    Note that this is just a personal anecdote and doesn't necessarily have any bearing on whether a person can be sensitive to wifi. In particular, an MRI produces a *very* powerful magnetic field and directs it at the subject, whereas a wifi signal is low-power and indirect. I'm not saying the plaintiff in this case must be telling the truth, but I am saying that electromagnetic radiation can affect people in visceral ways because I've had that happen to me.

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 8:01pm

    OMGWTFBBQ he should DIAF! While I'm sure he is an attention whore. The burden of proof is on him. I wonder if the guy being sued has any anti-slapp laws in his state to send this idiot a message.

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    The Anti-Mike (profile), Jan 8th, 2010 @ 8:05pm

    tin foil. tin foil can fix it.

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    TechDan (profile), Jan 8th, 2010 @ 8:08pm

    I'm sensitive to eletromagnetic radiation too.

    See, electromagnetic waves bounce of objects, and then I can use them to pinpoint said objects using a pair of highly specialized organs.

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    TechDan (profile), Jan 8th, 2010 @ 8:08pm

    Re: I'm sensitive to eletromagnetic radiation too.

    *Off of objects, heh.

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    TechDan (profile), Jan 8th, 2010 @ 8:09pm

    Re: I'm sensitive to eletromagnetic radiation too.

    I'm also sensitive to "electromagnetic" radiation. ;P

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 8:10pm

    Wth

    I support turning this guy into plant food.

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    Lee, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 8:31pm

    Too much time and money

    Just another trust-fund baby in Santa Fe, with too much time and money on his hands. Probably migrated (kicked out?) from the fruit and nut crowd on the West Coast.

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    bigpicture, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 8:41pm

    Re: anti-wifi hats?

    You mean the tinfoil hats? Protects against all those things including alien mind control?

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    slander (profile), Jan 8th, 2010 @ 8:44pm

    Re: Better yet

    In Soviet Russia, Wi-Fi steals you?

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 8:51pm

    Re: Wth

    Can plants vomit? That would be a good way to find out.

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 9:07pm

    Re:

    Tell the moron that you turned off the devices.

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    jack, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 9:15pm

    hook up a router in his basement and set it to brodcast the same network name and turn yours off for a day so you can prove hes jsut a gold digger

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    The Mighty Buzzard, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 9:20pm

    Re: I'm sensitive to eletromagnetic radiation too.

    Same here and it makes my skin turn red if I expose it to too much.

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 9:20pm

    Even IF wireless radiation caused damage...

    There's no reason the guy had to move out. Assuming that he had to live somewhere without any electromagnetic radiation, it's simple enough to build a Faraday cage within/around your home. All you need is a few hundred square feet of metal mesh, and it will completely block wireless signals.

    Seriously.

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 9:34pm

    Re: About electromagnetic sensitivity

    OK, the magnetic field you experienced was on the order of 3 Tesla. That's freaking huge. I mean, huge. Like, so big it's fucking crazy.

    To put that in comparison, the Earth's magnetic field is 60 microtesla. That's 5 orders of magnitude difference.

    Anyway, the field inside your MRI is nowhere near the strength of a cell phone or wireless router. You could swallow both the cell phone and wireless router and the magnetic flux through you would still be less than the MRI machine.

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    microwave, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 9:49pm

    seems silly since the wifi range is so vary close to the microwave ovens you use daily to warm your food.
    wifi under 5watt commercial under 1watt consumer. microwave greater than 600+watts. and yes they do leak just get a meter on one sometime that would be a good reason for this guy but not wifi.. don't park anywhere near any working microwaves moron

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    Chargone (profile), Jan 8th, 2010 @ 10:20pm

    Re: Re:

    This could actually work. if it's actually the wifi etc, and tests have proven that that doesn't actually cause anything at all, and he's actually suffering, then it's probably psychological. ... of course, he could then probably sue whoever it is who made a big deal about it in the first place... America's silly like that.

    (nevermind the possibility of comparatively rare sensitivities, the suffers of which don't make it into the tests. such things can occasionally happen, one would guess)

    alternatively, maybe he's got a Cunning Plan.

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    kryptonianjorel (profile), Jan 8th, 2010 @ 10:30pm

    Re:

    Isn't it funny that they can only sense 850/900 MHZ 1800/1900 MHZ, 2400 MHZ, and 5800 MHZ? aka Cell phone bands and wifi bands? I mean, not a khz is wasted in the radio frequency allocation, and these people only only react to the frequencies we so irresponsibly selected for the most popular devices of the day?

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 11:11pm

    I agree with AC #21. let him sleep in a Faraday cage, (although that would create its own field), it would be interesting to see if it fixes his problem. Although I would imagine if its that much of a problem, he could move to Wyoming or Alaska. somewhere with no people to sue. to live in the woods, and eat sticks and berries.

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 11:52pm

    Re: Re:

    I bet if you put a laser pointer on his hand he'll sue you for [annoying him] trying to give him skin cancer...

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 8th, 2010 @ 11:56pm

    Re:

    Actually, I would assume Mr. Genius is catching his neighbor with his router on by using his computer (probably a netbook for the mentally challenged) to scan for local networks.

    Sure he's not worried about all the radiation he puts on top of his sack, but he's going to raise hell and raise money by using his uber top secret future computer to sense when there are and aren't WiFi signals penetrating his walls!

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    Burgos, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 12:32am

    Just give the guy a sugar pill and tell him that it's anti-radiation medicine.

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    Griff (profile), Jan 9th, 2010 @ 1:54am

    Safer nearer a mast

    Phones transmit at greater power when they are further from a mast.

    Unless you are right under the mast, the field from your phone is stronger locally to you than the field from the mast.
    Similarly, if you are surrounded by nearby people carrying mobile phones (as you are anywhere these days) you will probably experience less field if you stand nearer the mast.

    So the crazy guy in this story needs to move nearer a mast, for his health.

    Legally, if his medical claims were proven true it would not just be the guy he's suing who'd need to desist. Better surely to protect the victim with foil than try and stop ALL external sources.


    I remember when I was at college, a local resident used to complain about the noise of the student disco if they went 2 mins past their 1am licensed end time. One night we left the disco lights running until 1:30 but turned off all the sound (witnessed by the appropriate authorities).
    Sure enough, got a complaint. They never managed to locdge a complaint.

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 2:25am

    Dee Dee Dee, What a Moron!

    If he wins though, I feel a sudden onset of the same ailment.

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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    Allen (profile), Jan 9th, 2010 @ 3:31am

    So many harsh comments about some poor soul clearly suffering from a real medical condition. He needs a psychiatrist, not a lawyer.

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    Andrew D. Todd, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 4:35am

    The Old, Old Story

    If you look at the original newspaper story, it seems that the neighbor is a woman, a Frenchwoman, apparently separated from her husband. The plaintiff went out of his way to do her favors-- and then suddenly turned hostile, for no discernible reason. Does anyone really need to ask what happened?

    Apropos of nothing at all, it is understandable that a girl who has no experience dealing with paranoids might be initially flattered by the inordinate attention, before realizing that someone was too creepy to sleep with, and that when she was forced to tell someone that he was not her lord and master, there might be a bit of a contretemps.

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    Faraday, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 5:10am

    Re: Build a Faraday cage!

    Why sue only his neighbor? why not shut off all radio and cell stations in the city? (oh yeah! - microwave ovens too!)

    If this man claims to have such sensitivity, he must build a faraday cage, and live in there.

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    cc, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 6:31am

    Re:

    Yeah, I hear nuthouses don't have wifi.

    Seriously, though. This seems like a strange phobia of some sort, and the man needs help. Hopefully the courts will be sensitive to that, and will find a way to help him.

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 7:12am

    Someone better not give this guy a compass. He probably would sue all of Earth for having a magnetic field.

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    DS, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 7:19am

    Re: Re: anti-wifi hats?

    Alien mind control? I'm more concerned about Ron Howard's mind control device.

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    transmaster (profile), Jan 9th, 2010 @ 7:22am

    What a total crock of crap

    ah yes this law suit brought to you by the author of the best selling book, 50 Ways to Get Admitted Into a Hospital and Still Get a Regular Tray. So the loon doesn't pay his rent, or is so obnoxious the landlord gives him the heave-hoe. He so disruptive in the homeless shelters he is kicked out there as well. These are the people they used to ship off to Mental health domiciles where they could get the three hots and a cot they really wanted, the drugs where bad but at least they where free, Oh wow man. Thanks ACLU. ;) Now the poor guy has to blame WiFi and Cellphones to get the food and shelter he wants, because he is an eco freak as well as a Wifi loon the car he is trying to live in to to small for him the stretch out in so he is getting back pains. Oh The Humanity"!

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    Sergio, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 7:47am

    Evolution

    I don't believe people have sensitivity to this stuff, but, either way, it seems our species has an opportunity to evolve here. All these dumbasses will be too irritating to mate with.

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    Palmyra (profile), Jan 9th, 2010 @ 8:16am

    Aluminum Foil Hat will save the day! NT

    .

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    Richard (profile), Jan 9th, 2010 @ 8:52am

    Re: Safer nearer a mast

    I remember when I was at college, a local resident used to complain about the noise of the student disco if they went 2 mins past their 1am licensed end time. One night we left the disco lights running until 1:30 but turned off all the sound (witnessed by the appropriate authorities).
    Sure enough, got a complaint.


    Reminds me of the time when my model aircraft club received a noise complaint - when they were flying gliders...

