Legal Issues

by Mike Masnick




Companies Sue Swedish Government For Collateral Damage In Pirate Bay Raid

from the look-before-you-rip-out-the-server dept

When the recording industry convinced the Swedish police to take down the Pirate Bay search engine (for all of two days until they could find other accommodations that could then handle their massive upswing in traffic due to the publicity), they apparently did so in their typical haphazard fashion with plenty of collateral damage. This time, instead of accidentally suing dead people or those with no computers, the recording industry convinced the police that the Pirate Bay was a big enough threat that not only should its own servers to ripped out of the data center, but plenty of other servers nearby as well. That, for obvious reasons, isn't going over well with those whose servers were taken -- and, as pointed out by the folks at Digg, means that the impacted firms are asking the government for compensation for knocking them all offline for no good reason.

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    wulfman (profile), 14 Jun 2006 @ 11:26pm

    They will NEVER LEARN !

    ( 1st post ! )

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    Nicholas G, 14 Jun 2006 @ 11:46pm

    Go Figure...

    I mean it's not like what the police were commiting "questionable" acts... they only blacked out the surveilance camera half way through stealing servers not covered under the "questionably leagal" search and seizure warrant.


    /sarcasm off

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    Jesus., 15 Jun 2006 @ 2:02am

    k.

    Why should the swedish government be held responsible? isnt it the recroding industry at fault? why not go after them? and hey lets also sue the employees for things they did not comit.

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      knome, 15 Jun 2006 @ 4:27am

      Re: k.

      " Why should the swedish government be held
      " responsible? isnt it the recroding industry at
      " fault? why not go after them? and hey lets also
      " sue the employees for things they did not comit.

      The police are managed by the government. They are a representitive thereof. Public offices and all of that. If I convinced the police to beat the shit out of you, the government is responsible because it has liability for the actions of its public officials and their employees, including the police. While there may be laws in place whereever you are about convincing people to beat the shit out of each other, the police are still the ones that did it, and as representitives of the government, you were pretty much beaten down by your own elected officials.

      The RIAA convinced the police to nab a bunch of unrelated servers while serving a legitamate warrant for a specific set of servers. The RIAA may have convinced them, but it was still the police that decided to be a collective asshat and just grab everything.

      However, the average officer being nontechnical of course, this was was probably the proper move. The police are not techs and cannot tell which servers are doing what just by looking at them. They cannot ask the people whom they have a warrant against which are the servers they are here to confiscate, because those accused of criminal action, if guilty, are likely to lie about which servers contain the evidence and then delete the genuine server once the police left with the wrong one. So they have to grab them all.

      BTW, not saying the pirate bay fellows were guilty of anything, just that the police cannot trust them because they are there serving warrant against them.

      All this hype and faux hysteria ( or at least misguided hysteria ) is good advertising for the bay though.

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        teKuru, 15 Jun 2006 @ 4:37am

        Re: Re: k.

        However, the average officer being nontechnical of course, this was was probably the proper move. The police are not techs and cannot tell which servers are doing what just by looking at them. They cannot ask the people whom they have a warrant against which are the servers they are here to confiscate, because those accused of criminal action, if guilty, are likely to lie about which servers contain the evidence and then delete the genuine server once the police left with the wrong one. So they have to grab them all.

        Any ISP who doesn't know what servers are in what row of what rack probably wouldn't be capable of handling the traffic TPB produced. Most data centers I've seen are completely accounted for, with the ability to identify servers at a glance. Anything else would be a bitch to manage. Yes, they cannot trust the people whos servers they are taking, but they are dealing with the ISP. Was the TPB staff even present at the data center when the servers were confiscated?

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          whargoul, 15 Jun 2006 @ 6:41am

          Re: Re: Re: k. (teKuru)

          Yes, they cannot trust the people whos servers they are taking, but they are dealing with the ISP. Was the TPB staff even present at the data center when the servers were confiscated?

          I believe the people that own TPB also own the ISP, so yes, the TPB staff was probably present when the servers were confiscated.

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        Sean, 15 Jun 2006 @ 6:42am

        Re: Re: k.

        "However, the average officer being nontechnical of course, this was was probably the proper move. The police are not techs and cannot tell which servers are doing what just by looking at them. They cannot ask the people whom they have a warrant against which are the servers they are here to confiscate, because those accused of criminal action"

        They should have used discretion. If the police can't figure out which house on my block is selling crack, they wouldn't go and arrest everyone living in that neighborhood. That's discretion.

        If they aren't tech heads, then they should have brought someone with them who is.

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        Anonymous Coward, 15 Jun 2006 @ 9:52am

        Re: Re: k.

        In published interviews the owners have said that the servers were all clearly marked so that there could have been no "mistaking" which were which. Apparently the police purposely caused as much collateral damage as possible in order to punish the data center operators and their customers. Kind of the way some some military operations purposely cause "collateral damage" to civilian villagers they suspect of collaborating with enemies.

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      jandel1313, 15 Jun 2006 @ 6:59am

      Re: k.

      Why should the Swedish government be held responsible? isnt it the recroding industry at fault? why not go after them?

      We should hold The Swedish government responsible for bowing down to an organization that is not any form of a government. If at anytime the government of any country begins to place money and global business interest, before the rights and interest of its people. Then the people should reclaim that government. Here are some quotes from Thomas Jefferson that back up my point. Yes, I am aware he is an American Founder but in today’s global conglomeration of people, his words ring true for all people.

