House Looks To Make KOSA And COPPA Worse

from the not-this-again dept

If you had that Congress was going to take bad “protect the children” bills and make them worse on your bingo card, congratulations, you’ve won this week’s easiest prediction.

This seems like a not great situation. As mentioned, the House Energy & Commerce Committee is holding a markup today for a bunch of bills. Yesterday, they revealed the various amendments being proposed, including three replacement bills (called Amendments in the Nature of a Substitute or “AINS”) for KOSA, COPPA 2.0, and APRA.

COPPA 2.0 is another problematic “protect the children bill” that takes the already problematic COPPA law and makes it way worse. In the Senate, the vote on KOSA (which was approved 91 to 3) was actually a merged version of KOSA and COPPA 2.0, referred to as KOSPA. So, what happens to both bills is important. The inclusion of APRA is a bit strange as it was an attempt at a comprehensive federal privacy bill that I thought was probably about as good as we might otherwise get, though it involved compromises. But it died a quick death as folks on both sides of the issue hated the compromises. I have no idea why anyone would bring it back now as it just didn’t have the votes.

The new versions of KOSA and COPPA 2.0, however, still do not fix the underlying problems of these bills, and in some ways appear to make them worse. The new version of KOSA adds in new language that will absolutely lead to abuse by Republicans to force companies to remove LGBTQ+ content. At least the version that passed the Senate made some weak attempts to try to insulate the bill against claims that was possible. Not so much here.

There’s a new part of the “duty of care” section (always the most problematic part of the bill) that says that “high impact online companies” need to “prevent and mitigate” the following:

Promotion of inherently dangerous acts that are likely to cause serious bodily harm, serious emotional disturbance, or death.

On its face, this might not seem all that troubling, until you actually think about it. First off, it seems like an attempt to hold websites liable for various challenges that the media loves to report on, though there is scant evidence that they lead to widespread copycat behavior. As we’ve discussed, these kinds of stupid “challenges” predate even the internet. As the CDC has noted, there are reports of such challenges appearing in newspapers dating back to the 1970s.

Did we threaten to put liability on newspapers for that? Of course not. Yes, it’s bad if kids are putting themselves in danger, but when these challenges made the rounds in the 70s and 80s we taught kids not to do stupid stuff. There’s no reason we can’t continue to educate kids, rather than hand off an impossible task to internet companies to magically find and stop all such content in the first place.

As much as people may not like it, most of those challenges are protected First Amendment speech. Holding companies liable for not magically making them disappear is going to be a problem.

Perhaps a bigger deal, though, is the inclusion of “serious emotional disturbance” in that description. The bill includes a definition for this, which might seem better than the vague “mental health disorder” that was in the original KOSA, but here it creates even more problems:

SERIOUS EMOTIONAL DISTURBANCE.—The term ‘‘serious emotional disturbance’’ means, with respect to a minor, the presence of a diagnosable mental, behavioral, or emotional disorder in the past year, which resulted in functional impairment that substantially interferes with or limits the minor’s role or functioning in family, school, or community activities.

So, um, can literally anyone in Congress explain how a social media platform will know whether or not (1) someone using their website has been diagnosed with a “serious emotional disturbance,” or (2) that content on their website will lead to a diagnosis of a “serious emotional disturbance”?

A pretty straight reading of this suggests that social media companies need to get direct access to everyone’s medical records to determine if they’ve been diagnosed with an “emotional disturbance.” And, well, that doesn’t seem good.

Also, given that much of the GOP falsely believes that a child coming out as transgender means that they have a “serious emotional disturbance,” this part of the bill will almost certainly be used (as we warned) to try to force social media companies to remove LGBTQ+ content to avoid being accused of failing to “prevent and mitigate” such “serious emotional damage.”

Right after that section, the new version says that the “duty of care” means that a “high impact online company” must then somehow prevent or mitigate “compulsive usage” when they know a user is a “minor.” The definition for compulsive usage is… well… not great.