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 9:25am

    Re: Re: Re:

    I wonder if he has heard about myfi yet? People are walking hot spots.

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 9:28am

    Faraday cage

    The man should get sued for not taking proper precautions and building a faraday cage around his house. Surround him and his house with a copper wire mesh and be done with it.

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 9:43am

    Re:

    A tin foil hat. Indeed, that would fix it.

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 9:47am

    Re:

    Perhaps they can use cell phone radiation as a way to treat Alzheimer's.

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 10:10am

    I guess all the radio stations, TV stations, cordless phones, satellite radio and TV, police and emergency radio signals were bearable. The WI-FI and cell phone put him over the edge. I guess he needs to sue all of these organizations. Guess the FCC has been sleeping all this time.

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 10:17am

    Re:

    "I guess all the radio stations, TV stations, cordless phones, satellite radio and TV, police and emergency radio signals were bearable. The WI-FI and cell phone put him over the edge."

    I think you're onto something. Or maybe he just hasn't gotten around to suing everyone else. Perhaps he can sue the sun as well, since the sun releases all sorts of radiation too.

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 10:18am

    Re: Why is he on Earth's surface?

    Or he can keep himself in an area where it's always night time. He can move to the north poll when it's winter there and move to the south poll when it's winter there. Still, he might experience light from the moon. Light bulbs also put out radiation and so do candles so he'll have to live in the dark. Oh, and there are the stars as well.

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 10:59am

    Finally! A return to natural selection. It seems that human beings have have stepped pretty far out of the classic examples of natural selection. But now with dramatic technological advances, those who can not tolerate them will die off, not pro create and we will be left with super electromagnetic resistant people.

    Yay natural selection!

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 11:21am

    This is merely to note that for all we know this individual may be blowing smoke, I am aware (but do not have the cite at hand) of at least one international study by medical researches in the US, Japan, and (I seem to recall) the UK that there are some people who do appear to experience physiological reactions under circustances such as this and that their reactions are not psychosomatic.

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    A Physicist, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 11:26am

    I feel sorry

    How does this guy live before Wifi and cellphones?! I mean it's not like electromagnetic radiation is passing through us every second in a whole myriad of frequencies. Oh wait...

    Shiat.

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 11:32am

    Re:

    This part of the problem... I am not saying you are wrong, however the infamous "study I can't cite" is part of the reason why bad information is spread. Cite the study or don't post about it...

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 11:59am

    Weather

    Seriously, If I lived in Santa Fe, I wouldn't need a home. Cold weather my butt!!! Try living where it is -20 Celcius 6-9 months out of the year.

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 12:02pm

    Yeah... I agree... Tin foil... Not only will it block the RF waves, it will keep the government and the alien from using their thought monitors!

    They also make swell hats!

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 12:26pm

    Re: Re:

    I merely made mention of one study suggesting, but certainly not declaring, that they may be a causal link in the case of a very small number of the population.

    http://www.aehf.com/articles/em_sensitive.html

    While I would never city a wiki as anything more that a general discussion of matters, there is one wiki that touches upon the subject matter of sensitity to electromagnetic raidiation:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_hypersensitivity

    The human body is in part a complex electronic circuit, and it is certainly not beyond the realm of possibility that some people just might have negative interactions with external electromagnetic radiation that are not experienced by the populous at large.

    Once again, this individual may be blowing smoke and working a personal agenda, but this alone is an insufficient basis to definitively opine that all persons who may claim to have electromagnetic sensitivity are blowing smoke as well.

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 1:28pm

    Re:

    ROFLOL!

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 1:30pm

    Re: Re:

    "Cite the study or don't post about it..."

    Don't tell others what to do. He can post if he wants, even if he can't remember the study.

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 1:32pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    (BTw, I do realize that I am telling you what to do by telling you not to tell others what to do).

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    transmaster (profile), Jan 9th, 2010 @ 2:02pm

    The SubGenius Hour of Slack

    You don't suppose Arthur Firstenberg listens to The Subgenius Hour of Slack and he thinks the "pinks" who, as we all, know front the Space aliens, and "The Conspiracy" are using WiFi and cellphones to control his mind. P.S. I have listened to the Hour of Slack on and off since the early 1980's and I am here to tell you it is! the most bizarrely strange and funny radio show ever!!!! Not only that but the off the wall bands this show has turned me on to such as "The Swinging Love Corpses" They now podcast so If you want to sample the strange go here; http://www.subgenius.com/ts/hos.html at the very least it will help you understand loonies like Arthur.

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    OldGeek, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 2:23pm

    Re: Unreal

    I agree with Allen, this guy needs some serious professional help and some money grubbing lawyer has him suing his neighbor!!!!!!!!!! Then I read the comments on here and understand why the majority of the mental cases are homeless.
    All they are to society is a way of making money, no one even sees them as people anymore. The list of comments on this story are the most uncivilized I've seen yet!

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    Pjerky (profile), Jan 9th, 2010 @ 2:52pm

    Re: About electromagnetic sensitivity

    Actually I believe that it is possible that this guy may feel the EM/RF fields in some way. I have a friend that used to get nasty headaches every time she held her cell phone up to her head to use it.

    She still wanted to use it and try to work around her physical reaction to it so she started looking for something to help shield her head from the device. She found this little plastic shield thing that had something embedded in it that would shield her from the fields and since she started using it she hasn't had a problem.

    It is possible that this was psychological, but it took her a while to determine that her headaches were caused by her phone. So it may not be. None the less, I think we know too little about the human brain and the effects things have on it to really know for sure. It is possible that people with the extreme sensitivity to the fields are very very rare and none ended up in that double-blind study.

    All I know is I am open to the possibility. But I think this guy may be over-reacting a bit. He should look for a more diplomatic solution because he is going to run into these problems wherever he goes these days. Course, given that thought it is more than likely the guy is being a hypochondriac.

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    Thomas (profile), Jan 9th, 2010 @ 3:59pm

    paint

    they sell anti-radiation paint that's wildly expensive but supposedly will block not only cell phone and wi-fi waves but also waves from alien mind control devices.

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 6:15pm

    Re: paint

    Great, all he has to do is get some of that and paint his tin foil hat with it and he's good to go.

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 7:07pm

    Re:

    eh... I can sense EMR with my eyes + skin... it's called visible light and Infrared, I can detect High energy rays with my whole body by developing cancer or radiation sickness.

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 7:09pm

    Re: Re: Build a Faraday cage!

    what about the neutrinos and other HEP?

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 7:19pm

    Re:

    Rad-X and Radaway!

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 7:26pm

    Re: The Old, Old Story

    It puts the lotion on it's skin

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    Paul`, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 7:31pm

    Re:

    there have been far more to the contrary.

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 7:47pm

    There's no evidence that it's physiological. Whenever something isn't fully understood that label gets slapped on it.

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 7:52pm

    I meant psychological. :S

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    The Arbiter (profile), Jan 9th, 2010 @ 9:44pm

    Re: Wth

    Soylent Green maybe? I hear it is people...

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    gojomo (profile), Jan 9th, 2010 @ 10:50pm

    Re: About electromagnetic sensitivity

    Re: anonymous #7's MRI anecdote

    Some disorders cause iron to collect in the body, especially the liver. I have no idea if the levels involved could explain feeling an MRI, but that's something I would learn about -- and even get checked for -- if I were in your situation, tangibly sensitive to magnetic fields others can't feel (regardless of the MRI tech's nonchalance). Look up [hemochromatosis] for more info.

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 9th, 2010 @ 10:58pm

    Re: Re:

    He should just take some Mentats to feel better and gain some intelligence. He could also get some power armor training and wear that.

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    Tim Sokol, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 5:31am

    Re: Morons

    Although the moron who thought to actually sue some one for their Wi-Fi and cell phone needs to be taken out and beaten, let us not forget the lawyer(s) who both take these types of cases and encourage this type of behavior.

    We have all see lying, cheating and stealing attorneys at law on TV and know that you can sue someone somewhere for just about anything. Once upon a time the law was a mechanism to bring the unjust to justice and write those who have been wronged.

    Now it is riddled with morons trying to find new ways to bilk money out of someone or some company and a host of unscrupulous vultures ready to help make it happen.

    So when you take the moron who drums up a case like this out back to be beaten, make sure you take his attorney with him as they both need a few good lashes.

