Washington DC's Primary E-Votes Still Not Adding Up Properly

from the it's-not-like-we've-got-computers-that-can-count dept

You know, the one thing that computers are supposed to be good at is counting things accurately. So why is it so hard to do so when it comes to counting votes? We recently wrote about the case in Washington DC's primaries where election officials were struggling to figure out the source of an awful lot of votes for a non-existent write-in candidate. Sequoia, the makers of the e-voting machines in question, were quick to deny any and all responsibility with the hilariously "thou dost protest too much" statement: "There's absolutely no problem with the machines in the polling places. No. No."

Either way, it appears that officials in DC still can't properly add up the votes properly, and are noting that 13 separate races all show the exact same number of overvotes: 1,542, though no one can explain why. Sequoia continues to stand by its original statement that the problem must be one of human error -- though it fails to explain how simple human error would create 1,542 extra votes in 13 entirely separate races -- and why it didn't design a system that would prevent the ability for "human error" to create such votes.

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  • identicon
    It Is Obvious, 23 Sep 2008 @ 4:43pm

    Yes, that is true

    "Sequoia continues to stand by its original statement that the problem must be one of human error"

    Yes, that is absolutely true.
    The error was caused when a human placed the order for the Sequoia products. No doubt about it.

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    • identicon
      DS, 24 Sep 2008 @ 6:30am

      Re: Yes, that is true

      Well, truly, the error started way before someone placed the order. The error was when a bunch of idiots in Florida could A: Follow an arrow, and B: Do not understand how to count to one (as in, punch only ONE candidate). Two issues that I do not recall mechanical lever machines ever having.

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    Dosquatch, 23 Sep 2008 @ 4:58pm

    Their fault or not

    With all of the black eyes the eVoting manufacturers have been receiving with regard to machine security, it would be a very savvy move if they were to respond by tripping all over themselves offering to analyze the results up, down, and sideways until the extra votes were explained.

    Whether it is their fault or not. Maybe even especially if it's not. Fostering good will just CAN'T be a bad idea at this point.

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  • identicon
    Fixed News, 23 Sep 2008 @ 5:11pm

    If it was televised...

    "This election coverage is sponsored in part by Sequoia, Merrill Lynch, Citigroup, and Goldman Sachs.

    Closed Captioning provided by "JPMorgan Chase & Co, AT&T and Blank Rome LLP."

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    • identicon
      Dosquatch, 24 Sep 2008 @ 6:29am

      Re: If it was televised...

      This administration brought to you by BigOil [tm]. BigOil, "Greasing the palms that matter" (R). Also contributing is FarQueue [tm]. When it feels like the only things set free are the rules defining liberty, FarQueue.

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  • identicon
    Lucretious, 23 Sep 2008 @ 5:16pm

    Like most of my questions and statements on TD, this is stupidly simplistic:

    How hard is it to count simple button presses using an advanced piece of computing electronics?

    I don't get it.

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  • identicon
    Overcast, 23 Sep 2008 @ 5:55pm

    Yes, that is absolutely true.
    The error was caused when a human placed the order for the Sequoia products. No doubt about it.


    hehe, too true :)

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  • identicon
    inc, 23 Sep 2008 @ 6:00pm

    why can't we use accounting software. i mean when I owe the bank money they always seem to keep track of that. Maybe if each vote counts as a dollar we can just add up the money at the end and who ever has the most wins.. kinda of the way it actually is anyway.

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  • identicon
    bob, 23 Sep 2008 @ 6:48pm

    Puple Thumb

    Come this election day I want a paper ballot and a purple thumb.

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  • identicon
    assembly, 23 Sep 2008 @ 8:32pm

    I'll write you a program

    I could sell this for millions, but instead I'll post it here. A C++ program to do this complicated task:


    if (input == "John McCain")
    JohnMcCain++;
    else if (input == "Barack Obama")
    BarackObama++;
    else
    {
    writeIn = input;
    cout "you are a hanging chad";
    }

    // yeah I know cout isn't right, formatting didn't like the brackets

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  • identicon
    David Lagesse, 23 Sep 2008 @ 10:15pm

    The Dead Shall Rise Again!

    What is so unusual about getting the "Living Impaired" folks to Register and Vote!
    Chicago's Democratic Politicians been doing that trick for years!
    Vote early, vote OFTEN!

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  • identicon
    NeoConBushSupporter, 24 Sep 2008 @ 5:41am

    Who cares

    Its DC, its not like they really count anyway.


    VOTE McCain 2008 - 'cause hes just crazy enough to do it.

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  • identicon
    Ferdinand, 24 Sep 2008 @ 9:13am

    1542 decimal is 0606 hexadecimal. That's a bit mask. Oops.

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    • identicon
      Dosquatch, 24 Sep 2008 @ 10:43am

      Re:

      1542 decimal is 0606 hexadecimal. That's a bit mask. Oops.

      "... and here is where we ran the calculation in radians, programmed the result as degrees, and lawn-darted our billion dollar rover on Mars."

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  • identicon
    Rob, 24 Sep 2008 @ 10:46am

    Human Error ...

    Perhaps the human error was selecting Sequoia as the vendor.

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  • identicon
    Vanessa, 27 Oct 2008 @ 2:41pm

    Sequoia

    Geez, how can they defend their machines and how would anyone even believe their defense after how they've already been written about? Well, maybe it hasn't been in the MSM.

    To comply with a federal court order, Nassau County purchases ballot-marking devices from Sequoia Voting Systems. Of the first 240 devices delivered, 85% are too defective to be usable, placing the county in jeopardy of violating the court order.-- VotersUnite
    http://www.issuelab.org/research/vendors_are_undermining_the_structure_of_us_elections

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