COMPULSIVE USAGE.—The term ‘‘compulsive usage’’ means a persistent and repetitive use of a covered platform that substantially limits 1 or more major life activities (as described in section 3(2) of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (42 U.S.C. 12102(2))) of an individual, including eating, sleeping, learning, reading, concentrating, thinking, communicating, and working.

So, over the past few weeks, I’ve been reading a fascinating book. I ended up staying up noticeably later than I planned to on multiple evenings as I was glued to the book. It also definitely limited my ability to concentrate and think about other stuff as it was so gripping. Is that compulsive usage? It might not be an online service, but if I’d been reading it on the Kindle, would it be?

How does one distinguish compulsive usage that one must “prevent” under this law from… some content people really like a lot?

The problem, of course, is that the bill doesn’t say. This means that companies will take the lazy way out and just block all sorts of content to be safe.

There are more problems, but this “amended” version is deeply, deeply problematic.

The same is true of the updated COPPA 2.0 as well, especially for children who are estranged from their parents, or who may live in a household where a parent does not accept the kids for who they are. Specifically, the bill includes the ability of parents of children and teenagers to obtain basically any information a website has on their children, and to correct or delete that information.

It’s not hard to see how this could go very, very badly. Imagine an LGBTQ+ child who has not come out to their intolerant parents, but who has found communities online that are helpful to them. Parents can demand that internet platforms hand over all the info they provided to the platform:

require the operator to provide, upon the request of a parent of a teen or a teen under this subparagraph who has provided personal information to the operator, upon proper identification of that parent or that teen—

(i) a description of the specific types of personal information collected from the teen by the operator, the method by which the operator obtained the personal information, and the purposes for which the operator collects, uses, discloses, and retains the personal information;

(ii) the opportunity at any time to delete personal information collected from the teen or content or information submitted by the teen to a website, online service, online application, or mobile application and to refuse to permit the operator’s further use or maintenance in retrievable form, or online collection, of personal information from the teen;

(iii) the opportunity to challenge the accuracy of the personal information and, if the parent or the teen establishes the inaccuracy of the personal information, to have the inaccurate personal information corrected; and

(iv) a means that is reasonable under the circumstances for the parent or the teen to obtain any personal information collected from the teen, if such information is available to the operator at the time the parent or the teen makes the request;

Kids have privacy rights too, but not under this bill. The assumption here is that kids have no rights, that kids are the property of their parents, and that parents can get access to basically any content their kids access online, and even change the data on their kids. While there may be cases where that would be appropriate, there are so many when it is not, and the bill makes no effort to distinguish.

All in all, these new versions of the bill don’t fix the problems of the old ones, and in many ways make them worse.

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Tdestroyer209 says:

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It’s been hell on me too hearing that KOSA advances whenever I check tech news.

I want it to just die already but of course the KOSA advocates are determined to keep KOSA’s half dead corpse going whenever if we like or not.

Honestly any advocate pushing for KOSA at this point can go f_ck themselves like seriously this push is ridiculous.

Tdestroyer209 says:

I am honestly doubting KOSA is gonna pass even more when the House and Senate versions are somewhat different from each other.

Considering there’s a week and a half til head home for reelection in the house like I’m not gonna lie this feels like sheer mind blowing stupidity and arrogance to push KOSA forward when it hasn’t even the first house committee for crying out loud.

Ugh the stupidity from the House and Senate for wasting time on this unconstitutional bill is so goddamned stupid that it makes my head hurt.

Let’s not forget the biggest idiot who started this shitshow of a bill aka Blumenthal who needs to be in a retirement home and not ruining the internet for some moral crusade bullshit.

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Anonymous Coward says:

COMPULSIVE USAGE.—The term ‘‘compulsive usage’’ means a persistent and repetitive use of a covered platform that substantially limits 1 or more major life activities (as described in section 3(2) of the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (42 U.S.C. 12102(2))) of an individual, including eating, sleeping, learning, reading, concentrating, thinking, communicating, and working.

