Why Making Social Media Companies Liable For User Content Doesn’t Do What Many People Think It Will

from the how-stuff-works dept

Brazil’s Supreme Court appears close to ruling that social media companies should be liable for content hosted on their platforms—a move that appears to represent a significant departure from the country’s pioneering Marco Civil internet law. While this approach has obvious appeal to people frustrated with platform failures, it’s likely to backfire in ways that make the underlying problems worse, not better.

The core issue is that most people fundamentally misunderstand both how content moderation works and what drives platform incentives. There’s a persistent myth that companies could achieve near-perfect moderation if they just “tried harder” or faced sufficient legal consequences. This ignores the mathematical reality of what happens when you attempt to moderate billions of pieces of content daily, and it misunderstands how liability actually changes corporate behavior.

Part of the confusion, I think, stems from people’s failure to understand the impossibility of doing content moderation well at scale. There is a very wrong assumption that social media platforms could do perfect (or very good) content moderation if they just tried harder or had more incentive to do better. Without denying that some entities (*cough* ExTwitter *cough*) have made it clear they don’t care at all, most others do try to get this right, and discover over and over again how impossible that is.

Yes, we can all point to examples of platform failures that are depressing and seem obvious that things should have been done differently, but the failures are not there because “the laws don’t require it.” The failures are because it’s impossible to do this well at scale. Some people will always disagree with how a decision comes out, and other times there are no “right” answers. Also, sometimes, there’s just too much going on at once, and no legal regime in the world can possibly fix that.

Given all of that, what we really want are better overall incentives for the companies to do better. Some people (again, falsely) seem to think the only incentives are regulatory. But that’s not true. Incentives come in all sorts of shapes and sizes—and much more powerful than regulations are things like the users themselves, along with advertisers and other business partners.

Importantly, content moderation is also a constantly moving and evolving issue. People who are trying to game the system are constantly adjusting. New kinds of problems arise out of nowhere. If you’ve never done content moderation, you have no idea how many “edge cases” there are. Most people—incorrectly—assume that most decisions are easy calls and you may occasionally come across a tougher one.

But there are constant edge cases, unique scenarios, and unclear situations. Because of this, every service provider will make many, many mistakes every day. There’s no way around this. It’s partly the law of large numbers. It’s partly the fact that humans are fallible. It’s partly the fact that decisions need to be made quickly without full information. And a lot of it is that those making the decisions just don’t know what the “right” approach is.

The way to get better is constant adjusting and experimenting. Moderation teams need to be adaptable. They need to be able to respond quickly. And they need the freedom to experiment with new approaches to deal with bad actors trying to abuse the system.

Putting legal liability on the platform makes all of that more difficult

Now, here’s where my concerns about the potential ruling in Brazil get to: if there is legal liability, it creates a scenario that is actually less likely to lead to good outcomes. First, it effectively requires companies to replace moderators with lawyers. If your company is now making decisions that come with significant legal liability, that likely requires a much higher type of expertise. Even worse, it’s creating a job that most people with law degrees are unlikely to want.

Every social media company has at least some lawyers who work with their trust & safety teams to review the really challenging cases, but when legal liability could accrue for every decision, it becomes much, much worse.

More importantly, though, it makes it way more difficult for trust & safety teams to experiment and adapt. Once things include the potential of legal liability, then it becomes much more important for the companies to have some sort of plausible deniability—some way to express to a judge “look, we’re doing the same thing we always have, the same thing every company has always done” to cover themselves in court.

But that means that these trust & safety efforts get hardened into place, and teams are less able to adapt or to experiment with better ways to fight evolving threats. It’s a disaster for companies that want to do the right thing.

The next problem with such a regime is that it creates a real heckler’s veto-type regime. If anyone complains about anything, companies are quick to take it down, because the risk of ruinous liability just isn’t worth it. And we now have decades of evidence showing that increasing liability on platforms leads to massive overblocking of information. I recognize that some people feel this is acceptable collateral damage… right up until it impacts them.

This dynamic should sound familiar to anyone who’s studied internet censorship. It’s exactly how China’s Great Firewall originally operated—not through explicit rules about what was forbidden, but by telling service providers that the punishment would be severe if anything “bad” got through. The government created deliberate uncertainty about where the line was, knowing that companies would respond with massive overblocking to avoid potentially ruinous consequences. The result was far more comprehensive censorship than direct government mandates could have achieved.