      "The public mind, [oppressed by despotism,] is manifestly advancing on the abusive prerogatives of their governors and bearing them down. No force in the government can withstand this in the long run." --Thomas Jefferson to Comte de Moustier, 1788.

      "The public mind is manifestly advancing on the abusive prerogatives of their governors and bearing them down. No force in the government can withstand this in the long run. Courtiers had rather give up power than pleasures; they will barter, therefore, the usurped prerogatives of the King for the money of the people. This is the agent by which modern nations will recover their rights." --Thomas Jefferson to the Count de Moustier, 1788. ME 7:14

      "As revolutionary instruments (when nothing but revolution will cure the evils of the State) [secret societies] are necessary and indispensable, and the right to use them is inalienable by the people." --Thomas Jefferson to William Duane, 1803. FE 8:256

      "When patience has begotten false estimates of its motives, when wrongs are pressed because it is believed they will be borne, resistance becomes morality." --Thomas Jefferson to M. deStael, 1807. ME 11:282



      Now I will address the second half of your statement.
      isnt it the recroding industry at fault?
      Yes, not only should the government be sued for it actions but the RIAA, and every music label it represents. Those companies taken offline should sue them for damages. The people of every nation for organized crime, extortion, and racketeering should sue them all. It occurs to me that the only reason to create a group or union is to represent a group that does not want to be directly held accountable for the actions of that group. Why would competing companies willing join forces? It appears to prevent negative damage from the actions of a group using mafia style techniques to squeeze a new business model of pay per use. The RIAA and every label that is a member do not want you to own any music. They will only want you to rent the tracks. This issue goes back to the creation of the CD and the use license that Phillips required agreement to in order to use, distribute, and record with CD’s. This stated that the purchase of a cd was a use license for the data and not the disc. Originally, it was to protect Phillips from loss data if the disc becomes damaged. It opened the door to the ability to back up any data you purchased. This would mean that if you purchased a music cd and it becomes corrupted you could legally download the corrupted tracks backed up online. This is why the music industry turned to extortion. Instead of buying the same thing, multiple times you could buy it once. Seeing that using force a sale could be made every time a track is played the business model shifted from descent music worth buying to what can we force down the listing groups throats.



      So if anyone would like to pursue a global class action lawsuit; here is a list of companies and artist that are the RIAA:



      112 - Bad Boy
      112 Records
      12 Girls
      1500 Records
      19 Records
      20TH CENTURY FOX
      2-4-1 Records
      2PAC Int Unrel Mast
      333 Music
      3H
      40 Records
      456 Enterprises
      4th & Broadway
      5 Minute Walk Music
      5.1 Entertainment
      510 Records
      550 Music
      550/FOX
      57 Records
      7Spin Music
      911 Ent/ Red Ant
      A&M Dreamworks
      A&M Hip-O Compilations
      A&M Jazz
      A&M Premium
      A&M Rap
      A&M Records
      A&M Super Budget
      A&M Urban
      A440 Records
      Abacus Records
      Abkco
      Absolutely Kosher
      Acony Records
      AD Records
      Aeria Entertainment
      Aezra Records
      AFRT Music
      Aftermath
      Aftermath/Ruff Ryders
      Aftermath/Shady
      AJ Records
      Alfanno
      Alice Radio
      All Saints
      All Star
      Alligator Records
      Almo Sounds
      AM60
      Amaru
      Amaru II
      Amaru Records
      American Gramaphone
      American Recordings
      Americana Music Association
      AMI Music, Inc.
      Amiata Records
      Among Friends Records, Inc.
      And 1
      Andy Prieboy
      Angel
      Angel Special Imports
      Angel Wars
      Angeles Records
      Angels
      Anime 18
      Annabelle's Wish (Ralph Edwards Prod.)
      Antilles
      Antra Records
      Apostrophe Records
      Ardent Records
      Aries Records
      Arista
      Arista-Profile
      Ark 21
      Ark/Bungalo
      Arsenal
      Artanis
      Arte Nova
      Artemis Sheridan Sq. – Canada
      Artisan
      Artistry
      Arts Magic
      Asian Pulp Cinema
      Astoria Entertainment
      Astralwerks - Capitol
      Astralwerks - Commercial Mktg
      Astralwerks - Virgin
      Astralwerks - Virgin
      ASW Catalog
      Asylum Records
      Asylum//Arroyo
      Atlantic
      Atlantic Catalog Group
      Atlantic Classics Crossover
      Atlantic Nashville
      Atlantic P&D
      ATO Records
      ATO/Galvanic
      Audioslave Sony
      Ava Records
      Avatar Music
      Avenue Records
      AVI
      Aware
      Aware JV-Two Tier
      Axiom
      B.E.C.
      Bacatranes
      Back Porch
      Back Porch - Catalog
      Bad Boy Entertainment, Inc
      Bad Boy Records
      BAJADA/LIGHTYEAR
      Ballers Entertainment
      Ballers Entertainment Catalog
      Barak Entertainment
      Barb Wire Productions
      Barnes Williams DVD
      Basement Records
      Bass Productions
      Battery
      B-Dub
      Be Beautiful
      Beat Club
      Beatles
      Beatmart
      Beauty Records
      Beggars Banquet
      Beginner's Bible
      Beiler Bros. Records
      Belart
      Belly Soundtrack
      Benson
      Benz-Street Music
      Berman Brothers
      Bernie Williams
      Best Side
      Best Side Catalog
      Beyond Music
      BHT Entertainment
      Bibleman
      Big 3 Entertainment
      Big Baller
      Big Cat/ Work
      Big Dog Music
      Big Game Ventures
      BIG IDEA POST MAR/2004
      Big Idea Productions
      Big Intertainment Grp 2Ksounds
      Big Machine
      Big World
      Bigtyme Records
      Billy Corgan
      Billy Crystal Project
      Biv 10 Records
      Black Out
      Blackground Catalog
      Blackground Records
      Blackheart
      Blind Pig Records
      Bliss Productions
      Blix Street
      Blood And Fire
      Blood Brothers Catalog
      Blood Rush Records
      Bloodline Records
      Bloodshot
      Blue Gorilla
      Blue Note
      Blue Plate
      Blue Thumb (GRP)
      Blue Thumb (Verve)
      Blue Underground
      Bluebird
      BMG Classics
      BMG Classics Video
      BMG Heritage
      BMG Video (Discovery/Reebok)
      BMG/Provident
      BNA Records
      BNB
      Bob Marley Music
      Bocelli-Sogno
      Body Head Entertainment, Inc.
      Bohemia
      Bon Jovi Catalog
      Bon Jovi Catalog Video
      Bon Jovi Development
      Boss Entertainment
      Box Tunes
      Branford Marsalis
      Break 'Em Off Records
      Breakaway
      Brentwood Music
      B-Rite
      Broadway MCA
      Brody Records – Jr. Label
      Broken Bow Records
      Broken Records
      Brushfire Records, Inc.
      Brutal Records
      Buddha
      Build Worldwide
      Bullseye
      Bungalo Records
      Burn.Heart/ Epitaph
      Burning Brides
      BYO Records
      Byrd Records
      C2
      Cadena Records
      Cadence Christian
      Cake Records
      Calliope
      Caltex Records
      Camino Records
      Candle in the Wind
      Cannan
      Cap Nash Commercial Marketing
      Capitol
      Capitol Catalog
      Capitol Commercial Marketing
      Capitol Nashville
      Capricorn
      Cargo
      Carnegie Kings
      Casablanca Records
      Cash Money Records
      Catalog - CMG
      Catalyst
      CAV
      Caviant
      CED Entertainment
      Celtic Heartbeat
      Central Park Media
      CGF Records Inc
      Chamillionaire
      Charisma Catalog
      Charles Street LLC
      Cheeba Sounds
      Cheeba Sounds Catalog
      Cherry Entertainment
      Chignon Records
      Children
      Childrens Division
      Chordant Distr 3rd Party
      Christy Lane
      Chronicles Compilations
      Chronicles Reissues
      Chronicles/PSM
      Chrysalis
      Chuck Life
      Cintas Acuario
      Cirque Du Soleil
      City of Hope
      CJ Latin
      CKY
      Classics
      Classics Commercial Marketing
      Classics for Pleasure
      Clatown Records
      Clean Slate
      Clear Channel
      C-Loc Records
      Clockwork
      CM Angel
      CM Apple
      CM Beatles
      CM Blue Note
      CM Budget Capitol
      CM Budget Capitol Nashville
      CM Budget Chordant Music Group
      CM Budget Chrysalis
      CM Budget Chrysalis
      CM Budget Classics
      CM Budget Curb
      CM Budget EMI
      CM Budget EMI Latin
