Elon’s Standoff With Brazil Reveals Hypocrisy & Overreach By Both Sides

from the none-of-this-looks-good-for-anyone dept

In the battle between Elon Musk and Brazil, there are no heroes — only two sides engaged in an epic display of hypocrisy and overreach.

You may have heard that Brazil is threatening to ban ExTwitter from the country, possibly by tonight. This comes after Elon said that it was shutting down all operations in Brazil as the judiciary there continued to demand the company remove content that Elon didn’t want to remove. We wrote about some of the backstory in April, when Elon first said he was not going to obey the orders issued by Supreme Court Justice Alexandre de Moraes.

The orders focused on supporters of former Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro, a very Trumpian figure. His supporters had tried to pull a similar “storming the Congress” kind of move in January of 2023, which was about as successful as the Trumpian storming of the US Capitol two years earlier. Moraes had ordered both that ExTwitter share information on some users who were talking about the storming of the Brazilian Congress, and that some of the accounts be blocked.

What was less reported was that a few days later, ExTwitter quietly agreed that it would comply with the order. But then… it appears it did not. So, more recently, Moraes suggested that he would order ExTwitter’s legal representative in Brazil to be jailed for failure to comply. This is when Elon said they were pulling all operations out of the country.

Now Moraes has responded by saying that Brazil might just ban all of ExTwitter in the country in response.

None of this is unprecedented. We’ve talked in the past about Brazil arresting Facebook officials because WhatsApp wouldn’t reveal info on certain users (because it couldn’t, due to encryption) and then banning WhatsApp (multiple times). So we’ve seen this before.

Either way, Elon does not seem to be taking it well. He posted an image of Moraes in jail, which I’m sure is not winning him many fans among Moraes’ supporters.

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In response, there are reports suggesting that Moraes is also looking to freeze Starlink’s assets in Brazil. Of course, Starlink had just received a bunch of press for how it was being used by remote Amazon tribes.

In discussing this on Bluesky, I suggested that both sides are coming out of this looking extremely badly and got pushback, mainly from Brazilians and some people who dislike Musk.

The main argument is that it’s pretty clear that he is violating Brazilian law. First off, it involves disobeying orders coming from the Brazilian Supreme Court, which people insist must be obeyed. Also, the law in Brazil requires that to operate an internet service, you have to have an employee in the country.

But, here’s the thing: as we’ve argued for years, standing up and fighting back against unjust laws is what standing up for free speech and civil liberties is all about.

For example, lots of countries are now pushing for these laws that require internet companies to have local employees in order to arrest them if the company doesn’t do the government’s bidding. We have long pointed out how dangerous this is, as they are effectively “hostage laws” that enable authoritarian countries to put undue pressure on private companies.

Even if you claim that Brazil is somehow not authoritarian, blessing these kinds of laws enables authoritarian countries to use similar laws in similarly problematic ways. Are you okay with Russia having the same law (it does)? Or India?

Indeed, let’s look at what happened in India under Twitter’s previous regime as a comparison. Remember, Modi’s government had demanded that Twitter remove a bunch of tweets supportive of a massive protest by farmers in that country, and Twitter refused. The Indian government (like Moraes in Brazil) claimed at the time that the protests were threatening the stability of the Indian government.

When Twitter refused to pull down those tweets, the Modi government first threatened to jail Indian Twitter employees. Later, it raided Twitter’s offices in India. India threatened to ban Twitter in the country, and some politicians pushed Indians to move to a local competitor, Koo. Twitter fought back against those demands, and many people cheered them on for standing up for free speech and against undue pressure.

I don’t see how you separate these two stories. If Twitter was right to stand up to India when the Modi government made those demands, shouldn’t it stand up to Brazil when it makes similar demands? Isn’t that standing up for free speech?

The fact that Brazil has a hostage law, or that it has a law saying a single Supreme Court justice can demand content be removed, or that it can block a service entirely, or that same justice can freeze other unrelated assets… those are all bad? Those all seem like unjust powers that shouldn’t be allowed as they can easily be abused. Also, many of the original demands were secret, and if you are going to give a government the power to pull down content, the fact that those orders are secret is very concerning.

At the same time, yes, it appears that Elon is fighting all this in a dumb and antagonistic way. Making use of proper legal process upfront makes a lot more sense. Attacking the judge in question directly seems… unwise?

This is why I was saying that both sides look bad here. Musk also looks bad because of his selectiveness. Remember, he keeps claiming that his definition of free speech is “that which matches the law.”

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He literally said it again earlier this week:

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He notes that he wants ExTwitter to “support all viewpoints within the bounds of the laws of countries.”

Yet, here, he is against the laws in Brazil. At the very least, this highlights again how even Elon Musk doesn’t agree with Elon Musk’s definition of free speech, because it’s nonsensical. Supporting free speech sometimes means you have to stand up against unjust laws.