Brazil’s proposed approach follows this same playbook, just with a different enforcement mechanism. Rather than government officials making vague threats, it would be civil liability creating the same incentive structure: when in doubt, take it down, because the cost of being wrong is too high.

People may be okay with that, but I would think that in a country with a history of dictatorships and censorship, they would like to be a bit more cautious before handing the government a similarly powerful tool of suppression.

It’s especially disappointing in Brazil, which a decade ago put together the Marco Civil, an internet civil rights law that was designed to protect user rights and civil liberties—including around intermediary liability. The Marco Civil remains an example of more thoughtful internet lawmaking (way better than we’ve seen almost anywhere else, including the US). So this latest move feels like backsliding.

Either way, the longer-term fear is that this would actually limit the ability of smaller, more competitive social media players to operate in Brazil, as it will be way too risky. The biggest players (Meta) aren’t likely to leave, but they have buildings full of lawyers who can fight these lawsuits (and often, likely, win). A study we conducted a few years back detailed how as countries ratcheted up their intermediary liability, the end result was, repeatedly, fewer online places to speak.

That doesn’t actually improve the social media experience at all. It just gives more of it to the biggest players with the worst track records. Sure, a few lawsuits may extract some cash from these companies for failing to be perfect, but it’s not like they can wave a magic wand and not let any “criminal” content exist. That’s not how any of this works.

Some responses to issues raised by critics

When I wrote about this on a brief Bluesky thread, I received hundreds of responses—many quite angry—that revealed some common misunderstandings about my position. I’ll take the blame for not expressing myself as clearly as I should have and I’m hoping the points above lay out the argument more clearly regarding how this could backfire in dangerous ways. But, since some of the points were repeated at me over and over again (sometimes with clever insults), I thought it would be good to address some of the arguments directly:

But social media is bad, so if this gets rid of all of it, that’s good. I get that many people hate social media (though, there was some irony in people sending those messages to me on social media). But, really what most people hate is what they see on social media. And as I keep explaining, the way we fix that is with more experimentation and more user agency—not handing everything over to Mark Zuckerberg and Elon Musk or the government.

Brazil doesn’t have a First Amendment, so shut up and stop with your colonialist attitude. I got this one repeatedly and it’s… weird? I never suggested Brazil had a First Amendment, nor that it should implement the equivalent. I simply pointed out the inevitable impact of increasing intermediary liability on speech. You can decide (as per the comment above) that you’re fine with this, but it has nothing to do with my feelings about the First Amendment. I wasn’t suggesting Brazil import American free speech laws either. I was simply pointing out what the consequences of this one change to the law might create.

Existing social media is REALLY BAD, so we need to do this. This is the classic “something must be done, this is something, we will do this” response. I’m not saying nothing must be done. I’m just saying this particular approach will have significant consequences that it would help people to think through.

It only applies to content after it’s been adjudicated as criminal. I got that one a few times from people. But, from my reading, that’s not true at all. That’s what the existing law was. These rulings would expand it greatly from what I can tell. Indeed, the article notes how this would change things from existing law:

The current legislation states social media companies can only be held responsible if they do not remove hazardous content after a court order.

[….]

Platforms need to be pro-active in regulating content, said Alvaro Palma de Jorge, a law professor at the Rio-based Getulio Vargas Foundation, a think tank and university.

“They need to adopt certain precautions that are not compatible with simply waiting for a judge to eventually issue a decision ordering the removal of that content,” Palma de Jorge said.

You’re an anarchocapitalist who believes that there should be no laws at all, so fuck off. This one actually got sent to me a bunch of times in various forms. I even got added to a block list of anarchocapitalists. Really not sure how to respond to that one other than saying “um, no, just look at anything I’ve written for the past two and a half decades.”

America is a fucking mess right now, so clearly what you are pushing for doesn’t work. This one was the weirdest of all. Some people sending variations on this pointed to multiple horrific examples of US officials trampling on Americans’ free speech, saying “see? this is what you support!” as if I support those things, rather than consistently fighting back against them. Part of the reason I’m suggesting this kind of liability can be problematic is because I want to stop other countries from heading down a path that gives governments the power to stifle speech like the US is doing now.