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    Peter, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 5:59am

    I think this group of technologically literate

    people may want to look into the health impacts of Radiofrequency Radiation instead of busying yourself with knocking a man you don't even know. The simple truth is that many people experience negative symptoms from exposure to Cell Phones, Wi-Fi and other sources of Digital, Pulsed Microwave Radiation -- as well as high exposure to Electromagnetic Fields. The Earth's Natural Magnetic Field is NOT the same as Digital, Pulsed Microwave Radiation from Wireless Devices and is a bogus comparison to make. ...and anyone here that doesn't understand that RF exposure levels are a largely a function of distance from the source, has no business making stupid generalizations about the other distant sources of RF, Mr. Firstenberg may or may not be exposed to. Mr. Firstenberg has every right to have peace and health within his home. The fact is, if your neighbor's stereo was on too loud, you would have legal rights. Since the FCC decided that any neighbor can now radiate the crap out of you for 24 hours a day, people like Mr. Firstenberg have suffered enormously....It is not right and it needs legal attention. ...and for the record, there are many people here knocking the guy who quite probably experience vague and uncomfortable symptoms for precisely the same reason as Mr. Firstenberg, but haven't been aware enough to make the correlation. I mean -- study it! What would it take? http://www.weepinitiative.org/ I find it disgusting that "technically" minded people would be so quick to judge a guy they haven't met living an experience they know nothing about. Where are your Scientific Minds people? For the more inquisitive people: Here's a free book that describes the experience of 400 MORE people just like Mr. Firstenberg... Free PDF: http://www.feb.se/feb/blackonwhite-abstract.pdf ...and a totally unrelated blog on people that get symptoms from cell phones (not unlike the stories reported here!): http://antipixel.com/blog/archives/2003/10/01/more_cellphone_sickness.html ...and a totally unrelated site that tells some very nightmarish stories about people's close proximity exposure living next to Cell Phone Towers: http://www.mast-victims.org/ ...and all the journal articles you could ever want that clearly establish a basis for concern with regard to these exposures that we are all involuntarily exposed to: http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/science/studies.asp This guy is not nuts...But he is ill....and I don't think that he ought be discarded, but rather understood and listened to. There are more than one or two people on this very blog that ostensibly are saying the same thing as this guy -- and further there are many more people all over the World. This IS a serious Public Health issue and this guy has a lot of balls for standing up and calling attention to it. Surely, it is a rather thankless effort he is making. ...and for those suggesting he is motivated by money -- I think you should STFU...He isn't suing for gobs of money... He is suing for the freedom to be in his home without being made ill from his neighbor's f-ing toys. Internets -- stop being judgemental morons. He may very well be onto something that you and your own family ought care about. Here are some sites about Electrical Hypersensitivity..Invest 3 minutes and look into this...The Guy is the first of many that will suffer like this. http://www.electrosensitivity.co.uk/ and another http://www.weepinitiative.org/ and another: http://www.feb.se/index_int.htm and another: http://www.electrosensitivity.org/

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    Peter, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 6:11am

    I think this group of technologically literate

    people may want to look into the health impacts of Radiofrequency Radiation instead of busying yourself with knocking a man you don't even know.

    The simple truth is that many people experience negative symptoms from exposure to Cell Phones, Wi-Fi and other sources of Digital, Pulsed Microwave Radiation -- as well as high exposure to Electromagnetic Fields.

    The Earth's Natural Magnetic Field is NOT the same as Digital, Pulsed Microwave Radiation from Wireless Devices and is a bogus comparison to make.

    ...and anyone here that doesn't understand that RF exposure levels are a largely a function of distance from the source, has no business making stupid generalizations about the other distant sources of RF, Mr. Firstenberg may or may not be exposed to.

    Mr. Firstenberg has every right to have peace and health within his home. The fact is, if your neighbor's stereo was on too loud, you would have legal rights.

    Since the FCC decided that any neighbor can now radiate the crap out of you for 24 hours a day, people like Mr. Firstenberg have suffered enormously....It is not right and it needs legal attention. ...

    and for the record, there are many people here knocking the guy who quite probably experience vague and uncomfortable symptoms for precisely the same reason as Mr. Firstenberg, but haven't been aware enough to make the correlation. I mean -- study it! What would it take?

    http://www.weepinitiative.org/

    I find it disgusting that "technically" minded people would be so quick to judge a guy they haven't met living an experience they know nothing about.

    For the more inquisitive people: Here's a free book that describes the experience of 400 MORE people just like Mr. Firstenberg...

    Free PDF: http://www.feb.se/feb/blackonwhite-abstract.pdf


    and a totally unrelated blog on people that get symptoms from cell phones (not unlike the stories reported here!):

    http://antipixel.com/blog/archives/2003/10/01/more_cellphone_sickness.html

    ...and a totally unrelated site that tells some very nightmarish stories about people's close proximity exposure living next to Cell Phone Towers:

    http://www.mast-victims.org/

    ...and all the journal articles you could ever want that clearly establish a basis for concern with regard to these exposures that we are all involuntarily exposed to:
    http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/science/studies.asp

    This guy is not nuts...But he is ill....and I don't think that he ought be discarded, but rather understood and listened to.

    There are more than one or two people on this very blog that ostensibly are saying the same thing as this guy -- and further there are many more people all over the World.

    This IS a serious Public Health issue and this guy has a lot of balls for standing up and calling attention to it.

    Surely, it is a rather thankless effort he is making. ...and for those suggesting he is motivated by money -- I think you should STFU...

    He isn't suing for gobs of money... He is suing for the freedom to be in his home without being made ill from his neighbor's f-ing toys.

    Internets -- stop being judgemental morons. He may very well be onto something that you and your own family ought care about.

    Here are some sites about Electrical Hypersensitivity..

    Invest 3 minutes and look into this...The Guy is the first of many that will suffer like this.

    http://www.electrosensitivity.co.uk/ and another

    http://www.weepinitiative.org/ and another:

    http://www.feb.se/index_int.htm and another:

    http://www.electrosensitivity.org/

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  77. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 7:21am

    Re: I think this group of technologically literate

    You forgot http://www.euthanasia.com/ because this man will soon find it impossible not to be surrounded by the wireless spectrum.

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    bira, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 8:02am

    Re: I think this group of technologically literate

    Peter, where does this guy spend his days? Does he magically develop an immunity to these effects during the day since it only mentions there's any issue when he needs to sleep? I suppose, if he works, there are no WiFi "hot-spots" within a similar distance to his place of work as his neighbor's house is to his? Come on man, it may not be impossible that some are sensitive to this but if sensitivity is only at night then that's enough to be suspect of his story.

    As far as not being able to stay at a hotel is also a fib, there are plenty hotels out there not offering WiFi, or even wired internet for that matter. I also suppose cellphones were just invented yesterday!! Get a grip!

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    Thomas (profile), Jan 10th, 2010 @ 8:40am

    Re: I think this group of technologically literate

    The web site at

    http://www.electrosensitivity.co.uk/index.html

    sells medals that will protect you from ElectroSmog for only 75 pounds. This is total crap and anyone who believes it is not technologically literate. They also sell bracelets to protect you and all kinds of overpriced useless junk. Yes, JUNK. Any website that says Electromagnetic radiation is harmful while selling junk is a scam.

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    The Trekkie, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 9:48am

    Re: Proven to be BS...

    My thought exactly, just pretend to act all concerned about it and go through this big show of shutting everything down, then pretend that you're keeping it all off on his behalf whenever you talk to him. I mean granted you shouldn't have to but sometimes it's not really worth it to argue with a crazy.

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  81. icon
    Danny (profile), Jan 10th, 2010 @ 10:00am

    Re: Re: anti-wifi hats?

    They just don't make tinfoil hats like they used to.

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  82. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 10:29am

    Re: About electromagnetic sensitivity

    Electromagnetic waves, such as microwaves, light, ultraviolet, and radio waves are different than a magnetic field which is created by a MRI. They are not the same thing. You being able to feel the magnetic field of the MRI does not mean that you or anyone else could feel any type of electromagnetic wave the comes from wifi

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  83. identicon
    guet, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 10:40am

    Re:

    you mean the WiFi API can't know if it is transmitting or not?

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  84. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 11:23am

    Lets think it all the way through

    Maybe this guy (and peter) should think it through before making wild claims/accusations. The burden of proof is on him, NOT society. We dont need to check into it, Its his responsibility to prove it and at his own expense. If the guy supposedly cant live there, then its his responsibility to find somewhere else to live. NOT for society (or his neighbour) to move so that he doesn't have a problem.
    The article states that he claims to have to sleep in his car. Why does he have a car? If wifi and cell make him so ill it would be very irresponsible of him to be driving. After all, he may drive past someone with a cell phone and/or laptop in their car, or just walking down the street, become ill, crash, and kill someone. Should we ban all other vehicles and/or people when he is driving? or just him. Or, when this happens, maybe find him guilty of murder, like drunk driving, because he knew this could be the outcome. What about his employer? Should they ban all wifi and cell phones at work, just for him? What happens when the company goes out of bushiness because it cant keep up with the technology the competition utilizes? Or maybe society should pay for him to exist somewhere outside of that society, just so that it can move forward without him and not be a burden to him? A one way plane ticket to somewhere obscure would be cheaper and SAFER for him and society. Mind you thats IF he can prove it and win in court.

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  85. identicon
    Davey, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 11:23am

    Re: Re: Morons

    "Once upon a time the law was a mechanism to bring the unjust to justice and write those who have been wronged."

    In what country. I'd like to move there.

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    really, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 11:25am

    This is why I have to lock my doors.

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    Davey, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 11:26am

    Re: Proven to be BS...

    If he's this obsessed he might have a scanner seeking out "deadly" radio waves. I'd bet he's half luddite and half geek, so you can't assume he avoids all tech.

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    Davey, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 11:36am

    Re:

    The comments would probably be a lot more sympathetic if he wasn't trying to "cure" his condition by lawsuit. Stupid self-serving aggression tends to get an equal and opposite reaction.

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  89. identicon
    Davey, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 11:39am

    Re: What a total crock of crap

    Um, it wasn't the ACLU. It was Milton Friedman, Ayn Rand, and the gang.

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  90. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 11:46am

    Re: Why is he on Earth's surface?

    It would be useless to go underground to get away from the, the earth itself radiates... alot.

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  91. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 11:49am

    Re: Re: Re: anti-wifi hats?

    "They just don't make tinfoil hats like they used to."

    I just spit Pepsi through my nose. Thanks for the laugh of the week. :)

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  92. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 11:56am

    Re: I think this group of technologically literate

    All of which is not his neighbor's problem. Shielding yourself from EM is simple... if he needs to do so he should read about it and not blame others for his special issue.