And, of course, as a reminder, before Elon took over Twitter (but while he was in a legal fight about it), he accused the company of violating the agreement because of its legal fight against the Modi government over their censorship demands. I know it’s long forgotten now, but one of the excuses Elon used in trying to kill the Twitter deal was that the company was fighting too hard to protect free speech in India.

And then, once he took over, he not only caved immediately to Modi’s demands, he agreed to block the content that the Modi government ordered blocked globally, not just in India.

So Elon isn’t even consistent on this point. He folds to governments when he likes the leadership and fights them when he doesn’t. It’s not a principled stance. It’s a cynical, opportunistic one.

But in the end, both sides look bad here. Elon’s response is childish and inconsistent with his own statements and actions elsewhere. And Brazil’s laws seem unjust, and its enforcement of the law seems extremely out of proportion with the alleged violations.

In the end, the real people who lose out are those in Brazil who have relied on ExTwitter as a useful service.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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To where?

Vtubers are forced to use it despite Elon turning it into Truth Social BECAUSE everyone in that fucking community uses it.

Worse, other platforms are hostile to Vtubers and that community.

And EVEN the Japanese don’t want us on their Masto instance that specifically welcomes anime.

NETWORK EFFECT, YOU STUPID FUCK, HOW DO YOU FIX THAT?

Anonymous Coward says:

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The main Masto instances ARE hostile to Vtuber stuff.

Bluesky too.

Pawoo (the Japanese Masto instance I was referring to) would like it if Vtubers fucked off.

And while there’s Vtuber Masto instances, it’s… not that promoted.

You are seriously underestimating the problem and yes, I WISH it was as easy as “spinning up a new Masto instance”.

You’re also asking at least three Japanese megacorps and several English-speaking corps to transition to a decentralized, fractured social media environment.

I am aware of the issues and proposed solutions and would LOVE it if everyone just accepted that they would have to maintain several social media presences in a fractured social media environment.

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31Bob (profile) says:

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Again, no one is saying otherwise. However, having a social media presence with lots of users is necessary for Vtubers, so they can’t leave the platform unless and until a viable alternative comes up. Simply saying “Don’t use ExTwitter” without a viable alternative isn’t helpful.

You’re literally arguing that some twat posting a video is more important than abandoning a platform that boosts Nazis and lies.

I guess the world is already lost. Well done.. slow clap

Anonymous Coward says:

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“Some twat” also happens to be a community that consists of three big corporations, at least a dozen smaller companies, and hundreds of independent streamers and shortform video makers.

And their fans. And the people who support them.

They all know. Everyone is aware of Elon’s Naziness and him replatforming a CSAM user.

And all you want is for these people, myself included, to burn those bridges, insult the ones left behind, and rebuild all these social networks in places that are presumably hostile to them.

All while you sat with your ass firmly in your head when the Republicans exported their anti-human ideology and SUCCEEDED in infecting other countries with that cancer. The same one that created Nazi Germany and kicked off World War 2.

It’s like you said, the world’s already lost.

Because you don’t want to listen to the problems of people in the first place.

Very fucking fascist of you. Kamala Harris and Tim Walz would be very fucking proud. And I respect those two and hope they win.

Anonymous Coward says:

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I’m not sorry real people have real problems.

And I’m even less sorry when you fucking Dems sat with your thumbs up your asses while the Ruspublicans spread their shitty ideology around the world to great success. (Thanks for ruining a few African states and Singapore, asshole. I hope you don’t lose sleep while those regions swing hard towards China.)

We ARE trying. We don’t have good answers.

And this sort of attitude is not helping.

bhull242 (profile) says:

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Some of us have a fucking spine.

Yeah, but some of us are pragmatic about this. I’m not happy about it, but a few of us leaving isn’t going to change anything, and most of us won’t leave without a viable alternative that isn’t super antagonistic against us.

Yeah, sorry your preferred thing isn’t convenient unless you associate with Nazis.

I’m not sorry that you are unwilling to accept the actual problems we face. You think this is about convenience? No, it’s about not leaving the frying pan and entering the fire, and about wanting a plan.

Life isn’t fair.

We know. That’s the point we’re making. Sometimes, life isn’t as simple as you make it out to be.

Figure it the fuck out.

We’re trying. And, frankly, if you don’t have any ideas of your own to contribute, kindly butt out.

bhull242 (profile) says:

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You’re literally arguing that some twat posting a video is more important than abandoning a platform that boosts Nazis and lies.

It’s not just “some twat”; it’s dozens of content creators and associated companies, along with fans. And it’s not their videos that we go to ExTwitter for; videos are almost entirely on YouTube and/or Twitch. ExTwitter is mostly text and images.

And yeah, I’m not willing to completely abandon a massive—but niche—community just to protest some assholes. Especially since this community is the only reason I ever used ExTwitter in the first place (besides, like, for bonuses in Angry Birds and stuff), so the vast majority of the value I place on the platform comes from that community.