So. Romance is to be banned.

AJ (profile) says:

The new version of KOSA adds in new language that will absolutely lead to abuse by Republicans to force companies to remove LGBTQ+ content.

Why have you been calling them “Republicans”, since there are those with other political affiliations who also support and aim to make use of this kind of cr*p. Please find a better term to describe them.

Anonymous Coward says:

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“Why have you been calling them “Republicans””

Probably something to do with the last few words in the post to which you replied?

“abuse by Republicans to force companies to remove LGBTQ+ content. ”

I can imagine that both parties do in fact abuse the law, however they tend to do so in different ways, for different purposes, etc.

Tdestroyer209 says:

Looks Blackburn and the advocacy groups are going all in to pressure the House to pass KOSA aka meetings with representatives to push for support this week.

“facepalm” x 100

Jfc the desperation to pass KOSA from them is nuts like do they think the House will drop everything for a group of neglectful parents to instantly pass it on the same day.

Christ these advocacy groups have lost it mentally.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Pray tell why is your response to my pragmatism to censor me? You and/or a similar bloke did it earlier the last time I said this. I seriously don’t know how you can read what I’m saying and reach the conclusion “trolling”.

I’m not saying give up I’m saying time to move on to the next way to defeat this and just in case find a new social media site to use since I assume none of us here plan on submitting our IDs to use youtube or twitter.

Your childish response and faulty no compromise optimism is far less helpful when dealing with the reality of politics, everything can end badly for those who value freedom.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Ok, I see how it is. I give a detailed response for why I give the answers I do having been around to see how this kind of thing progresses since 2010, somehow that’s a rule violation while this mofo just repeatedly says “flagged” as if that’s helpful.

Good to know the techdirt community is full of foolish children who can’t stand negativity when the politicians aren’t giving you a choice.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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The bill becomes law if the President signs it within 10 days, or if he/she has done nothing with it after 10 days. If the President veto’s the bill by sending it back with a list of objections (again, within 10 days), then it takes a 2/3rds majority vote in both the House and the Senate to override that presidential veto.

There’s more to it, but that’s the basics of it. All that we can assume now is that Biden will listen to expert advice and send it back with a long book’s worth of objections. That should delay it until after the new Congress is sworn in next January.

BTW, while it looks like the ‘Pubs are pushing to get it done, that’s not true. What they’re doing is getting it in front of their constituents so they can say “You must return me to Washington so that I can keep pushing to pass this bill and make the world safe for your kids!!”

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Matt says:

"Functional impairment" you say?

“resulted in functional impairment that substantially interferes with or limits the minor’s role or functioning in family, school, or community activities.”

So, hypothetically, if a minor watched some videos on social media and then started believing that their imaginary friend was telling them to change their behavior, would that count?

Or will there be a “well, not if it’s JEEBUS obviously” exemption?

Fundies are playing with fire waving around the “mental illness” brush.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Once again

To the people who might be thinking this is the Senate version: IT’S NOT
This article is referring to the house version of KOSA (H.R.7891) so if it passes out of committee it’s going to have to go through the House, then the Senate.
I’m not an expert and something else might happen, but context is key. And once again to those spiraling down anxiety, take a break from the news.

Anonymous Coward says:

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I suppose if this version of KOSA does pass, it’d collide with the senate version and we’d have a whole new drama and disagreements slowing it down from making it into law before the bill runs out of time and has to start over.

From personal experience with the anxiety, I think it’s a cry for help. You throw out your worst-case scenario and hope someone will come by, sit you down and explain how it’s not going to end up that way.

Problem is when the anxiety gets to such a point that genuinely nothing can convince you that your worst-outcome scenario won’t come true, regardless of what you’re told. Because at that point you’ve just lost faith in good things being possible at all.