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    Chad, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 11:59am

    People

    In this day and age, everything gives us cancer and everything makes us sick. Wifi probably does cause tumors, or probably does make people sick, but no amount of evidence will make people stop using it now. Studies could show that wifi DEFINITELY causes cancer, and people would still use it (think cigarettes).

    Just like non-smoking sections, we may need to implement a non-wifi section. It would certainly shut that guy up.

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  94. icon
    transmaster (profile), Jan 10th, 2010 @ 12:27pm

    Re: I think this group of technologically literate

    You sir are a weenie, I am a ham radio operator and am decidedly Technologically and RF literate. collectively we Amateur Radio Op's we have had 100 years of experience with RF. Indeed before we learned such things circa 1930 when vacuum transmitting tubes started into use and broad frequency spark gap transmitters went out of use radio operators started to get strange fevers in their ham shacks. Which turned out to be caused by RF from poorly shielded feed lines heating their bodies up. The result of this discovery are diathermy machines that are used in physical therapy, and later microwave ovens. We have been using Frequencies in the range used by Wifi, and cellphones for most of 60 years, and at much, much higher power levels in some causes up to a Kilowatt if used for moon bounce and meteor scatter QSO's. In all of these years we have had no trouble with the the problems sited by the Nut case we are talking about here. Indeed there have been no brain tumors or any other problems caused by RF in the frequency ranges at the power levels used in cell phones and Wifi. At the higher power levels we do take precautions. As for sensitivity to these frequencies no one has reported anything like this and believe me if this was the case the word would have gone out years ago. These eco-crap studies trying to prove low powered transmissions from WiFi networks and cellphone have never studied the brains of the one population that has been using these frequencies the longest, and those studies that have done so have seen power levels such as used by the cellphones and Wifi devices have not been a problem. By the way have you heard of the study that shows that cell phone use may somehow slowdown or could even prevent Alzheimer's. Go here:
    http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/health/Cell-Phone-Use-May-Help-Prevent-Alzheimers-80998152.html

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  95. identicon
    Bry, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 12:36pm

    @ all

    So... um why does his car offer any better protection from WiFi? my car passes WiFi waves just as the walls of my home....

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  96. identicon
    Jon B., Jan 10th, 2010 @ 1:13pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Of everyone I've ever heard of claiming a sensitivity to EM waves or EM fields, it would take a hell of a lot more than a cell phone and a wireless router to trigger it. Maybe living 100 yds from a cell tower ... MAYBE. But even the people that actually claim some sort of sensitivity don't claim that it's THAT sensitive.

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  97. identicon
    joseycarr, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 1:33pm

    Better yet

    No more coffee for you!!!

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  98. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 1:41pm

    Re: I think this group of technologically literate

    I agree with you and point that being literated does not prevent ignorance and blindness. Economical crisys and polution are the very example of that. To memorize a book its not the same of really understading it.

    I myself feel weird when Kitchen Microwave is working at high values.

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  99. icon
    mike allen (profile), Jan 10th, 2010 @ 2:17pm

    Re: Re:

    yep they could supply a tin hat

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  100. icon
    Derek Kerton (profile), Jan 10th, 2010 @ 5:14pm

    Re: Re: Build a Faraday cage!

    True. I just read an article about how chicken wire fencing has just the right spacing to be an effective Faraday cage for Wifi frequencies.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126221116097210861.html

    He could wrap his house in cheap chicken fencing and gain the dual benefits of peace of mind for his psychosomatic illness AND keeping his chickens inside.

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    ejbman (profile), Jan 10th, 2010 @ 6:31pm

    Re:

    nah. that's just against alien transmission...

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  102. identicon
    SuperSparky, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 6:52pm

    Re: About electromagnetic sensitivity

    An MRI has an extremely strong magnetic field to accomplish its purpose. Many thousands of times more powerful than any WIFI or cell phone device.

    The sun puts off more EM radiation than anything here on Earth. Heck, satellites are always beaming radio waves down on us since Sputnik. TV and Radio stations have a much higher output than your WIFI or phone.

    When I used to live in Dallas, I could feel the build up to a lightning strike. I do remember this release of energy is what, 1.21 Gigawatts of energy and I only sensed it a mere second or two before it hit.

    Hypochondriac is what that nut job is.

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    Hephaestus (profile), Jan 10th, 2010 @ 7:33pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: anti-wifi hats?

    and its Aluminum foil not tin foil any more....

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  104. identicon
    Jerryoo, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 8:33pm

    Re: Better yet

    I loved your comment! I agree with you and Stalin on this one.

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  105. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, Jan 10th, 2010 @ 10:26pm

    I've seen this many times before. The problem is that the guy has developed mutant powers and has not learned to control them yet. He views it as a curse and in his frustration he lashes out at his human counterparts. He needs to seek out the guidance of Professor Charles Francis Xavier and become a student of his institute so that he can learn to control his gifts and use them for good. Humans and mutants can co-exist!

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  106. icon
    Captain Swagger (profile), Jan 10th, 2010 @ 11:46pm

    Someone should sue this guy for theft of services as he's obviously tapping into his neighbor's wi-fi connection without permission.

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  107. identicon
    Private Privacy, Jan 11th, 2010 @ 12:37am

    If mobile phone of wi-fi signals caused him any kind of illness, he would be sick no matter where he went. Cell phone tower coverage in a city pretty much overlaps everywhere. Pretty much the same with wi-fi. He could not go into any major city without being bombarded with microwaves and radio waves... it's all in his head.

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  108. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, Jan 11th, 2010 @ 3:17am

    Re: About electromagnetic sensitivity

    Earth living things had millions years to adapt to Sun radiation and earth magnetism.

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  109. identicon
    EVIL_BASTARD, Jan 11th, 2010 @ 9:04am

    Re:

    I agree, a ass kicking would probably straighten him right out. -- At the very least, the rest of us would feel better, and in the end, isn't that what really matters?.

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  110. identicon
    jim, Jan 11th, 2010 @ 9:33am

    Don't use foil hats... they amplify !

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  111. icon
    Almost Anonymous (profile), Jan 11th, 2010 @ 12:24pm

    Re: I think this group of technologically literate

    """
    ...and for those suggesting he is motivated by money -- I think you should STFU...
    """

    W00t, I don't have to STFU -- I think he's motivated by crazy!

    Also, you are either selling snake oil or you are a gullible idiot. Take your pick.

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  112. icon
    Captain Swagger (profile), Jan 11th, 2010 @ 4:44pm

    I really want to register weepinitiative.com and turn it into a tin foil hat parody site...

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  113. icon
    bugmenot (profile), Jan 11th, 2010 @ 8:12pm

    Re: Media Hogwash Scare Tactics

    in a world where an atmospheric trace gas, one also produced by all animal respiration ever since animals evolved on this planet, is now widely believed to be a *pollutant* - why would anyone be surprised by pseudo-scientific "Media Hogwash Scare Tactics?"

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  114. identicon
    rio, Jan 12th, 2010 @ 4:29pm

    this is for real

    I know this sounds crazy, but it is very serious. Just because people think that wifi isn't dangerous to regular folks, doesn't mean it isn't a problem for some. Just like not everyone is allergic to cats.

    My husband is electrically sensitive, and we have tried all sorts of shielding in our house. It doesn't work. We still have at least 6 wifi signals coming in from our neighbors at any given time, and we don't live all that close to them. Why is it a big deal to turn off your wifi when you are sleeping???

    I am an attorney and not a wacko, and I can attest that this is a real illness. One day it will be recognized (it is a protected disability in Sweden). So don't be so quick to judge. Though I think it is too bad that this guy had to resort to a lawsuit. Shameful that neighbors aren't more considerate of others. Happy for you to have your wifi in your house, but why does it have to be in mine?

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  115. identicon
    Su Watt, Jan 27th, 2010 @ 10:16am

    For real?

    I don't care if it's for real or not. What right does one person have to tell another person what they can or can't do on their own property, provided it's a legal?

    Let's give a realistic example:

    I live next to you. You have a dog. I'm allergic to dogs, so I sue you to get rid of the dog or have it put down...

    I live next to you. I'm allergic to perfume. Occassionally, some of your perfume wafts over and I get sick... so I sue you to prevent you from using perfume.

    Get real. YOUR health is YOUR responsibility. People should stop trying to get others to bend over backwards to accomodate them.

    If you have an allergy to wi-fi, then you need to pick yourself up and move yourself elsewhere, or find a solution that doesn't involve trying to catapult the rest of the world around back to the stone age.

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  116. identicon
    Bloody Coward, Feb 1st, 2010 @ 9:10am

    This is just stupid -.- move on with life and let the idiot waste his money hiring a lawyer that wont be able to win that case.
    On another note, there are people who can feel the magnetic field in MRI machines because the machine puts out a field 10000 times stronger than any wifi ever could. Deal with it people, the guy is a nut.
    I have nerve damage in my shoulder and the only reason I can feel magnetic or electric waves around me is because of the damage. Without the nerves being that sensitive I wouldn't even notice!

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  117. identicon
    ...mak..., Feb 24th, 2010 @ 11:22am

    wifi makes me sick

    Ok, until you loose your career due to EMF's you don't know how bad EMF sensivity can make you feel.

    I can't begin to tell you how dizzy and nauseas I can feel after using the computer for extended periods of time. Horrible...

