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by Mike Masnick


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Parents Think The Internet Is More Dangerous Than Drugs Or Drunk Driving?

from the that's-what-the-press-taught-them dept

We've discussed repeatedly how the press has freaked people out over the greatly overhyped threats of online risks to children. And, not surprisingly, those stories have had an impact. Adam Thierer points us to a Larry Magid column where he's discussing a recent survey that shows many parents are more worried about online threats to their kids than they are about the threat of drunk driving or drugs. Magid points out how silly this is, and how low the real risk is to kids surfing the internet. He's the latest mainstream press columnist to realize how much the mainstream press has overplayed this threat for years. It's just too bad that it's taken this long for everyone to realize the threat online isn't nearly as big as it has been made out to be.

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  • identicon
    JoeTheDeveloper, 4 Nov 2008 @ 12:27pm

    The Scared Mommies strike again

    Luckily with the Republicans plunging us into "the Bush Depression", soon the Scared Mommies may have "real" things to worry about and can stop trying to get the rest of the world to conform to some Fisher Price ideal of child-safe they have. Protect your own kids people, they mean next to nothing to me.

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      Greg, 4 Nov 2008 @ 1:14pm

      Re: The Scared Mommies strike again

      Bush Depression? you're an idiot. the rest of your post isn't bad.

      If only you'd started with "Soon the Scared Mommies...'" but the first part renders your entire statement null & void.

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        Anonymous Coward, 4 Nov 2008 @ 1:22pm

        Re: Re: The Scared Mommies strike again

        Sigh.

        Greg, you are probably a person who hates knee-jerk reactions, right?

        Then don't knee-jerk the other way just because he said one stupid thing. Even a fool can be wise at times.

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        Anonymous Coward, 4 Nov 2008 @ 1:31pm

        Re: Re: The Scared Mommies strike again

        I think by Bush depression he means the economic correction that our country is bound to see after 6 years of war, and 8 years of tax cuts for the rich. See, if you borrow a bunch of money to pay for a war, people will want it back eventually.

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          jonnyq, 4 Nov 2008 @ 2:39pm

          Re: Re: Re: The Scared Mommies strike again

          I hate threadjacking as much as the next guy...

          But those tax cuts helped the economy and /boosted/ federal revenue.

          It's the spending that's the problem. I'm not going to argue about the price of war, but that's not even the main place where spending is out of control. The reasons for the economic downturn lie elsewhere. (Though it's easy to see how you could be confused into thinking the tax cuts are related to the downturn, it's just not true)

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            Anonymous Coward, 4 Nov 2008 @ 5:24pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re: The Scared Mommies strike again

            I'm talking about running up the national credit card by borrowing money from future generations. The downturn I'm talking about hasn't started yet, checked out the national debt recently?

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    • identicon
      Anonymous Coward, 24 Feb 2009 @ 12:17pm

      Re: The Scared Mommies strike again

      i hate you

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    Anonymous Coward, 4 Nov 2008 @ 12:30pm

    Mob Think

    " It's just too bad that it's taken this long for everyone to realize the threat online isn't nearly as big as it has been made out to be."

    It hasnt taken anyone "this long", its just ceased to be as profitable to write these stories I would guess. If a journalist did a story on how scary the internet is, he would jsut be trying to sell one of a million similar stories to outlets that have already run trillions of them. Now he decides to do a story about how the internet isnt really that bad . . . well thats a new take, easier to sell.

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    Anonymous of Course, 4 Nov 2008 @ 12:51pm

    Bah!

    If you really cared for the earth you'd
    eat more babies.

    But seriously, am I really to believe that parents
    think the internet is more dangerous to their children
    than drunk driving? It's view so remarkably stupid in
    light of the statistics as to be mind numbing.

    It's the sort of news article that threatens to suffocate
    that little ember of hope for a better future.

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      mobiGeek, 4 Nov 2008 @ 12:56pm

      Re: Bah!

      Headlines rarely quote statistics. And most people don't read past the headline, the opening paragraph and the associated image.

      Bury the stats towards the end of the story, you might as well not both having them.

      Then there is statistics comprehension, or the fundamental lack thereof.

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    Anonymous Coward, 4 Nov 2008 @ 1:31pm

    While the proliferation of Social Networking Sites allow people to connect with friends, and family members, some people are using the candid remarks to an extreme. This includes drinking and driving.

    But equally amazing is that their works seem to preclude any need to re-fill the current Social Security Trust Fund as it's amazingly deflated by our current administration.

    Let me ask one question: Have you seen a recent M3 chart based on Fed Data?

    Sometimes I wonder if collectively myself and the other brothers and sisters will be able to re-fill the SS Trust fund for our parents, or do we just say forget the government programs and do it ourselves.

    Another friend, whom I am quite happy for, is considering moving to Turkey to do some crazy bomb manufacturing under a McCain administration. Now, I was brought in to a fancy company to find out how to make bombs faster and more efficiency. This was all very interesting to me because another college friend of mine was looking at how to make the US DoD ordering process more efficient.

    Other friends were interested in making mortgages go through, even if it meant paying an appraiser to make the house worth 10 or 40k more than it actually was worth. (Hilarious Stories, BTW.)

    But all of this seems to prelude parental usage of overhyped users of internet as they attempt to tie it into online treats for kids, be it Drugs or Drunk Driving.

