Andrew Keen Predicts The End Of Gardening And Pickup Basketball

from the if-it's-not-paid,-it's-not-worth-doing dept

So I already wrote about Andrew Keen's ridiculously laughable assertion that the economic downturn would spell the end of all unpaid activity online -- such as blogging, contributing to Wikipedia and developing open source software. The whole thing was so laughable, I asked Keen to put some money behind some of his predictions, though to date I have not heard from him. I'm guessing this means he really does not believe what he writes.

However, I have to bring this up again, because Jesse Walker over at Reason Magazine does such an amazing job demonstrating the basic logic fallacy in Keen's thinking that it's too good not to repeat:
Andrew Keen predicts an end to backyard gardens, playground basketball, basement jam sessions, amateur painting, and open mic nights for the duration of the economic hard times, because "the idea of free labor will suddenly become profoundly unpalatable to someone faced with their house being repossessed or their kids going hungry."

Oh, wait. Hold on. He only predicts an end to unpaid-but-pleasurable labor on the Internet
No one ever does anything that doesn't result in immediately getting paid, apparently.


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    some old guy, Oct 31st, 2008 @ 7:57am

    And Blog commenting too!

    Now that the economy sucks, I would never consider donating my (subjectively) insightful comments to my favorite blogs.

    No sirree... Never. Oh wait. I just did. huh...

     

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    ehrichweiss, Oct 31st, 2008 @ 8:16am

    I guess that he missed...

    He missed the fact that backyard gardening actually saves money. I regularly spend about $10-20 on gardening every year but get back around $200+ in veggies.

    He also missed that people who have jam sessions in their homes aren't doing it because they want to get paid, they're doing it because it's free(mostly) and fun.

    I won't even go into the rest.

     

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    Siburmax, Oct 31st, 2008 @ 8:17am

    Andrew Keen is a tool

    Andrew Keen is a tool. That's it. Nothing more to say. I said it all when I said, Andrew Keen is a tool.

     

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    Ima Fish, Oct 31st, 2008 @ 8:30am

    Does this mean I can stop mowing the lawn? I haven't been paid to mow a lawn since I was 17.

     

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    some old guy, Oct 31st, 2008 @ 8:42am

    Re: Ima Fish

    I hereby give you my permission.

     

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    Lonnie E. Holder, Oct 31st, 2008 @ 8:43am

    Re: Re: Ima Fish

    In fact, if you are finding mowing the lawn that pleasurable, come do mine too.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 31st, 2008 @ 8:56am

    Re: Re: Re: Ima Fish

    mmmm MMmmmm MMMMMMMM the vibrations in my hand, the power I control, the smell of freshly cut grass!! I'm going to mow my lawn TWICE today!

     

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    jonnyq, Oct 31st, 2008 @ 9:09am

    Re: I guess that he missed...

    Umm.. the way I read the quoted text is that Keen never actually said anything about gardening or basketball, but that the author was illustrating the absurdity of Keen's statement by COMPARING internet activity to gardening and basketball.

    I think Mike got the point based on the text of this post, but Mike's headline here is just flat wrong. Of course, I might not have clicked on the headline that was correct: "Andrew Keen Predictions Likened Unto The End Of Gardening And Pickup Basketball"

     

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    Steve S, Oct 31st, 2008 @ 9:25am

    Not enough money

    I was going to write up a decent response to this story but i realized in these tumultuous financial times it wouldn't be worth my time and energy as you are not paying me enough to dedicate myself to the cause

    sorry...

     

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    Mike (profile), Oct 31st, 2008 @ 9:28am

    Re: Re: I guess that he missed...

    I think Mike got the point based on the text of this post, but Mike's headline here is just flat wrong. Of course, I might not have clicked on the headline that was correct: "Andrew Keen Predictions Likened Unto The End Of Gardening And Pickup Basketball"

    The headline is a joke, to play up the absurdity.

     

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    BoilerBob, Oct 31st, 2008 @ 9:43am

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    I'm sure there's an ex-blogger living in their mom's basement that can do it for a few bucks.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 31st, 2008 @ 9:57am

    I asked you to put your money where you mouth is on starting a music company since you have it all figured out and you told me you have bigger fish to fry. Maybe you should give Keen a break because he might have bigger fish to fry.

     

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    bobert, Oct 31st, 2008 @ 9:58am

    You would think one would turn to gardening more so in an economic downturn.. victory garden anyone?

     

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    mobiGeek, Oct 31st, 2008 @ 10:14am

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    I'm going to argue that there is a somewhat different amount of focus necessary to start a business than to casually contribute to an open source project.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 31st, 2008 @ 10:50am

    Re: Andrew Keen is a tool

    A garden tool, even.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 31st, 2008 @ 11:21am

    Re: And Blog commenting too!

    Me either... that'll be $5.00...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Oct 31st, 2008 @ 12:03pm

    I still fix people's computers for free.

     

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    jonnyq, Oct 31st, 2008 @ 12:28pm

    Re: Re: Re: I guess that he missed...

    Which is obvious when you read the post, but not in mah iGoogle RSS =)

     

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    jonnyq, Oct 31st, 2008 @ 12:34pm

    Re: Re: Re: Re: I guess that he missed...

    While I'm writing useless comments...

    On lunch, I discussed with my work buddy (sparked by the post) how lucrative a web site can be if you just just blog troll. You may a blog making the most absurd claims possible (with a little lent credibility) and get other, more reasonable people to link to your blog and bash you. After all, controversy gets more attention.

    With that in mind, it's hard for me to tell when an idiot blogger is a troll or not. I mean, some of these idiot bloggers work for respectable web sites (Dvorak for example), but they MUST be trolling for attention based on their posts. I went to Keen's web site and read the comments. Every single one I saw was noting how big an idiot he was. No rebuttal from him, and he obviously didn't delete the unfavorable comments. Smells like a troll to me. He knows he's getting the attention with those absurd viewpoints.

    Now that's a business I need into.

     

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    jonnyq, Oct 31st, 2008 @ 1:52pm

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    There's the type of comment that leaves you dumber and hungry for fish.

     

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    Frank, Nov 1st, 2008 @ 12:50am

    update

    The recent interesting report saying how the "low-income" customers are buying up the iphone would seem to prove mr keen wrong also. People rarely respond to need with work anymore they just get a credit card.

     

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    Jake, Nov 1st, 2008 @ 7:38am

    It's arguable that a lot of people will be devoting time normally occupied by leisure pursuits to things like attending interviews, filling out forms etc. However, I can personally testify that in the current economic climate, finding and applying for every single job you are qualified to do within reasonable commuting distance will still leave you with a lot of spare time.

     

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    nasch, Nov 3rd, 2008 @ 8:52am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I guess that he missed...

    Dvorak as much as admitted he's a troll. He said something to the effect that he can say something inflammatory about Apple and all the Apple fans come rushing to his web site to post rebuttals (and maybe view ads), and then a couple of weeks later he can post something good about Apple to spark positive comments from Apple supporters and bashing from Apple haters. Or something to that effect, there's a video of it somewhere. It was an impromptu comment to someone at CES or some show like that.

     

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