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  118. identicon
    Arianna, Mar 16th, 2010 @ 6:29pm

    Clearing up a few points

    What the article does not state is that Mr. Firstenberg offered his neighbor $10,000 to turn off to use a landline at home instead of the cell phone and ethernet connections for her computers instead of wireless ones. Secondly, he is not suing her for money, but simply to comply with his request so he can move back into his home.

    I am also quite certain he is telling the truth about his sensitivity and that it is not psychosomatic in cause. The day I met him, he knew I carried a cell phone on me even though I had said cell phone hidden in my pocket. His condition has also been measured by health professionals (suffice it to say his case is very severe, the details really aren't the business of people who don't know him personally) and he has been recognized by the government and ADA as disabled.

    As for building a Faraday cage, firstly, he does not do well with metal, and secondly there are limits to what a Faraday cage can block. It seems static and slowly varying magnetic waves get through even the high quality ones.

    The German government has issued a health warning regarding cell phones, wifi, and other electrical smog. And the Germans are a very technological people. http://www.celsias.com/article/german-government-warns-of-dangers-of-wi-fi/

    There have been many studies on electromagnetic radiation, many of which were on animals, not humans, and there have been contradicting results, but here is a good study. http://www.globalchange.com/radiation.htm

    From that website, one quote of particular interest:

    As long ago as June 1998 the Lancet reported that radiation from mobiles caused an increase of blood pressure. Dr Braune and colleagues in Freiburg, Germany, attached mobiles to the right side of the heads of ten volunteers. The phones were switched on and off by remote control without the volunteers knowing - so that any radiation effect could be separated from the psychological effect of holding a mobile phone. Their blood pressure rose each time by between 5-10mm Hg, probably from an electromagnetic radiation induced constrictive effect on blood vessels from the mobile phones.

    This level of increase would be more than enough to trigger a stroke or heart attack in someone at severe risk, but is harmless in the vast majority of people. This was the first firm evidence that mobile phone radiation could directly alter cell function in the human body.

    This offers an explanation for why some people would be significantly more electromagnetically sensitive than others.

    Actually, I would assume Mr. Genius is catching his neighbor with his router on by using his computer (probably a netbook for the mentally challenged) to scan for local networks.
    No, he has a handheld wifi scanner. They sell such things so that people can easily find a good wifi signal without the inconvenience of carrying their laptop around to every possible location. So, you do not need an entire laptop just to scan for networks. He does not in fact have any sort of personal computer, and uses a old-fashioned typewriter for writing.
    Seriously, If I lived in Santa Fe, I wouldn't need a home. Cold weather my butt!!! Try living where it is -20 Celcius 6-9 months out of the year.
    Regarding the weather in Santa Fe: this is high desert. In other words, we experience rapid temperature drops come nightfall.
    Get real. YOUR health is YOUR responsibility. People should stop trying to get others to bend over backwards to accomodate them.
    Tell that to the American Disabilities Association.

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    Wi Fi Sufferer (profile), Jul 30th, 2010 @ 6:43pm

    Wi Fi Sensitivity

    Since the proliferation of the airway with every conceivable forms of electro magnetic radiation, many undiagnosable illnesses have raised their ugly head. Many such illnesses have been given a label as a "syndrome".

    The most common syndrome that has come into being since the mid-1990s is Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS), Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS), Fibromyalgia Syndrome (FMS), and Burning Mouth Syndrome (BMS).

    All of these syndromes are debilitating and undiagnosable.

    After reading many of the comments it's obvious that many show the lack of respect or understanding of the electro magnetic fields, and consider themselves an armchair expert.

    I don't intend to go into detail nor try to defend the person who has been accused of suing some other person, which is basically a misconception and distortion of the real truth.

    If all those misinformed people who made comments that were no more than toilet remarks, they need to do some research just by punching into GOOGLE search engine: "Dangers of WI FI", "Dangers of DECT phones", and "Dangers of Cordless Phones".

    There has been much research completed, but sadly the powers of power and control have more to say than the real, honest, and knowledgeable people.

    Like all things these days GREED is the essence of knowledge.

    Fifty years ago they said that asbestos wouldn’t kill you.

    If the sensitivity to other Wi Fi communications equipment is noted by most Computer Technical Forums, by suggesting to encase such equipment in a Faraday cage to eliminate interference and control, then why is it so that a human body that is a form of an electro magnetic system that is controlled by electric pulses by the brain cannot be effected by Wi Fi emissions.

    It’s very obvious that all these armchair experts who make ridiculous and offensive remarks about the person in question, has as much intelligence and commonsense as the fingernail of my little finger.

    Always remember that even DDT was claimed to be safe, and then again Dieldrin in the 1970s was also claimed to be safe, and then again the tobacco companies ensured the smokers that smoking cigarettes was also safe.

    It's a shame that all the EMR has stewed the brain of these so-called armchair experts.

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    Wi Fi Sufferer (profile), Jul 30th, 2010 @ 6:53pm

    Re: Clearing up a few points

    Thanks commenting.

    I am a Wi Fi sufferer and suffer extreme health problems ever since our retirement village removed the safe and reliable cable/phone emergency call system and replaced it with seven HF and Wi Fi wireless transmitters.

    My health problems became worse and as usual the medicos always diagnose old age.

    Then for three days the Wi Fi transmitters had been turned off accidently for three days and during those three days my health was normal. I had no idea that the Wi Fi had been turned off, but couldn't believe the renewal of my health for that short time.

    It has got worse since they have now increased the output of these Wi Fi transmitters, and have constructed more mobile phone towers around were I live.

    The increase of brain tumoure in children under the age of 12 years is staggering, and including all other illnesses, such as ADD, Autism, and Cerebal Palsy.

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    Lucy, Oct 26th, 2010 @ 2:05pm

    Wireless sensitivity

    Hello,

    I am in my late fifties and since retiring I have spent a lot of time enjoying the computer. My daughter had a Mac lap top and I saw the freedom it gave her then wanting to do emailing and other things without be confined to your computer room. Last year for my birthday I was given one of the new smaller netbooks. It was just what I needed, and I could take it anywhere or watch tv at night and do my emailing. I loved it. About four months ago my hands started getting this terrible painful tingling and the tips of my fingers would start to swell. My husband who has worked with computers for years at our university told me I could be developing a sensitivity to my wireless netbook. I had never heard of such a thing and continued to use my netbook but the pain became worse in my hands almost like I had a shock when you plug in something and it short circuts. I knew it was not carputunal.

    My husband suggested not using my netbook for a few days and I did and the pain went away. When I went back to using it because I didn't want to give it up and I am very stubborn but it became worse. In fact before my hands even reached the keyboard I had pain and I would still use it and then the pain would go up my arm and ended up feeling sick.

    I am not exaggerating and never would believe this and am so frustrated because I am so limited to using it now.

    Some people with silly false stories ruin for the ones who suffer and then people think your a over reacting. My daughter is a nurse and finds this hard to believe but my husband says this is what is causing all my pain and when I don't use it I have no pain in fact in a lot of pain sending this message

    Believe me if you want I am just telling you my story and not happy that this has happened

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    Derrick, Sep 20th, 2012 @ 2:45pm

    Re: Re: I'm sensitive to eletromagnetic radiation too.

    There is a legit condition known as Photo-sensitivity. It's the same thing. wifi is just sunlight at a different wavelength/amplitude. Ill bet you dont tan very good either. Normal people would burn in the same way if they put thier hand in a microwave oven or stand in front of a satalite internet dish for too long. (high power microwaves are the same thing as wifi just a different wavelength and amplitude)

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    dennis, Dec 25th, 2014 @ 2:17pm

    wifi and effects on health

    i get headaches from wifi signals. i found this out by purchasing a modem from staples and i plgged it in and turned it on for 2 days. after the 2 days i have found i had a headache from the modem. i then unplugged it for another 2 days. AND GUESS WHAT? my headache went away.

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    Anonymous Coward, Jan 10th, 2015 @ 3:20pm

    Re: Proven to be BS...

    Once he lawyered up, the only real response is a motion to dismiss.

    This claim has so many holes in it...

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    Lynn, May 15th, 2015 @ 11:14pm

    Re: Proven to be BS...

    I can tell...I can here WiFi....I can hear the signal and it keeps me awake at night. My neighbours won't turn it off either. Simply self involved individuals that don't care about causing stress and harm to others. Wifi is a real problem for all of us as it is now proven to be a cause of cancer and EHS. It will be just like lead in paint and asbestos in homes ...we will find out later than sooner about WiFi health impacts

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    Lynn, May 15th, 2015 @ 11:20pm

    Re:

    Brian
    I had Lyme disease which lead to EHS There are people who feel the health impact of wireless ( WiFi ) Why Fry ..it is radiation and any radiation is to much radiation with so much of it around us all now. Even in Canada now the Medical Assco is reporting new studies that prove wifi causes cancer. Your the moron for being so uninformed and so rude to insult this mans horrible dilemma, electronic harassment is no joke. Check out C4ST.org and get informed

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    Lynn, May 15th, 2015 @ 11:40pm

    Re: Re: About electromagnetic sensitivity

    Thanks for being open minded. Just like some are sensitive to certain foods some are sensitive to wireless. This has been proven by Dr Blyth from Harvard and other doctors are now researching and discovering a link to cancer with wireless. The international doctors appeal is reaching out to inform the public about wireless health impacts on children. France is banning wifi in schools and other countries are taking notice. In Sweden there already exists a disability from wireless ..EHS. I wish people on this site would get informed before they throw out judgmental cruel
    remarks. This is the biggest biological experiment on the earth presently. We know now that the effects of wireless are accumulative over a period of time but for some they are instant and it is a painful reaction. Those with EHS are the canaries in the coal mine...maybe others should be for warned by their ability to feel wireless radiation.