    Don't get me wrong: NeoCon methodologies work well if you remove variability. However, considering that the US's foundation is based on variability, and creative thinking, our financial system shouldn't be based on a system of absolutes.

    No one is going to be able to pay their bills 100% on time.

    For shit sake, Let your kids be kids. They probably know more than you do. Give your kids a little room, as they will be the ones trying to fill the Social Security Trust fund as you are retiring. Give them a little room as they explore the world. It was quite sad when a college friend with direct lineage to Lewis & Clark was afraid to leave the apartment to go and explore, even though I said:

    "8-10 is yours. Just go and leave: my only ask is that you bring me a receipt that you've been somewhere. I'll pay you $17 an hour for which you are YOU. GO. BE. HAVE FUN. I don't care! Your fucking Great Grandfather has his name all over the Louisiana Purchase. Tap into that."

    They never left. They never were curious. Good Job, NeoCons.

    Overall, we're going to need some creative solutions as we watch the world evolve.

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    Paul, 4 Nov 2008 @ 1:49pm

    unfortunately

    I don't think you can really say "everyone" is finally getting it. I doubt that it will suddenly flip around anytime soon. The internet is still going to be blamed for plenty of more things in the future.

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    Jonathan, 4 Nov 2008 @ 1:57pm

    Only in America

    The fear of the internet in this particular way is mainly an American (maybe North American) phenomenon.

    I have it on good authority that youngsters in the UK play a game called "pass the pedo". The kids over there apparently recognize the deception and don't fall for it.

    What is different there? Certainly not a less inflamatory press. Perhaps more critical thinking is taught earlier?

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    David, 4 Nov 2008 @ 2:12pm

    It would be nice if Bill Gates thought Education Secretary was a good spot. But I digress. Warren is a good guy.

    Not that I know anything...

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    Anonymous Coward, 4 Nov 2008 @ 2:15pm

    People fear what they don't understand.

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    Anonymous Coward, 4 Nov 2008 @ 2:22pm

    I'm a parent, and I'm more "worried about online threats to [my] kids than [I am] about the threat of drunk driving or drugs."

    I'm worried because I don't know enough about them. Drunk driving, and drugs. I understand what those risks are, I know ways to keep my kids from them. It's not that it isn't a concern, I just do what I can and don't worry.

    Online threat? Even the term is vague. Are we talking about someone threatening my kids online, or just the fact that they are online is a threat? Does this include identity theft, voyeurism, child porn and other terrible things?

    I live in a rural enough area that the chance of someone offering my kids drugs or getting hit by a drunk driver is low (highest would be once a month). However just today there are several spam e-mails in my inbox which are not something I would want to see, let alone my kids.

    I'm not saying the Internet is "bad," but I think it is wishful thinking to think it is "safe." The more people you connect with, the greater the risk (and the greater the reward).

    As my kids are very trusting, they are also easy prey. For this reason I worry.

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    zcat, 4 Nov 2008 @ 2:29pm

    "delivering porn and bomb recipies into the hands of children"

    Today is guy-fawkes in NZ (kinda like July 4th in the USA) and last night my kids showed me how you can tape up a bundle of sparklers together and make a huge bang. Apparently they read how to do this on the internet. I'm not sure if I should be concerned about their safety or impressed with their research skills.

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    Thom, 4 Nov 2008 @ 2:49pm

    surprised?

    Parents are like governments. They like ultimate power and control. They fear free thought. They don't tolerate questioning. They provide illusions of rights rather than rights. Is it any surprise they fear the Internet?

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      Francis Burdett, 5 Nov 2008 @ 12:34pm

      Re: surprised?

      "Parents ... like ultimate power and control. They fear free thought. They don't tolerate questioning"


      not to jump to absolute and ridiculous generalizations (AHEM)


      but one might conclude that THOM


      Sprang forth fully formed from the Head of Zeus (and thus never had childhood or parents)

      or

      Might possibly be a surly teenager who has had his WOW privileges taken away.

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    Beta, 4 Nov 2008 @ 3:40pm

    How about all of these together?

    How about Drugs, Drunk Driving while browsing the Internet, that'd be really dangerous.

    I think parents see how much the Internet costs particularly if you're browsing from home and they think spending all the time (therefore money) on it is a bad idea. IMO, it could keep you away from Drunk Driving and Drugs as much as anything else.

    Drugs and Alcohol costs are funneled differently and parents get paranoid only when they learn about it. It's just protectionist fear.

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  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 4 Nov 2008 @ 7:28pm

    One night overheard from a corner near Queen Ann Ave:

    "The IMF will never forgive the US's debt."

    Not my words, but...

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    aliasalpha, 5 Nov 2008 @ 8:42pm

    the poll is probably one of the poorly worded ones that creates too much ambiguity. They probably think that their child is smart enough to not drink & drive or do drugs and so prioritise that lower because of their faith in their kids.

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  • identicon
    Larry Magid, 10 Nov 2008 @ 7:30pm

    Predator Panic

    Thanks for linking to my article but I'm not the "latest" mainstream journalist to point out that predator danger is way overhyped. I've been saying that for years. In fact, there's a chapter largely devoted to the topic in a book I co-write 2 years ago called MySpace Unraveled. You can find plenty of stories where I've been saying this on my site pcanswer.com and in the PCAnswer area of CBSNews.com.

    Larry

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