I get that many people are—reasonably!—frustrated about the terrible state of the world right now. And many people are equally frustrated by the state of internet discourse. I am too. But that doesn’t mean any solution will help. Many will make things much worse. And the solution Brazil is moving towards seems quite likely to make the situation worse there.

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Anonymous Coward says:

“They need to adopt certain precautions that are not compatible with simply waiting for a judge to eventually issue a decision ordering the removal of that content”

What better proof of the impossible good content moderation at scale could be given? Even Brazilian judges cannot keep up with moderation.

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MrWilson (profile) says:

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And cats and dogs will live together and there will be chaos on the streets!

You fail to recognize, Chicken Little, is that it wouldn’t kill the internet because it would kill money-making schemes that conservatives and their donors rely on. They won’t kill their golden goose. It’s also a giant recruiting tool. Greed and power-mongering will save the internet because they don’t want to lose the power and money that it gives them. There will be compromises and innocent people will get caught in the middle, but in the end, something functional will survive.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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I can yell about this all I want, because it won’t fucking matter anymore in a few months anyway.

If you know with the absolute certainty of God that 230 will be abolished and nobody can stop it…well, to quote Dragon Ball Z Abridged of all things: “There’s no point in being afraid of the inevitable.”

This Chicken Little act grates on everyone else’s nerves because you threw yourself into quicksand and you’re trying to drag other people into the pit with you. In the abstract, I don’t care if you’re going to suffer from the death of 230 (if it ever happens) because plenty of other people around the world will suffer as well. Your problems aren’t any more unique or special than theirs; complaining about them every chance you get won’t change that fact.

I’m not here to play the role of your parent, your therapist, or your God. I’m here to tell you that if you’re so fucking paranoid about the end of 230 that the only thing you can think to do is fish for pity on this site, you can either go touch grass or go prep for the end of 230. Beyond that, acting like the sky is falling on every day the U.S. government doesn’t amend the Constitution to include Section 230 is annoying as fuck. Go somewhere else if you want to be the center of attention at a well-attended pity party; you’ll find no such spotlight here.

Anonymous Coward says:

I’d not be surprised if this emboldens the anti-section 230 crowd in the US and maybe even something similair in the EU. The internet is going away and we’ll soon no longer have the means of communicating with one another.

Either that or this will serve as an example of how stupid this kind of liability is and make other countries think twice.

Arianity (profile) says:

Yes, we can all point to examples of platform failures that are depressing and seem obvious that things should have been done differently, but the failures are not there because “the laws don’t require it.” The failures are because it’s impossible to do this well at scale.

This is a bit black and white. The reason people get frustrated is because some of those failures aren’t because of scale, or edge cases. Some of these companies that have reasonable policies on paper just fuck up implementation, sometimes systematically. You tend to be pretty forgiving overall, and it’s largely justified- people do way overestimate how easy moderation is. But not every fuck up falls into difficulty due to scale. Sometimes it’s just an avoidable mistake.

Incentives come in all sorts of shapes and sizes—and much more powerful than regulations are things like the users themselves, along with advertisers and other business partners.

While these can be strong incentives, they are also have their own limitations. Twitter is an prime example. Despite going off the literal deep end, it’s still not dead. The threat of market discipline only matters if users will credibly leave. Things like network effects can blunt users leaving, and you also have to get users to notice and/or care. Which can be especially problematic given that most moderation decisions are opaque. (And relying on this atomistic behavior is extremely difficult, as people like Cory Doctorow have pointed out in other contexts). You can see this in other industries- there are many companies people straight up hate, and yet still exist.

Ultimately, the problem is the optimal solution with user/advertiser based incentives is “invest enough into moderation to avoid any major public scandals, but minimize spending otherwise”. It becomes about weighing two different costs, and a company isn’t incentivized to invest more into moderation for lower profits, even if that would be better for society overall. (It also actively incentivizes away from things like transparency, since that might get picked up as a call to action)

Anonymous Coward says:

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Yeah, I also have issues with the framework of “Platforms have the freedom to tinker around with moderation to find what works, and any platform that slips up or decides to go toxic invites competition from alternatives.”

YouTube recently pulled back once again on content moderation. Nobody’s gonna be building a true alternative to YouTube with better content moderation any time soon.

There are too many people stuck on platforms willing to give a free pass to bad actors. And the issue of platforms giving a free pass to bad actors doesn’t evaporate when a certain percentage of people of good conscience leave for greener pastures. Musk, Chaiya Raichik, and more, not just bad actors in the U.S. but internstionally, will still have their captive audience of millions ready to act on their orders.