Anonymous Coward says:

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This is how it works, house passes their version, house and senate then get together to agree on a final version (that will likely remove Wyden’s CDA 230 protection in the senate version) that will be sent to biden, biden signs it. If it passes the house that’s it for congress stopping it there is no run out of time scenario anymore, biden would have to veto it and you know that’s not happening.

Kinetic Gothic says:

There’s a new part of the “duty of care” section (always the most problematic part of the bill) that says that “high impact online companies” need to “prevent and mitigate” the following:

Promotion of inherently dangerous acts that are likely to cause serious bodily harm, serious emotional disturbance, or death.

Support for this in the GOP will last as long as it takes someone to point out this includes gun ownership and use.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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You could argue telling queer people they’re going to hell counts too.

Companies would have to remove their ultra-aggressive ass hate-spewing nonsense too if this went through.

As usual the GOP masterfully shows off its ability to stomp its foot on the rake as hard as possible.

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Anonymous Coward says:

LGBTQ focused?

Really feels like a way to slip LGBTQ censorship into a “save the kids” bill.

Acts that cause “bodily harm,” like (by their definition) gender-affirming surgery or even puberty blockers?

“Serious emotional disturbance,” like when they say over and over that every person who transitions is depressed for the rest of their life. “Interferes with functioning in school/community,” like being gay or trans in a small town?

“Compulsive usage,” aka the online people understand my LGBTQ feelings so I’ll hang out with them instead of the IRL bigots?

On top of everything else mentioned in the article, this just feels like a gift to people like DeSantis.

Samuel Abram (profile) says:

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“Serious emotional disturbance,” like when they say over and over that every person who transitions is depressed for the rest of their life.

Boy do the transphobes and the fascists (but I repeat myself) get that wrong! Outside of going to conventions like PAX, countries like Japan, and music festivals like MAGFest pre-pandemic, I haven’t been this happy being on estrogen!

The fascists don’t like happiness. Just look at how happy Kamala and Tim Walz are compared to Trumpy and J.D. Vance, to offer an example.

Samuel Abram (profile) says:

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Not really. They’re a hate group.

They hate queer people like me for being queer.

They hate BIPoC for being BIPoC

They hate cisgender women who have independent thoughts and aren’t submissive.

They hate any religion that isn’t their fascist brand of Christianity. The only Jews they like are the far-right ones in the Israeli Knesset. Otherwise, they’re fine with Nazi conspiracy theories like The Great Replacement.

And they will make any statement, and use any argument, even if (especially if) it’s not true, if it means killing anybody they hate.

That’s it.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

'You sold booze to kids, how horri- wait, how big is your store?'

There’s a new part of the “duty of care” section (always the most problematic part of the bill) that says that “high impact online companies” need to “prevent and mitigate” the following:

And therein lies the giveaway that this has nothing to do with Protecting The Children(tm) and everything to do with exploiting them to justify their desired censorship, because if certain content is ‘harmful’ to children then it’s harmful no matter the size of the platform it’s on.

It would be like passing a law that mandated that stores above a certain size aren’t allowed to sell cigarettes or booze to children, with nary a mention that anyone else isn’t allowed to do so, giving away the game that the primary target is the large store since the supporters know that the smaller companies they like would absolutely be in violation if the rules applied equally.

Arianity says:

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because if certain content is ‘harmful’ to children then it’s harmful no matter the size of the platform it’s on.

A common (valid) criticism of these bills is that new/smaller companies wouldn’t be able to comply with them. This addresses that. There’s also differences in scale/reach, which is a valid thing to consider when balancing concerns.

Mind you, it does that by simply allowing the harm, which… isn’t great. It’s still a bad bill overall, but it’s not coming out of left field on that particular point.

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Arianity says:

Kids have privacy rights too, but not under this bill. The assumption here is that kids have no rights, that kids are the property of their parents, and that parents can get access to basically any content their kids access online, and even change the data on their kids.