      CM Budget Jazz
      CM Budget King Biscuit Ent
      CM Budget Narada Catalog
      CM Budget TRS
      CM Budget Virgin Catalog
      CM Cap Nash Incremental
      CM Cap Nash UA
      CM Capitol
      CM Capitol Nahsville
      CM Charisma
      CM Chrysalis
      CM Compilations
      CM EMI
      CM EMI Classics
      CM EMI UA
      CM Garth Brooks
      CM Java
      CM Noo Trybe
      CM Orpheus
      CM Pendulum
      CM Pointblank
      CM Rap-A-Lot Distributed
      CM SBK
      CM Seraphim
      CM Tribal
      CM TRS
      CM TRS - Buddah Catalog
      CM TRS - Jaggo Records
      CM Vernon Yard
      CM Virgin
      CMC International
      CMF/Lost Highway
      CMG
      CMG Marketing Titles One
      CMM Ruff Ryders
      Coda Records
      Cold Sweat
      Colli Park Music
      Colton PDA
      Columbia
      Columbia/ Broadway Masterworks
      Columbus Records
      Coming Home
      Command
      Common/ Kanye West
      Commotion
      Compass
      Compilations
      Concord Records, Inc.
      Conifer
      Contraband
      Convenant
      Cool Springs Music
      Coolhunter Records
      Coolsville Productions
      Copacabana Records
      Copperfield
      Corporate Thugz Entertainment
      Costa Rola
      Country Music Foundation/Lost Highway
      Covenant Artists
      CPM Manga
      Crammed Disc
      Crash Cinema
      Crazy Cat
      Creative Trust Wkshp/Provident
      Creative Trust Workshop
      Credential
      Crescent Moon/Columbia
      Crescent Moon/Epic
      Crime Partners
      Cross Movement Records
      CROWNE
      Crystal Lewis
      CSC Entertainment
      CTW/ Sesame Street
      Cult Epics
      Curb
      Curb/Lost Highway
      Curb/Rising Tide
      Curb/Universal
      Curb-Wynonna
      Curious George
      Custm/Premium
      Custm/Premium - Special Mkts
      Cypress
      Daddy Yankee
      Dagger Records
      Damian Music
      Damon Dash Music Group
      Dancing Cat
      Darkchild
      DAS
      Dascolmel, LLC
      Dascolvibe, LLC
      Dash Records
      Dashboard Confessional
      DaySpring
      DAYWIND
      Daywind Music Group
      DC Flag/Red Ink/Epic
      DCC Compact Classics
      Death Row
      Death Row Extd Catalog
      Death Row Extended
      Death Row Frontline
      Death Row Frontline Catalog
      Death Row Gang Rela Catalog
      Death Row Records
      Death Row The Chroni Catalog
      Death Row/Amaru
      Debris Records
      Decca
      Decca UK
      Decca US
      Decon
      Def Jam
      Def Jam Video
      Def Jam West
      Def Jam/RAL Tracs
      Def Soul
      Def Soul Classics
      Def Soul Video
      Deff Trapp
      Delicious Vinyl
      Delos
      Dembow Music
      Denon
      Derrty Entertainment
      Desert Mountain Media
      Desert Storm
      Dexterity - Bishop TD Jakes
      DGG
      DGG Video
      DHM
      Diamond Productions
      Diplomatic Man
      Disa
      Discipline Global MB
      Discotech Media
      Dispatch
      Disques Vogue
      Disturbing Tha Peace Recording, Inc
      Divine Industries
      DKC
      DM Music
      DMC
      DMY
      DMZ
      Doggystyle Records
      Doghouse
      Don Omar
      Donavon Frankenreitr
      Double Dragon
      Doxology Records
      Doyle/KOS Entertainment
      Dr Dream
      Dramatico Entertainment Ltd.
      Dream Street
      Dreamworks - Sharktales
      Dreamworks - Shrek II
      Dreamworks (1)
      Dreamworks (2)
      Dreamworks Geffen
      Dreamworks Nashville
      Dreamworks Pop New
      Dreamworks Tracs
      Dreamworks Urban Music
      Drive
      Drive Thru
      DTP Recording, Inc.
      Dualstar/(Olsen Twins)
      Dualtone
      Duck Down Music
      DV-8 Records
      DVD International
      E Pluribus Unum (1)
      E Pluribus Unum (2)
      E2 Music
      Eagle Eye Media
      Eagle Records
      Eagle Rock
      Eaglevision
      East Side Digital
      Easydisc
      ECM
      Eddie Soundtrack
      Edimal Distribution
      Edimal Music Corp
      Edito Classica
      Edmonds Record Group
      El Cartel
      Elektra
      Elektra Catalog Group
      Element Records
      Elementree Records
      Ellipsis Arts
      Elton John
      Elvis Tribute Project
      EMD Now Joint Venture Projects
      Emergent Music Marketing
      EMI Classics
      EMI Gospel Label 3rd Party
      EMI Gospel Music
      EMI Latin
      EMI Records
      Eminent
      Emperor Norton
      Empire Records
      Emusica
      Enjoy First Look
      Enjoy Records
      Eno
      Epic
      Epic Soundtrax
      Epic Street
      Epic/ Giant Step
      Epic/ No Name
      Epidrome
      Epitaph Records
      Equal Vision
      Equal Vision/Columbia
      Equinox Music
      Erato
      Essence Records
      Essential Classics
      Eureka
      Eurodisc
      Everland
      Everwhere Music
      Evolution Music
      Facility
      Family Guy Soundtrack
      Fantasy Records
      Fantoma
      Farmclub/IDJ
      Farmclub/Interscope
      Farmclub/Universal
      Fast Horse
      Fat Beats
      Fat Boy Music
      Fat Wreck Chords
      Favored Nations
      FDM Records
      Ferret Music
      Ferret/Columbia
      Fervent Records
      Fiddler Records
      Fight Klub
      Finlandia
      First Night Records
      Flagship Recordings
      Flat Town Music Company
      Flavor Unit Entertainment
      Flawless
      Flicker Records
      Flip Records
      Floodgate Records
      Flora
      FlowMusic
      Flying Fish
      Flyte Time Records
      Fonanata Island Merc
      Fonosound
      Fonovisa
      Fonovisa Inc.
      Fontana A&M
      Fontana Def Jam
      Fontana Geffen
      Fontana A&M Hip-O
      Fontana Interscope
      Fontana Island Rec
      Fontana London U.S.
      Fontana MCA
      Fontana MCA/ Nasheville
      Fontana MCA/ Nashville
      Fontana Motown