Dennis F. Heffernan (profile) says:

Nuke the site from orbit

Put me down for “social media is bad, get rid of all of it”.

It’s the only way to be sure.

Sorry, long time online person myself, from BBS’s to Usenet to now, I wish it wasn’t true but the experiment has failed. Letting a hundred million people write whatever the hell they want has done far more damage than good.

People could still run their own blogs, we can have small curated communities, but the Wild West approach has got to go. Break it up.

And yes we’re using social media to call for the end of social media. What are we supposed to use, Western Union?

Anonymous Coward says:

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Put me down for “social media is bad, get rid of all of it”.

It’s the only way to be sure.

And

the Wild West approach has got to go. Break it up

And

People could still run their own blogs, we can have small curated communities,

Seems pretty clear that: “small sites are ok, big is bad” is being asserted. And large crowed, and protests would be both imminently on your mind (if you regularly read techdirt), and the real world application of the same.

Stephen T. Stone (profile) says:

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Instead of assuming the point, you could’ve tried asking them whether they believe large crowds of people (e.g., major metropolitian cities, large protests) in meatspace are a bad thing. Leaping to that assumption based on how they feel about online spaces⁠—which you and I both know aren’t the same as IRL spaces⁠—seems…misguided, at best.

Anonymous Coward says:

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And yes we’re using social media to call for the end of social media. What are we supposed to use, Western Union?

You should use whichever methods you believe are acceptable for spreading a message. No reason to use ones that should be banned when there are substitutes available.

Unless of course, your actual goal is just silence. In which case you should be silent.

Anonymous Coward says:

Charitably speaking as to meeting the criticism, I personally find it hard to be convinced by voices who regardless of platform seem to actively search for posts mentioning ‘social media’ to try to be incendiary. Even putting aside the usual arguments of ‘but then why are you on social media/why are you posting anonymously’, that’s just strange behavior, like actively searching out posts about dogs to talk about how much better cats are.

Soquili (profile) says:

Hmm, “social media is bad, get rid of all of it” is one way to look at it, of course we could fix all the worlds problems if we replace “social media” with “humanity”, but that is seen as silly/too extreme/not what I want.

What it usually boils down to is that everyone has alternatives available but they don’t want to use those for whatever reason. Usually everyone wants rules they like that don’t affect themselves, something not likely to happen with groups, much less large groups.

Wonder why the “shut it all down, it’s all bad” folks are still using the very thing they complain about? They want to use what they want, they just don’t like how someone else uses “their” thing.

There isn’t a fix coming and there never will be as long as people are people.

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Anonymous Coward says:

This incident on Bluesky should be very illuminating for you to understand why so many people find the culture there so toxic and don’t want to use it.

Someone has some opinion that some extremists don’t like and they try to make a ruckus out of it.

There was even an incident where a journalist with controversial views wasn’t banned, and crazy people went harassing the Head of T&S, doing QAnon shit like suggesting he is a predator.

This shit is out of control. There were times where it was worse than Twitter.

justsomebloke (profile) says:

News versus Social Media - Just a thought

I fully appreciate the impossibility of faultless content moderation at scale.

I also understand the fundamental significance of §230 in companies not being held liable for UGC etc, especially in the context of large incumbent companies with (near) limitless resources and smaller start-up with almost no resources.

That said, journalists and news companies are very much held liable for the news they publish online, as well as in other channels.

And when social media is just ‘social’ media in the sense of individuals posting their holiday anecdotes, career progress and what not – §230 totally makes sense, all good.

Where this debate gets interesting and, I fear, highly complex, is when we consider the fact that a majority (* source below) of US citizens source their news from online social media.

So we now have a situation where news companies are held liable for what they publish, yet a majority of the population get their news from sites that are not liable for the content on their sites and are overflowing with disinformation.

I’ve no idea what the solution is, but boy do we have a problem. And maybe I’m off the mark here, but the more I look at the current state of western democracies, the more I get the feeling that social media is part of the problem. At least in the sense that the negative effects seem to outweigh the positive more and more.

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https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/jun/17/social-media-overtakes-tv-as-main-source-of-news-in-us-analysis-finds?utm_source=chatgpt.com

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