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    Lynn, May 15th, 2015 @ 11:46pm

    Re: Better yet

    I'd hate to be your neighbour...get informed!
    What if this was happening to you ...maybe you would shoot yourself in the head? Then we would have less people like you around. Cruel!

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    Lynn, May 16th, 2015 @ 12:09am

    Re:

    I had to go all the way to Spain to a German doctor who knew finally what was wrong with me. The plane trip just about did me in....radiation is strong on planes. I am EHS and all you savvy techy dudes can laugh and make fun of us like bullies but trust me this DOES exsist. No one makes this shit up. No one wants to suffer such pain and unfortunately certain illness can set one up to have EHS ...Electromagnetic Hyper-Sensitivity for those of you who don't have a clue what EHS is. Yes possibly some will evolve to be resilient. There is now studies that prove ( C4ST.org Dr Blyth Harvard and Dr Haavas ) that accumulative exposure to constant radiation frequencies , especially when we sleep are causing cancer and tinnitus, insomnia, and who knows what else. The World Health Organization has noted it as a carcinogen. Go ahead and bash others that are standing up to the wireless masses but if it happens to one of your family members or to you don't be surprised what karma you will experience...for those of you who have stated such cruel remarks about this man and showing such ignorance instead of getting informed and having some compassion. Shame on you!
    makes me wonder how you were all raised...on violent video games no doubt ! God I pray people like you are not part of the "natural selection"

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 24th, 2015 @ 5:33pm

    Being affected by 'WiFi' is as real as you can get.

    Electromagnetic Frequencies (EMF's) span a - Ranged Spectrum -, all that exists is 'radiation' in some form, but where it is along the 'spectrum' is what defines what it does, how it 'looks' (our eyes have a limited sensitivity, can only see a range of the 'spectrum'),how it sounds, etc (same way dogs can hear a different 'range' of sounds than humans, etc.)

    The reason WiFi is dangerous is because it uses the spectrum which microwaves use. Hence comparing it to 'sunlight' or the 'earths magnetic field' is asinine and shows any such persons level of ignorance who compares them.

    Understand these if you want to understand this 'wireless' situation:

    1 - EMF damage is -- Cumulative --. I never had 'EHS' symptoms or problems, now WiFi causes me severe pain, as well as electromagnetic fields from various devices (especially using switch-mode power supplies)

    2 - Tied in with the above point - EMF damage goes by critical 'thresholds', meaning once something happens that 'destroys' a threshold tolerance you have, you then become 'affected' by frequencies in that range. This is best understood by example -

    I used to use a desktop computer, on a monitor, AND have an xbox running to alternate with (switched the two using the same monitor), absolutely no problems - FOR 16 HOURS A DAY ALMOST 7 DAYS A WEEK (for --YEARS--, but note there was little WiFi exposure back then)).

    Then, one day I wanted to upgrade my video card, I did so, had a suggestion to upgrade the power supply from the store. I did so. I then began to have brutal headaches when I started using the desktop (just after a couple of minutes of turning it on). Didn't take long to realize (obviously), that it was the new parts I installed doing it. Upon researching, it was obvious it was the power supply that did it.

    Now here's the kicker folks, read this and tell everyone. After I obviously stopped trying to use that computer (tried for about 20 minutes at a time once per day, over a few days, then sold the 'upgrades'),

    -->> I THEN BECOME 'SENSITIZED' TO MY XBOX, WIFI SIGNALS, MY DESKTOP COMPUTER, etc etc.

    Meaning ALL THE THINGS I WAS ABLE TO USE BEFORE FOR 16 HOURS A DAY NO PROBLEM, I was now having massive pains in various parts of my face, depending which one was I using (the xbox now makes my right cheekbone ache, the desktop computer gives me brain-pain and WiFi burns my skin).

    It is a 'threshold' effect that you 'cross', and then -Cannot go back-. You are 'fine' _up to that point_, then upon having a 'too-much' instigating event (i.e. new computer, new cell phone, etc), that exposes you to a 'new frequency', you then get 'damaged' which your body cannot then undo.

    I once 'lol-ed' at hearing 'tin-foil hat' stories, I didn't necessarily make fun of them but obviously didn't know what to think.

    I now am a fantastic example of how all this stuff works (note there were other causative factors, but trying to keep this mail short). I had dental xrays (panoramic 180 3d modelling field), plus a bunch in a certain area specific to a certain tooth (dentists all told me the x-rays were 'perfectly safe', when I tried to state I wasn't comfortable getting so many x-rays), and now in that -Exact- spot, am HIGHLY sensitized to Wifi signals. I can feel my skin 'burning' and stabbing especially during 'peak' WiFi usage times.

    It has gotten to a point now that you can SEE the clear 'pock-marks' as my skin deforms, Exactly in the spot I feel that 'burning'.

    There is absolutely NOTHING 'imagined' in all this, it's easily verifiable by anyone simply looking at my face.

    3. The difference between people who say, 'well I'm 105 years old and was in electronics/radar/bum-hair analyzing for 50 years and never had a problem! So this all must be fake!!11', and those who are actually experiencing problems, are typically related to this -

    People (such as the above 'scoffers' who 'worked in an electrical profession'), do not understand there is a DIFFERENCE between 'linear mode' power supplies and 'switch-mode' power supplies.
    Linear mode power supplies have very low EMF 'noise', that is to say, they give off very little 'dirty frequencies'. Linear power supplies give off a relatively small range of frequencies in a relatively little area.

    Switch-mode power supplies are the EXACT OPPOSITE, they give off MASSIVE amounts of 'dirty electrical' noise. This is easily analyzed by any type of appropriate electrical sensor. The frequency bands 'spike' to huge levels, levels that (of course) interrupt the body cells and signals.

    Basically linear mode give off 'heat', whereas switch mode give off 'electrical frequencies'.

    Saying, "I worked in electrical profession for long and I have no problems!" is beyond ignorant and asinine, because it's the -Type- of power supplies and frequencies you were exposed to that causes the damage.

    Interestingly, almost all power supplies used to be 'Linear' mode from around 1990s and before. After 2012 Linear's are now -Banned-, with only Switch-mode being made. (For 'eco' reasons...)

    And the cases of 'EHS' are skyrocketing.

    You figure it out.

    As noted with my recent onset of 'EHS', guess which power supplies I'm okay to be around? And which hurt and cause me a lot of pain?

    You figure it out.

    If that wasn't enough, there are TONS of information on professions that actually do/have caused people massive amounts of EMF damage leading to 'EHS'.

    But they are expertly hidden and concealed among all the layers the internet provides, once again, it's a choice for a person to either be 'ignorant', or look for the truth.


    4 - Also to discuss commenters like "Well OmGz there ARZ POPLS aRouaNDD cell-tOwerZ, TV STATIONS etcZZ that haVZ no problemsZZ!!!111"

    Actually the complete opposite is true, some of the most pertinent documented 'evidence' (as in legal medically binding 'proofs' of these types of cases) revolve around 'cancer clusters' and leukemia clusters and (now quickly appearing 'EHS' clusters) involves people situated around areas that have various 'transmitting antennaes', tv/radio station broadcasters etc etc.

    All relate to these exact symptoms and health problems tied to wireless frequencies, radiation over time, etc etc

    Again, anyone stating otherwise is either ignorant or an agent.

    Military Radar Operators were some of the first displaying classic 'EMF Sensitivity' issues. Those are clear mirrors to 'WiFi' sensitive people, they use similar frequency bands, and who would've thought? - Cause the same set of symptoms when exposed 'over time'.

    There are thousands of medical reports on these cases, none of it was 'imagined' or 'psychological'.


    5 - "If the above is all true, why does Wiki tell me specifically that 'EHS isn't proven and in fact case studies show people cannot tell the difference when exposed to fields or not?" -

    Because Wiki is flat out LYING and is NOT serving -you-, as a 'public commoner', in your 'best interest', by telling you the whole and COMPLETE 'truth'.

    First off, Wiki is another branch of the government just like the whole internet itself is, if the government has an 'agenda' to push wireless technology for surveillance purposes, it will 'defend' it's right to do so. Anything under it's jurisdiction (which is ALL of media in case you didn't know..), will befit it's 'public information' to befit the agenda.

    You will not find a company talking 'bad' about itself when trying to sell you a product, so you will not find any 'bad' (as in telling you it's dangers) information on wireless if that's the government agenda, when given through a 'media' view. (that means you need to look at actual scientific studies to find the real truth, and even those are biased based on funding, agendas, etc)

    Most of all, on a technical level, they 'spin' the info based on proven garbage studies, that is to say, they turn a WEAK field on and off in less than a few minutes, which obviously is not enough time for anyone, regardless of 'sensitivity', to tell what is going on.

    You obviously need a few minutes, and, it must be directed at the Frequencies the person is actually '- Sensitized To-'.

    If you find the above difficult to understand look at it this way, imagine Wiki telling you, 'It is medically 'proven' no-one can tell when their skin is getting hotter'..