      Fontana Mt Hip-O
      Fontana Poly. Atlas
      Fontana Uni Records
      ForeFront
      Forefront Label Forefront Label 3rd Party
      Forster Brothers Entertainment
      Four Winds
      Foxy Brown - Bad Boy
      Friday Records
      From Rags to Riches
      From the bottom, Inc.
      Fubu
      Fugitive Records
      Furious Records
      G Love and Special Sauce
      Gangland Record Corp
      Gangsta Advisory
      Garden City
      Garmex
      Garmex Records
      Garth Brooks
      Gasoline Alley
      Gazillion Records
      Gee Street
      Geffen
      Geffen (Tracs)
      Geffen Catalog Transfer
      Geffen Catalog Transfer (Fontana)
      Geffen Goldline
      Genie Ent./Lightyear
      Getting Out Our Dreams(Urban)
      Gfunk
      GG&L Music
      Ghetto Youth Intl
      Ghostlight
      Giant Records
      Giant-Step Records
      Gili Music
      Glassnote
      GMA Music
      GMP Records
      Gold Circle
      Gold Seal
      Gold Star
      Golden Books
      Gomer Records
      Good Time Jazz
      Goodfellas Entertainment
      Goodnews
      Gospel
      Gospo Centric
      Gotee Records
      GR Entertainment
      Graham Colton
      Grammy Nominees Proj
      Grand Royal
      Grand Royal Catalog
      Grandstand
      Granite
      Grateful Dead Production
      Grateful Dead Records
      Great Performances
      Green Linnet
      Greenhornes
      Greenhorse Records, Inc.
      Grindhouse
      Groovin' Records
      Groovpix
      Ground Zero
      Group - Argentina
      Group - Brazil
      Group - Centre
      Group - Chile
      Group - Mexico
      Group - Other
      Group - Spain
      Group - USA
      Group - Venezuela
      GRP
      GRP (Verve)
      GTS
      GTS Video
      Guardian Studios
      Guitian
      G-Unit Records
      Gunz Music, Inc
      Guts & Grace
      Halfnote
      Hall of Fame
      Hammer & Lace
      Hannibal
      Harmony
      Harmony Records
      HBO/WEA
      HE IS FAITHFUL FILMS
      Heartbeat
      Heartcry
      Here to Him
      Heretic
      Hidden Beach
      Hieroglyphics
      High Performance
      High Street
      High Wire Music
      Higher Octave Music
      Higher Octave Music Catalog
      Higher Octave Music Returns
      Hightone Records
      Hillsboro Jazz
      HIP-O
      Hip-O Island
      Hip-O Mercury Nashville
      Hip-O Motown
      Hip-O Records
      Hip-O Select (AM)
      Hip-O Select (MC)
      Hip-O Select (MT)
      Hip-O Select (PG)
      Hip-O Uni Roy
      Hip-O Universal TV
      HKD Productions
      Hola Records
      Hollywood Records
      Hollywood Visa
      Holy Hip Hop
      Home Sweet Home
      Home Video
      Homeland
      House of Hits
      H-Town Records
      Hush
      Hush/ Plg
      Hybrid/Metropolitan
      I Am
      I.E. Music
      Ice Records
      Icewater
      IG Records Inc
      Imaginary Road
      Immediate
      Immortal Records
      Immortal Records Catalog
      Immortal/Columbia
      Immortal/Epic
      Import Music
      Impulse (GRP)
      Impulse (Verve)
      In De Goot, LLC
      In The Loop Records
      Ind 4th & B 'Way
      Ind Antilles
      Ind Smash
      Infinity Digital
      Inner Knot
      Innocent
      INO (previously M2.0 Productions)
      InPop Records
      Insane Clown Posse
      Insider Trading Corporation
      Integrity Media, Inc
      Integrity, Inc
      Integrity/Winans
      Interhit Records
      International Special Mkts
      Interscope
      Interscope - A&M
      Interscope (Tracs)
      Interscope Wea
      Interscope/Island
      Irock Entertainment
      IRS Catalog
      IRS Catalog Marketing
      Island Def Jam
      Island Hip-O Compilations
      Island Independent
      Island Jamaica
      Island Mercury
      Island Mercury Video
      Island Music Video
      Island Poly
      Island Poly Video
      Island Records
      Island Super Budget
      Island Vinyl
      J Records
      J&N
      J&N Media
      Jack Johnson
      Jackie Greene/DIG Split
      Jade Records
      Jaleo Records
      Java Records
      Jazz & Classics
      Jazz Alliance International
      Jazz Alliance Intl
      Jazz Commercial Marketing
      Jazz-Non US
      JB Records
      Jcor
      Jersey Records
      Jetset
      Jimmy Franks Rec Co
      Jin Records
      Jireh
      Jive Records
      Joanna Levesque
      Journey Music
      Kalimba Records
      Karen
      Karma Guard
      Karuna
      Kathie Hill Music
      Kedar Entertainment, Inc.
      Kemado
      KGB Records
      Kicking Mule
      Kid Rhino Misc.
      Kinetic Records
      King Communications
      Kiss Video
      KKSF
      KOAI
      Kom-a-Day Records
      Konvict Muzik
      KORN the Artists
      Krasnow
      Krystal/The Firm
      Kung Fu Records
      KWJZ
      La Calle Records
      La Face
      Lakeshore Records
      Larrinaga Records
      Last Gang
      Latin Catalog
      Latin Pop/Tropical
      Latin Regional Mexican
      Latin Special Markets
      Latin World
      Latino Budget Prod PR
      Latino Budget Prod UC
      Laugh.com
      Left Eye
      Legacy/ Columbia
      Legacy/ Epic
      Liars Inc(Foodchain)
      Libertad
      Lideres
      Lideres2
      Life Records
      Lightstorm
      Lightyear/Zebra
      Lil Man
      Liquird 8 Records
      Little Dog Records
      Living Music
      Living Stereo
      Liz Phair
      LL Cool J. Inc
      LMC Record
      Locomotive Music
      Logic Records
      London Poly TV
      London Red Ant
      London Slash
      London U.S.
      London Video
      Longevity Records (NYC) Inc.
      Lookout
      Loose Cannon
      Loosegroove
      Loretta Lynn Van Lear Rose
      Los Cangri
      Lost Highway
      Loud
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    Anonymous Coward, 15 Jun 2006 @ 2:07am

