Jenzabar Says That Google Blog Post Is 'Hearsay', Not Official Google Statement

from the good-luck-with-that dept

Last month, we wrote about the highly troubling efforts by the head of software firm Jenzabar to abuse trademark law to stifle criticism of that company's founder and CEO (who, earlier in her life, was famous for "leading" part of the student uprising in Tiananmen Square). She was upset at the makers of a documentary film that was somewhat critical of her, and she tried to use trademark law against them, after an attempt at defamation failed. There is simply no trademark violation at all in this situation... but it is a company with lots of cash suing some independent documentary film makers, so it has all the appearances of filing a lawsuit just to cause trouble for the filmmakers.

Our posts were based on some blog posts by Public Citizen, criticizing Jenzabar and its founder/CEO Ling Chai. Rather than recognizing that it's going too far, Jenzabar apparently decided to go on the attack. Public Citizen's Paul Alan Levy alerts us to the news that Chai and Jenzabar are now claiming that Public Citizen's blogging about the case is illegal.

Specifically, the complaint from Jenzabar is that Levy pointing out that Google has stated that it does not use metatags in its search algorithms is not admissible and will "cause prejudice," because it is not an official statement from Google. That, of course, is silly. Google has made it clear for a while that it doesn't use metatags, but this particular announcement came from Google's Matt Cutts (disclaimer: an acquaintance/friend of mine) and was on Google's official blog, and Matt regularly speaks for Google on these sorts of issues. Yet, Jenzabar claims that it's "hearsay." That seems like a pretty difficult position to take. Jenzabar really wants to keep insisting that Google uses metatags, even as Google is making clear it does not? And it wants to force the court to censor blog posts to keep living in that fantasy world? Good luck with that...

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  1. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, Nov 9th, 2009 @ 12:45pm

    Would there not be more concern if they were taking something typed on a blog as 'an official statement'. Having spent so much time trying to defend blogging and comments as conversation, why be concerned when the language is observed in exactly that fashion?

    Sure there will be some wonderfully slimy bags who will find ways to exploit that viewpoint, but they will be easily recognized as part of a douche kit.

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    Overcast (profile), Nov 9th, 2009 @ 1:07pm

    Gotta love 'educational organizations' with a closed mind.

    Education or Indoctrination? lol

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  3. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, Nov 9th, 2009 @ 1:31pm

    Sue them!!!!!!!!

    Name Jenzabar sounds very much like the great nation of Zanzibar.

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    lux (profile), Nov 9th, 2009 @ 3:18pm


    Grammar nazi's be damned, but where oh where is the closing right parenthesis on the first parenthetical statement?! It's like a multiple line IF statement without the closing bracket! Drives me nuts!

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    Mike Masnick (profile), Nov 9th, 2009 @ 3:50pm

    Re: Pendant

    Oops. Fixed. Sorry.

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  6. identicon
    Ben, Nov 9th, 2009 @ 5:44pm

    It is hearsay

    So, yeah. It is hearsay.

    In a legal sense, hearsay is any out of court statement admitted to prove the truth of the matter. Here, a blog post is an out of court statement, and it would be admitted to prove the truth of the matter, that google doesn't use meta tags in its ranking.

    That being said. It doesn't really matter. If google wants to get that in court they can just bring someone with first hand knowledge in to testify to that fact. It's just easier if someone doesn't have to give testimony.

    Just in case someone calls me on this, the only way it would get in as an admission of a party opponent is if Jenzabar wants to bring the statement in. Google couldn't bring it in under that exception to the hearsay rule. They could try to argue that it was a business memorandum/record, but that's probably a bit of a stretch.

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    Song Song, Nov 9th, 2009 @ 7:16pm

    Missed the point

    The primary reason that the Jenzabar company is accusing Public Citizen lawyer Paul Levy of spreading 'hearsay' information on his blog is that they want to prevent him from helping the small non-profit film company. There doesn't seem to be any plausible trademark case. Paul Levy is an excellent lawyer and he is a pro bono lawyer. Jenzabar has filed a document asking the court to prevent Paul Levy from working on this case. (See The non-profit film company (Long Bow Group) says Jenzabar's main goal is to drive them into bankruptcy.

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  8. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, Mar 22nd, 2010 @ 9:19am

    Jenzabar is a sinking ship. Who will ever buy their product when the people who represent them know nothing about customer service? They, and their founder have such a bad reputation. Maybe the problem is Jenzabar and Chai Ling... not everyone else?

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 10th, 2010 @ 8:40pm

    This Jenzabar whore is a cunt

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 10th, 2010 @ 8:46pm

    Careful, people. Harsh names are not the answer.

    It is very interesting that Jenzabar is still in business after years of losing clients to the larger, more established and respected competitor. Their market share continues to diminish, and yet the continue to make claims of being a leader in the industry. Check the Gartner Magic Quadrant and see where they are listed. NOT a leader.

    After our institutions rigorous investigations, there is only one strong ERP provider using the latest technologies from Microsoft, is completely integrated, and continues to post positive corporate numbers year after year. It is NOT Jenzabar, Campus Management, Sungard, or Oracle. If your institution is seriously interested in moveing forward with technology, functionality, and a solid business partner, look no further than Datatel. Our institution put them all through the ringer this year. Datatel was the obvious leader in all respects. Nuf said.

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