    Guess what! You can make that statement and it would be 'True'! If your study involves putting someone in a large room 20 feet away from a small heater and saying, 'Okay, you say you are 'sensitive' to heat, but we're going to PROVE otherwise!'. They then 'turn on' the heat, at low power, and 2 minutes ask, "Ok, so supposedly you are sensitive to heat, so is the heater on?"

    obviously, HOW THE HECK IS ANYONE GOING TO KNOW?..

    of course not, but, if you do a PROPER study, either A. 'Ok there are 'heat sensitives' that say if we stick your head in an oven and put it on 300Celsius you're going to feel it in less than a minute', would you deny the result?

    OR, more appropriately,

    B. "okay, there are heat sensitives, we're going to put them in a room, with a heater, turn it on, --and give it time to heat the room--, and ask them if it's on", guess what?.. most will tell you easily, 'well yeah I can feel the 'build up' of heat on my body, it must be on"

    All you scoffers saying, "Well duh but I could feel heat too!" are exactly right, and yet 'wrong', that's the point of this all, the 'EHS'ers are people who are sensitized to feeling frequencies which 'built up' in their system, which cause specific damage to organs/pathways related to those frequencies, eventually causes symptoms. Whereas the 'normal' types still have enough DNA/systemic protection (from not having been damaged in those specific areas) that they do not feel or have those 'emf' effects - at least not at a 'self-aware' level (the damage is still being done biologically beneath their 'noticing').

    Proper 'studies' done, through honest channels (i.e. not 'wiki'), prove this time and time again, never mind my own experiences and even people that began to post on here.

    It's all the same, damage done over time, which reduces your 'armor' to these fields, which leave you 'vulnerable' and susceptible to more and more frequencies at less and less 'levels'

    All human 'senses' are as such, some can handle more noise than others, some notice colours more, some are okay being fat slobs others are bothered by 3 extra lbs around their gut, etc etc

    In fact, another great example of this is, are, teeth, tooth decay and 'sensitive teeth'. DON'T BRING UP TOOTHPASTE COMMERCIALS for 'sensitive' teeth, but speaking in common sense terms, (myself as an example), it's the same deal. If you are young, good dental hygiene, nice full gum-lines, you can pretty much eat anything and 'get away' with it. Eat foods with a ton of sugar, no problem.

    But, let's say you're someone that didn't have good dental hygiene, you brushed 'wrong' (I did that, brushed 'towards' the gum-line), ate too much sugar, etc.

    Eventually your gums 'erode', and you get weakened tooth enamel, corroded dentin and holes in your teeth.

    Well guess what!

    Those 'same' foods? Forget it.. eat sugar, within minutes your teeth start aching. Too 'hot', too 'cold', all the same. Whereever your have the 'exposed' teeth, the lack of gum-line, thinned out dentin, etc, are all spots you 'feel the pain' when you eat the sugar that feeds the bacteria, the temperatures you used to be able to handle before etc.

    Your body is a true 'miracle' of protective mechanisms, adaptive responses, barriers and 'stops', to a vast variety of dangers and harmful environmental influences.

    They can all be 'destroyed', quickly or slowly, and, now, especially with these new 'tech' Wifi etc, can by 'bypassed' altogether.

    Use your brain none of this is difficult to understand.

    Finally, 'Wiki' is total nonsense for THIS reason -

    they completely 'leave out' all the THOUSANDS of studies done that show clear - Biological - effects on animals.

    That's - A N I M A L S -

    Animals that don't know what 'wifi' is, animals that don't care about 'psycho-somatic complaining', animals that have no interest in 'suing' anybody,

    etc etc

    Animal studies done over and over that show clear physiological/biological affects from various fields, frequencies, etc

    ALL REPRODUCIBLE over and over.

    Same fields, same exposures - same results.

    (This includes blood clumping and deformation (blood has iron, very susceptible to electromagnetic fields), DNA, Chromosome destruction/mutations, sterility/infertility, it just goes on and on..)

    The 'with-holding' of all these blatant animals studies done Around the World, by all manner of scientists etc, especially compounded by 'making fun' of EHS sufferers as if they're a bunch of 'weirdos' or something,

    is definite ' Food for Though ' as to what and 'who' 'Wiki's' really 'working for'.


    It should be obvious by now 'Wiki' cannot truly be trusted on anything important and relevant - you were warned.


    6 - All the above points make total perfect sense if you -- Simply know yourself --, that is to say, ' How your body works '

    All, that's ALL, your bodies functions work based on ELECTRICAL SIGNALS, that's electrical 'impulses', charges, frequencies etc etc

    Anything occurring in your body does so because it is 'communicating' with other cells, substances, markers and pathways based on -- electrical charges --. If a cell wants/needs to uptake a 'protein' it does so by relaying the appropriate 'charge' in it's cell wall, based on a 'hole' it has specially relayed to 'fit' the opposing charge of that protein (for example).

    In 'normal' functioning the cell wall (as an example), will 'signal' that it needs a protein to recover some damage let's say (as in you worked out for example), then, a 'passing protein', that 'fits' that open hole sending out the appropriate 'charge', will then come and 'fill' and 'unify' with the cell, because it had the appropriate charge for that fit.

    If you understand that, you can understand many things, for example this is why fluoride is dangerous, (as in many other chemicals, formulas, 'foods', etc), because you can have 'mimickers' that mimick substances your body needs, but to not actually fulfill that 'role'.

    Using fluoride as the example, it tends to mimick magnesium (same 'charge' interaction) and in cases of 'fluoride poisoning', you see exactly what you would see if you were deficient in magnesium, or your magnesium uptake pathways were distorted etc.

    Simply Put - being around these 'Wireless fields' are created havoc on people's bodies because they 'step-in' and interrupt all those microscope cellular interactions based on 'charges' and 'potentials' and electrical impulses etc.

    EMF's simply 'bully' your bodies own charges creating 'noise' in your cellular functioning, because they are an inherently "stronger" signal that overpowers your minutely weak, BUT EVER-PRESENT, cellular signals.

    Understanding this also makes it easy to understand why 'some' people are affected more than others, it's actually simple and common sense, if you're in a 'dangerous wifi field' for only 2 hours, then you have the other 22 hours to 'heal' the damage.

    So obviously not everyone 'exposed' to wifi here and there is going to notice, of course not, they haven't had all that damage built up over time, their body still had time to 'heal' etc.

    The vast amount of 'EHS' sufferers always show a clear pattern of having been 'stuck' in fields they can't escape, i.e. like the -- guy in the article --, exactly like my situation was/(and is), people in 'careers/jobs' and many others.

    You also see the clear correlation between distance, strength of the signal, -number- of signals (as in apartment dwellers surrounded by 30 WiFi signals, compared to an isolated home only having one router) etc.


    Imagine if you will if I told you 'You're going to be a murderer because someone will get in front of you and talk while you talk'.
    No average person (even if they think they are highly intelligent.. ) will seriously think they could be made a 'murderer' by that example.

    Again, being told 'because someone will stand in front of you and talk'.

    There's no way, they'd have to be crazy to believe that.

    Okay, so let's say this.. You wake up, nice day! You go out your room, say 'hi' to your parents..

    Guy appears out of nowhere, standing between you and your parents, 'bla bla bla', he says, effectively meaning, -- your parents don't hear YOU, they hear 'bla bla bla' from the guy that just appeared.

    You think, 'hey, this is weird, but whatever.. '

    You eat breakfast, go to school, you're like, "Oh man! I gotta say hi to that girl I like! Then during lunch I'm going to talk to her and get her number!!"

    You say 'Hi', guy appears, standing between you and her, all she hears is 'the exponential differential of the satellite was..' from some guy with a deeper, louder, different voice.

    "huh?" she says, "whatever that was.."

    You go to class, a bit flustered.. but whatever.. you sit, ready to do your schoolwork, you do want to 'succeed' right? pass the course, get good grades, get a good job..

    "So, Michael, what was the result of your thesis on genera in the floriscutum dioretheum flora sub-types?"

    Oh yeah, you're going to impress them now, "Well, I discovered that Florisceums have a breeding stage of 20 weeks which can invade waterways causing effective disruption of boat delivery services reducing profits to a company by 30%!"

    Your teacher hears, as the guy 'appears', "Touch my testicles they are large just for you"..

    Your speeches cancel each other out.

    "What? Michael I don't understand, obviously you didn't do your homework.."

    "What! I did! Listen to me!! I'm telling you what I " - "bla bla bla"

    'omg'

    'can't anyone hear me? i'm talking to them.. !!!'

    "Wait! Don't they see that guy 'appear' out of nowhere!! They must be able to!!"

    "No, that's just it, they don't SEE him, he's INVISIBLE to everyone but me!!..."

    goes to the lunch room, "what? what was your order? I can't understand.. go away"

    goes to the mall, "what? what did you want? I can't hear you, go away.."

    Next day.. same thing..

    "okay, i'm cool.. I can handle this.. "

    3 months later, "Man!! why's that girl dating that guy!! he's such a dork, I'm so much hotter!! what the hell!!"

    6 months later, "Sorry Michael, you failed your course, you seem to have problems explaining yourself in class, you don't seem to know how to get help to finish your assignments.."

    "But, BUT!! I do!! Just no one ever hears me!!! "

    "what? what Michael? see this must be what the teachers talking about.. "

    12 months later, failed school, parents think you're whack, no friends, can't shop, can't do anything, can't 'function'..

    "This is freakin it.. I'm going to KILL this ----er!!!!"

    You go to talk to your father, the 'guy' appears, YOU CAN'T TAKE ANYMORE

    pull out the gun, starts to shoot..


    guy turns around,

    "Well Michael, .."

    "HUH!!?? " - "YOU'RE TALKING TO ME???"

    "well of course Michael!.. oh you're silly, are you surprised? "

    "well .."