    This is completely ludicrous. I hope, if it is indeed possible, that the Swedish government is bankrupted beyond repair due to this travesty of civil liberties and falls into anarchy. If these people are truly this ignorant, they deserve a home-hitting version of the French Revolution complete with public beheadings.

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    homer, 15 Jun 2006 @ 3:23am

    and i quote

    mmm, powdered blow holes

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    Quite Likely, 15 Jun 2006 @ 4:19am

    The Swedish Government Bankrupt

    I can totally see it happening. The Swedish government will go bankrupt from lawsuits by companies suing over lost website traffic on the several servers removed.

    The government only has like 12 employees right? Tiny little country they serve. Those guys will go down!

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      Starky the swede, 15 Jun 2006 @ 9:23am

      Re: The Swedish Government Bankrupt

      Tiny little country? Sweden is quite large, mind you. Sure, it's not as big as the U.S. or China, but it's not like it's the Principality of Sealand or anything.

      I would personally hate to see the government go bankrupt, and think that all the companies should sue the record companies and make THEM pay up. This is their fault, after all.

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    Sparky, 15 Jun 2006 @ 4:49am

    Re: Re: k

    "All this hype and faux hysteria ( or at least misguided hysteria ) is good advertising for the bay though." Apparently the amount of traffic to PB tripled after this incident. One of the news sites suggested (jokingly) that this may have been a "Reverse Psychology DDoS Attack". Joking aside, with the 404 errors and similar errors, can PB handle the extra traffic? Now if they use something like Freenet to host their site, it'll be like the chain of events that lead to the development of Distributed Databases all over again :) Technology evolves.

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    Zach, 15 Jun 2006 @ 7:03am

    Did anyone ever stop to think that what Pirate Bay is doing is promoting software and music theft? Everyone whines and whines about civil liberties and rights but the simple fact is Pirate Bay is exploiting Swiss law to operate as a piracy hub. They even have Pirate in the name. Someone please explain to me why you are entitled to steal someone elses property?

    I don't support the government just raiding peoples businesses etc. but this is a pretty clear cut case.

    So for all you whiners who think you deserve free music and software I will be over later to clean our your living room because I feel entitled to your TV and DVD player.

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      haywood, 15 Jun 2006 @ 7:22am

      Re:

      "So for all you whiners who think you deserve free music and software I will be over later to clean our your living room because I feel entitled to your TV and DVD player."

      So long as you only make copies and mine are still intact, have at it

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      Greg, 15 Jun 2006 @ 7:28am

      Re:

      Did anyone ever stop to think that what Pirate Bay is doing is promoting software and music theft? Everyone whines and whines about civil liberties and rights but the simple fact is Pirate Bay is exploiting Swiss law to operate as a piracy hub. They even have Pirate in the name. Someone please explain to me why you are entitled to steal someone elses property? No one's arguing that point, genius. The point is the other, non-thePirateBay.org servers that were confiscated for no good reason, because the police were grabbing shit indiscriminantly.

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        Sean, 15 Jun 2006 @ 9:43am

        Re: Re:

        " Did anyone ever stop to think that what Pirate Bay is doing is promoting software and music theft? Everyone whines and whines about civil liberties and rights but the simple fact is Pirate Bay is exploiting Swiss law"

        The whole point behind this post just went right over your head.

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      bt garner, 15 Jun 2006 @ 8:51am

      Re:

      If they are exploiting Swiss law, then it is a good thing thing that they are located in Sweden.

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      Anonymous Coward, 15 Jun 2006 @ 10:19am

      Re:

      Did anyone ever stop to think that what Pirate Bay is doing is promoting software and music theft?
      Did anyone ever stop to think that the earth is flat? The answer is yes, as ridiculous as it seems, some people have been known to think that.

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    Anonymous Coward, 15 Jun 2006 @ 7:28am

    jandel1313 on Jun 15th, 2006 @ 6:59am wrote:

    Way too much.

    Hey Jandel, get some sleep, a (better) job, a richer life.

    Other than possibly being the longest techdirt post ever, your pretentious reply offered no thoughts or facts worthy of the length. Sheesh

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    Chris G, 15 Jun 2006 @ 7:35am

    The RIAA is a rogue organization created by companies who are afraid of change. They are losing money due to the changing times. As a dying breed they are fighting to prevent their own extinction. Pure and simple. Governments either don't care what the RIAA does or are getting kickbacks from what is happening in some fashion. For the same reason that the Oil Companies are allowed to gouge gas prices for no reason, making false claims for gas prices. The government can't gouge tax prices on every single tax paying American so they allow the oil companies to do it for them. What is better? Gouge taxes, or allow a companie to gouge prices whos product every single tax paying and lots of NON tax paying Americans including immigrants and teenagers MUST use and use EVERY single day religiously. It doesn't take a lot of thought to figure this out.

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    Anonymous Asian, 15 Jun 2006 @ 7:53am

    Swedish

    Ummmm... Swedish Fish. can i buy some fish from the swedish Govt.