I mean, parental rights are generally pretty expansive. I don’t know if kids have any privacy rights that parents can’t override, legally? Ethically might be a different story, but we allow parents to do pretty much damn near anything. There’s very few areas where they can’t, outside of outright abuse or some (not even all) medical situations.

Yes, it’s bad if kids are putting themselves in danger, but when these challenges made the rounds in the 70s and 80s we taught kids not to do stupid stuff.

Did that actually “work”, though? And besides, there are some other key differences in terms of parents being able to keep up with it, reach, editorial review, and civil liability.

though there is scant evidence that they lead to widespread copycat behavior.

Eh, you have to be a bit careful with that. There’s probably no one shitting out a full blown studies on it yet, but that doesn’t mean we should dismiss it entirely until it does. You can argue to what scale, exactly, but as you said yourself And then there were some stories of it spreading and people going more extreme, because, you know, kids.. You’re playing pretty fast and loose with “widespread”. There are definitely a lot of trends that never go anywhere (or are just trolls to begin with), but it’s unlikely that these have no effect at all.

That said, here’s at least one study . Couldn’t bypass the paywall, though.

Arianity says:

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if we can count how many posts have been hidden and deleted no one wants your opinion

Then they’re free to not read it or engage with it. Just because it makes some people mad doesn’t mean it’s wrong, not worth posting, or not useful for other people. I’ve had plenty of reasonable conversations with people on here, both in agreement and disagreement.

Still waiting to hear what that lie was, by the way.

Arianity says:

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if you call troll posts true that’s sad

It sure would be, if they were troll posts. Luckily we have 5+ days of dodging to prove they aren’t. Calling normal posts troll posts because you don’t like them and then running away when you get called on it is pretty sad, though. It must be pretty hard not being able to make an argument.

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annoymus says:

https://www.fightforthefuture.org/news/2024-09-18-new-letter-hundreds-of-youth-beg-progressive-lawmakers-to-stand-up-for-them-against-kosa-and-conservative-attacks-on-reproductive-and-lgbtq-content/

It Passed Folks!

Heres What It Said!

KOSA passed the Senate over the summer and passed through the House Energy & Commerce committee today.

THERE IS NO MORE HOPE! NO ONE WOKE UP! We’re Fucked A Say! FUCKED!

crazysquid says:

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listen i have bad anxiety and this has been scaring me all yeah but its not over yet it still has to get through the house which has a little more tha week left to do anything for two months and is already in chaos tryinb to stop a shutdown and theres still alot of debate on just this version let alone the senate version and then trying to compromise between the too and even if it gets past all that and passes lawsuits could likely kill it

Anonymous Coward says:

“The assumption here is that kids have no rights, that kids are the property of their parents, and that parents can get access to basically any content their kids access online, and even change the data on their kids.”

Minor children legitimately have no rights. Period. They have privileges until they reach adulthood. Child ARE the property of their parents until they reach adulthood. Full stop.

As a parent I have an absolute right to search through my kids room, their diaries, their phones, their closet, their dresser, their purse, their backback, their social media and so on for any reason I determine is appropriate.

I can dictate what they wear, when they sleep, what they eat, who they communicate with, where and when they can communicate, what they use to communicate and with whom they communicate.

I have an absolute right to preview and review any content they digest online and to either allow or prevent it. Children have no right to privacy from parental oversight.

Anonymous Coward says:

So, over the past few weeks, I’ve been reading a fascinating book. I ended up staying up noticeably later than I planned to on multiple evenings as I was glued to the book. It also definitely limited my ability to concentrate and think about other stuff as it was so gripping. Is that compulsive usage? It might not be an online service, but if I’d been reading it on the Kindle, would it be?

How does one distinguish compulsive usage that one must “prevent” under this law from… some content people really like a lot?

Best argument ever.

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