    "you see Michael, I was a - "

    "A MOTHER-#%@$%%&%^ #$#%^% WHO RUINED MY LIFE!!!"


    "an angel Michael, an angel.."

    .. "huh??"

    "yes, you see I was an angel.. sent to help you learn an important lesson.."

    "err... go on.."

    "you see, some time ago, you scoffed and mocked people that talked about how WiFi was causing them pain and suffering.. "

    "err, I think I remember that, oh yeah!! Weirdos saying Wifi hurts them or some sh--!!.."

    ...

    "well, they are weirdos aren't they?.. I think..."

    "you see Michael, what made you want to kill me? "

    "i don't know, everything I tried to do, well, whenever I tried to talk to someone.. "

    "that's right, I stepped in and blocked/warped your 'conversation'.. "

    "umm yeah.. okay..?"

    "Michael, that is how all your little cells work in your body, they all 'talk' to each other using their own little electrical frequencies.. "

    "yeah but.."

    "Michael, whenever I 'stepped in' and interrupted your conversation with others, what was I doing?.."

    "well you were getting in the way!! So annoying!!"

    "yes but what was I -literally- doing?.. "

    "i don't know, talking? what does that have to do with wifi??"

    "Michael, what is 'talking', literally?.."

    "well I don't know.. hmm.. .. oh wait, hold on, I know.. "

    "talking is frequencies and wavelengths going through the air, isn't it?"

    "that's exactly right Michael.. all I was doing was not even 'stopping' you, but simply adding my own frequencies to YOUR frequencies.. effectively making it impossible to communicate what you were actually trying to say.. "

    "no matter how bad you wanted to"

    "hmm.. "

    "wow you know you have a point.."

    "and remember Michael, did you want to kill me at first? right away?.."

    "well no, I thought ..well I didn't know what to think actually at first.."

    "exactly Michael, so it is with the people you were making fun of. None of them instantly died or got hurt by simple frequencies.. "

    "They all simply had their normal functions interrupted and -over time- all the 'serious' problems began to show, exactly like what happened to you"

    "Remember, you can see when I appear, as I block light.. people may not see me directly, but my presence is always there if people would simply look at my shadow."

    "Yeah that's so true I tried to tell.."

    "Tried to tell them what Michael? Did not all those people trying to tell you about those strange electronic frequencies tell you you simply could look at an electronic sensory device to see all those signals in the air?"

    "well yeah they pointed out WiFi is easily measured in the air... "

    "Did you not understand what they were saying? "

    ".."

    " Why did you not bother to look? "

    "well.. "

    "..."


    "So, Michael, did you learn your lesson?.."

    "Wow yeah, now that I looked at it this way, I sure did.."

    "wait Michael, ".. "??"

    "Did you -Really-"

    "what do you mean? I.. I don't get it.."

    "why are you staring at me like that??.. "

    "what did you learn Michael..

    besides some scientific information.. "

    "Well I dont' know I what was I supposed to.."


    - BANG BANG -


    "ARGhgh!!!! You killed me!!! I'm your father what did you dooooooOOOOooooooo"


    - Michael is in court defending himself against the charge of 'Murder'.. -


    "No I'm telling you!! Im' telling you what happened!! Why won't you guys listen to me!! It happened to me I'm being serious!!"

    - most everyone scoffs and laughs -

    "He would appear out of nowhere, get in the way of any conversation I had!! He made it impossible to talk with anybo..."

    "Yeah and aliens are coming to Earth right?"

    - HAHAHA - courtroom laughter -

    "Listen you guys don't understand, He was -Invisbile-!! that's what makes it so confusing -I- can see him, but nobody else!!"

    - Michael looks around can't believe nobody is listening to him -

    "Look I realized he would make shadows by blocking light but nobody would look at the floor!! "

    - HAHAHAH - - courtroom fills with laughter -

    "But, But.. why won't you guys listen to me!! I'm not lying I'm telling the truth!!.."

    "Alright enough of this courtroom charade! You are guilty of murder in the highest degree! Your own father!! "

    "But! But!! "


    " HHAHAHA "

    - 'what a weirdo!! Guy out of nowhere appearing and disrupting his 'conversations'' hahahah mass laughter -


    - poof - angel-person appears -


    "Did you Michael? Did you 'get it'?"

    "Yes! Ye.."

    "What did you 'get' Michael?"

    "What did you finally understand?"


    " Hummility.. "

    " I understand Humility..

    Not to judge others before I understand their situation myself.. "


    "Unfortunately, it took you so long your soul has been judged and deemed to be fit only for purgatory, as your 'real-life' prison sentence plays out"

    "bu.."


    - jury and audience laughs hysterically -



    "You people are a bunch of animals!!! What's the matter with you!!"

    "It's too late Michael, they can't hear you.. Just like you didn't hear 'them', .."

    "....."

    " May your Soul, though bound in Darkness..

    Serve Others, to Seek the Light.."

    ---


    This is all common sense folks,


    ---


    To All decent people, be aware the internet is FULL of Paid disinformation agents, 'trolls' and 'perception management' agents. It is a fact corporations pay -actual companies- to fill the internet forums with such 'comments' etc to specifically lie, confuse and 'spin' any real facts and knowledge.
    This is how companies 'fight' to maintain their dominance to be able to sell products that are obviously known to be dangerous.

    Do NOT try to 'argue' with anyone who is close-minded, trying to create 'spin' or is debating with nonsense. You will not 'win' because they are paid to be here.

    The agents are exceptionally dangerous because the better ones will 'spin' information by deflecting it to other 'causes', a great example is people do complain about computers, wifi, cellphones etc making them sick, then someone will 'spin' it into 'yeah people have a reaction to flashing lights here's the research', so normal people will think 'flashing screens' are making them sick, while being completely unaware of the 'real' problem.

    You would not leave your 6 year old daughter with drugged-out strangers in a dark alley at night, yet these internet forums where naïve 'innocent' people come to seek information are horror shows of psychological abuse and manipulation, people are 'raped' psychologically and intellectually and do not even realize it.

    These internet agents 'prey' upon people who do not know themselves, understand their own symptoms or have the time to look into it.

    They cannot flatout delete every message or block every post (not yet at least), so these agents misdirect and spin every reasonable post.

    Anyone not an agent has to realize the ultimate goal of 'WiFi' is to depopulate through sterilization.

    Just like my skin is obviously getting DNA damaged more and more (again, results are obvious just by looking at it), so it is WiFi passes through the skin and does that kind of damage to the reproductive cells etc, especially the ovaries in young girls.

    A female's ovaries do not 'reproduce', what they are born with is what they are stuck with. If you can damage those in the early years (when girls are small, have little WiFi defense), then they will be guaranteed to have damaged DNA/ovaries for life.

    This is then compounded by if they manage to have daughters and they too are exposed, by the 3rd generation sterility is guaranteed.

    This has been shown/proven in/by Naval Intelligence move than 50 years ago. (on repeated animal studies, all the same results. I'm sure they 'proven' this to themselves using humans in 'black projects' but let's not get into that..)

    Saying 'There's no proof that WiFi is dangerous because they haven't studied it enough yet' is another blatant agent tactic, the various dangers have been proven a LONG time ago.

    Anyone saying otherwise is either an agent or just ignorant.

    I could write a lot more, be aware you're at the End of the Age people, and the time has come for mass depopulation.

    Protect yourself, and spread good will and knowledge.

    These 'jokers' talking about 'evolution' and 'euthanasia' are completely right, but they fail to understand THEY are the ones that will not continue into the future.

    If you are too ignorant to not look into obvious technical factual evidence on all this stuff (which there are THOUSANDS of studies on), then guess what?..

    What could be better than YOU being sterilized and unable to have kids? So that the world will be a better place without all the foolish, selfish and ignorant animal types running around.

    WiFi and smartmeters, cell-phones and switch-mode power supplies, 'eco' lighting etc are basically for total control and surveillance as well as a soft-kill depopulation tactic.

    -- That's it --


    Anyone saying otherwise is mindless or an agent.


    Good luck to all.

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    Wi Fi Sufferer (profile), Oct 25th, 2015 @ 12:05am

    Re:

    G'day, Wi FI sufferer understand your suffering very well. I think after five years, the public would becoming more aware of the dangers and health risks of microwave non-ionised radiation, as in 1976 the US DIA confirmed that military personnel exposed to MWNIR suffer from neurological, cardiovascular, and haemodynamic disturbances, including neurasthenic symptoms.

    The suffering by most people of the public, government bodies and media from intentional ignorance and blindness syndrome has brainwashed and mind-controlled them.

    It's amazing how the IARC and WHO have classified MWNIR as "2B Carcinogenic", yet they users of the wireless technology of today still ignore and believe if you can't see it then it can't hurt you.

    I bet they wouldn't take a teaspoon of lead each morning before breakfast which is "2B Carcinogenic" as well, including the magnetic fields that emanated form electrical appliances, whites goods and entertainment devices.

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  132. identicon
    Sara, Nov 1st, 2015 @ 10:25pm

    EMF Sensitivity

    You people are really cruel. In Europe they are a little more accepting of the EMF Sensitivity. There are studies around the world that show biological effects from RF's. Do your home work folks. FCC guidelines are inadequate. Other countries are beginning to recommend much lower RF exposure. A few libraries in Paris are discontinuing wifi and installing wired internet. These sensitivities are real. I know many people who get headaches, ear ringing and other symptoms from RF exposure at varying levels.

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