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    WirelessGuy, 15 Jun 2006 @ 9:11am

    I agree with Zach on this one

    Ok people, when the police serve warrants, they execute them. If the warrant says grab servers, they grab servers, period. Why all of the outrage over people promoting methods of stealing? Sure, the RIAA is a group of idiots, just like SCO, patent trolls, the Bush policy makers, etc..etc...but in a world where profits are the key to everyone's bottom line, do you really fault the RIAA for doing what theycan to protect their product? If someone was stealing your mail, would you be upset? Your food? Your checking account? You all would protect what you think is reasonably your property. There is nothing wrong with people doing what is legal. The problem is in that profits are put above civility. Until we become a society that accepts equality for everyone and no one has more than the other, then accept this, keep stealing your music and movies, and when you get busted, serve or pay your penalty.

    Oh, and for the ones who say they are making a backup, right. And I have some medicinal pot to sell you....

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      Anonymous Coward, 15 Jun 2006 @ 9:50am

      Re: I agree with Zach on this one

      Stealing. Ok, clown... The RIAA protecting their product? Maybe the MPAA has a little ground in the matter, since they spend a whole lot of money producing and offering the movie for sale, in which they deserve the sales...

      RIAA no... they pick-pocket the new artist's pockets of money their fans are TRYING to get to them, only for some idiot label to strip them of that money they should rightfully get.

      Yeah, screw that I choose donating to the band themselves personally over ever going through some corporation who strips them of the money they rightfully deserve.

      Don't give me that morality horse-crap. Check the leash the RIAA has got around your neck, it might be cutting off the blood to your head.

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      Anonymous Coward, 15 Jun 2006 @ 10:08am

      Re: I agree with Zach on this one

      People are outraged over the seizure of servers owned by people not involved in anyway with The Pirate Bay. Your allegation that they were "people promoting methods of stealing" is the kind of outlandish propaganda expected of an astroturfing industry tool, whether you are or not.

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    Justin, 15 Jun 2006 @ 9:28am

    Sharing isn't stealing, and once studios realsise that online sharing has actually helped the flagging recording industry, maybe they'll learn to capitalize instead of making every customer a criminal.

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    Anonymous Coward, 15 Jun 2006 @ 9:37am

    "Sharing isn't stealing" ??

    Justin, did you buy some of that medicinal pot from WirelessGuy?

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      Anonymous Coward, 15 Jun 2006 @ 10:53am

      Re:

      He said you bought him out.

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      Anonymous Coward, 15 Jun 2006 @ 11:12am

      Re:

      Justin is right, sharing isn't stealing. It is however copyright infringment.

      Stealing would mean the person that stole broke into someone elses computer and took the music without permission, or physically took the music in someway from someplace. The RIAA cannot point to anyone that broke into any of their or their clients computers. Hence no theft. They only claim that they have lost money due to lost sales in which they blame file sharing. The problem I see is there is no way they can say, with hard numbers, how many sales they supposedly lost. They only have to convice a judge they have lost sales, wheither true or not, to win a case.

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        thePath, 17 Jun 2006 @ 10:46pm

        Re:

        ... sharing isn't stealing. It is however copyright infringment.

        By which country's copyright law(s)? By the U.S.A. laws, sharing is not. Libraries share pages (even whole books) from books, articals. They also share music, movies, etc. all the time. Now they (libraries) pay a fee for each article they copy, but it is in lue of a royalty which would be due if they were a business doing the same or if they sold it.

        People are more like libraries than businesses, only with more rights than either of them. If a person has no intention of selling a copyrighted object or of preventing the person who copyrighted the object from making a living from the object, then he is not infringing the copyright. An owner of a copy of a piece of music/ video, etc., may copy it as many times as he wishes. And he can copy it to his HHD, iPOD, flash drive and make it available to his family as much as he wants. The copyright laws allow for this. IT. IS. CALLED. FAIR. USE.

        Now as to ownership, someone may try to argue that such objects as music and video on cd/dvd are not sold but leased. And thus ownership stays with the copyright owner and only the physical media is sold. There is serious problems with this model and much legal precedents must be overturned to make such claims legally 'true.'

        “Mean while back at the farm …”

        …sharing isn't stealing. It is however copyright infringment.

        But this has nothingr to do, legally, with file sharing and stealing. Personally I believe much of the file sharing is morally stealing. Not all of it, as the RAII has stated, but a large portion of it is.

        What the TPB site was doing, up to the last month or so, was technique NOT ILLEGAL. Only recently has an individual in an agency of the Swedish government declared it illegal (based on a ‘Recommendation’ from the EU gov.) From that time on, the police must act as if what TPB was doing WAS illegal. (Are people considered innocent until proven guilty under Swedish law? How about EU law?)

        Now we come to what the police did. It may have been legal under Swedish law but it was morally wrong for them to take, damage or obstruct the gainful and legal commerce of other companies, even if they were on machines that were owned by an ISP who “allowed” a company to “break the law.” There is no excuse for a government employee to ever over react in caring out his duties, as far as I can see. Personally I think an employee of the government should be subject to twice the punishment of a regular citizen if they break any law, even while fulfilling their duties.

        Well that’s my $2/100. ;-}


        -{ All my opinions are mine. Not someone else’s. And like all of my opinions are cast in structurally solid JELLO! With a little heat, -- they slump -- and can be recast in new and greater forms!}-

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    Piratebay FAN, 15 Jun 2006 @ 10:15am

    Zach, pull your head out of the RIAA's arse..

    "by Zach on Jun 15th, 2006 @ 7:03am
    Did anyone ever stop to think that what Pirate Bay is doing is promoting software and music theft? Everyone whines and whines about civil liberties and rights but the simple fact is Pirate Bay is exploiting Swiss law to operate as a piracy hub. They even have Pirate in the name. Someone please explain to me why you are entitled to steal someone elses property?
    I don't support the government just raiding peoples businesses etc. but this is a pretty clear cut case."
    So for all you whiners who think you deserve free music and software I will be over later to clean our your living room because I feel entitled to your TV and DVD player

    Stop talking, NO ONE wants to hear THIS from YOU. Are you an employee of the RIAA? are YOU losing money because of Piratebay? SHUT-IT! go post that crap on the RIAA site, ass-bandit

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    Sean, 15 Jun 2006 @ 11:18am

    Thoughts on filesharing

    We've entered into a grey area!!! In order for the act of stealing to occur one must gain an item and another loose. For example if I steal from a store the store looses the product and I gain it. But when I download a program or a song, nothing tangible is lost. What these companies clamed to be missing are there investments and there profits.

    They say they are loosing millions. The fact is they aren't loosing anything, they just assume that these people would be paying. The reality is that most people who illegally download a track probably can't afford the damn cd or program in the first place. So the RIAA can't really asses how much they could be making, and suing these people doesn't do much to thwart the problem.

    Another thing to note, most of this illegal activity is done by teens and young adults, the people without disposable incomes. Let’s take the program Photoshop for example. This is a program that just about any college student has a ripped version of. A lot of people use this program but only a few will actually learn how to use it. Even master it and learn how to profit from it. In all likelihood those who master the program will either buy the program when they can afford it or work for a firm that will purchase a copy for there workstation.

    Now adobe might look and say will all of these college students have a copy of it on there machines so we’ve lost x amount of dollars. But the truth is most of those students who use it to paste heads on donkeys probably don’t have the money in the first place for the program and wind up doing nothing with the program anyways. So are they stealing if adobe would have never gained anything from these people anyways? I mean adobe isn’t losing anything tangible, if anything they are gaining users. People learn the program for free and if it works out for them they buy it.

    Now look at music, the same idea can be applied. We have a large group of people who don’t have the disposable income (they can’t afford the cd in the first place) listening to music. Now lets look and see how many of them found some obscure band, later on buying the or paying for a legal download when they could afford it.

    The RIAA looks at these users with hard drives filled with music and they say, we’ve lost out on every single copy. We’ll have they, a lot of guys who share music don’t listen to all of it. I mean I have 150GB of music, most of it is there as an archive. I mean how often do I listen to nada surf. It lasted a week and then I was over it. But so what if it stay’s in my collection and someone else downloads it and enjoys it. I know I’m not.

    The RIAA would disagree with me here, they would say hey, this guy is stealing from us and you’re letting him by providing your music to people to listen to. I say this, if I’m not profiting from its no different from me inviting a friend over to listen to nada surf or even having him borrow it for a week. The difference is I’m have thousands of friends come over ,not literally, but with file sharing is like opening up your cd book to your friends on the internet. Can you see now how this is a grey area. Sure there are people who could afford the cd’s and download cause they don’t want to pay. But that’s my point they wouldn’t pay in the first place… So how can the RIAA say they are loosing out on that profit they wouldn’t be getting in the first place. Then look at the millions of dollars the stars are making and these executives are getting. I don’t think p2p users are stealing there investment or profits at all!

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    Teph, 15 Jun 2006 @ 12:53pm

    Although Sean has awful grammer and spelling skills, he proves the point I've been screaming for years.

    I think as a whole the distributation helps the bands more than hurts them.


    Take for instance, Our Lady Peace. I LOVE their music. I've seen them several times in concert and own all their albums. About a month and a half to two months prior to the release of Gravity, their newest album, I found a pre-release of the album in an IRC channel and downloaded it.

    My brother and myself listened to that album over and over again, and absolutly loved it. When the album was released, we BOTH bought it, even though we could have easily shared it. A week after the album was released they played at Deep Ellum Live in Dallas. We went and knew the album better than anyone else because we had the time to learn and love it.

    Did anyone lose money? No.

    Like sean said, I've got a nada surf album. I've got every U2 and REM album. Would I have BOUGHT all those albums? No fucking way. But because I could download them I grew to like the artists more, and I bought both band's newest albums and saw REM in concert, where I might not have done so otherwise.

    Again, if anything, all those band MADE money off the whole thing. Not lost any. Anways.

    So yeah, I don't want to totally repeat what he said, so...

    yeah, what he said. ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑ ↑

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    Max-Ray, 15 Jun 2006 @ 1:17pm

    Sweden vs. RIAA

    I'll be surprised if Sweden does not turn around and sue RIAA for having their representatives give them bad information for what servers need to be taken.

    I agree with the other posters, the music model that the RIAA wants so desperately to hold onto, is antiquated. A bunch of greedy, rich old guys who only want more money. Why else would the pressure iTunes to raise the price on some of their albums? Because they want to make even more money.

    I always love the RIAA argument that sharing music is hurting the bands themselves. The bands only make about 3 cents per CD in royalties. And that money is sucked up by fees for making that recording (studio time, engineering time....) I think was Janice Ian (70's singer/songwriter) who said that she never got a royalty check from her Label, only that the royalty was used to pay off what she already owed the record label to make her albums. She only made money by touring.

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