I guess the world is already lost. Well done.. slow clap

You’re being overly dramatic. The world isn’t going to end just because ExTwitter is becoming a Nazi bar and the VTuber community and fanbase aren’t yet willing to abandon ship.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Look, it’d be great if everyone got on board with making accounts in several places, Masto instances and whatnot.

No one wants to willingly get arrested for being exposed to CSAM.

But when the obvious places are hoatile towards your hobbies, would it be smart to move?

And then you also have to convince at least three Japanese megacorps to do the big move as well.

We’re prepared for the exodus, for fuck’s sake.

Anonymous Coward says:

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No one wants to willingly get arrested for being exposed to CSAM.

But when the obvious places are hoatile towards your hobbies, would it be smart to move?

And then you also have to convince at least three Japanese megacorps to do the big move as well.

Did… did you just argue “we don’t want to be arrested for CSAM, but until these Japanese megacorps move, we’ll just have to take that risk”!?

Anonymous Coward says:

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Thanks for saying the quiet part loud.

Mike, Leigh, or anyone in the editorial team, I hope you are taking notes.

This is what happens when people with real problems present their problems to people who don’t care about these problems.

Thanks for reminding me how little humanity people have. And have a good day.

I guess racism and classism is alive and well after all.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Welcome to the network effect. What you and the asshole Dems are demanding that everyone fuck off and relocate into a hostile environment, destroying their social networks and rebuilding them in places that don’t even want them on in the first place.

All that, because everyone has to fall in line or else.

And it’s not just Vtubers. Go tell the academics they have to fuck off to Bluesky or the Dem Squad will force them onto the network and see what will happen.

These are real problems faced by real people concerning their real livelihoods. I’d expect at least a “That’s rough, buddy.” Not “comply or DIE”. That’s what I’m getting from a certain section of the Democratic voters right now.

This sort of shitty attitude, unfortunately, goes a very long way in explaining HOW the Ruspublicans managed to lie to their constituents for so long.

How’s the Linus Tech Tips Team’s Floatplane, btw?

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Youtube and Twitch generally disallow linking to other places unless it’s in very specific places, like in the About section.

You generally cannot post links in Youtube comments, and due to bot floods and hate raids, Twitch has several ways to block malicious links or posting of links in the chat.

Also, while most Vtubers (and content ceators) use either Youtube or Twitch, their MAIN social networks are in or on Twitter.

What some of you are demanding is that these content creators have to burn their bridges, insult their friends, and recreate these social networks in presumably hostile territory.

It’s not limited to Vtubers; even Ken White (le Popehat himself) knows this, and he’s the most famous lawyer I know of who used to be on Twitter.

And that’s the biggest Twitter ex-user I know of. Not many people have his stature and following. Or are as positively seen.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Read again:

There’s a lot of stuff that’s banned from being directly posted on social media, but those same platforms generally don’t prohibit linking to anything that isn’t illegal.

AC said nothing about posting links on YouTube or Twitch, they specifically spoke about posting links from YouTube and Twitch on social media sites. How do you get to the level of posting on Techdirt with such a low level of reading comprehension?

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Anonymous Coward says:

It feels telling that this is treated less like what it is (thousands of users being caught in an ideological crossfire) and more like someone coming in to pee in Musk’s personal pool. People cheer for the latter because they think the guy with the pool sucks (and he does), but they wind up ignoring the former in doing so. It feels like watching children having to take the brunt of their parents’ messy divorce.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Too many people want their problems to be simple and their solutions even simpler. They only have one head-slot for a villain, and it has to be binary – all good, or all bad. Once the villain slot is filled, the other side (no matter what) has to be the hero.

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31Bob (profile) says:

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It’s more along the lines of when someone does enough shitty things, bigoted things, asshole things, you stop giving 2 shits about them and frankly, why waste the energy parsing if the Nazi-Sympathizer, Right-Wing nutjob has a point “for realsies” this time?

No, you don’t because it’s likely just more fucking Nazis and even when it isn’t their still fucking Nazis.

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31Bob (profile) says:

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The same people that like Elon, like Trump, because they are the same bigoted moron that cannot be better. Everyone has a limit and these people’s limit is about 5th grade and pretty much zero critical thinking.

They see their sole path to betterment as bringing everyone else down to their level, then abusing them, so they can feel good about being garbage people.

The reason isn’t sensible, but it is human.

Source: History

Arianity says:

If Twitter was right to stand up to India when the Modi government made those demands, shouldn’t it stand up to Brazil when it makes similar demands?

I mean, the details matter, don’t they? You can be jailed here (in the US) for contempt of court or whatever, and that’s fine. It ultimately depends on whether that power is being abused or not. A state using the power of the state isn’t inherently good or bad.

If a company was asked about Jan6th evidence (like Twitter was), and refused (they did, initially), I wouldn’t feel bad if they were fined/jailed for contempt for not complying.

But, here’s the thing: as we’ve argued for years, standing up and fighting back against unjust laws is what standing up for free speech and civil liberties is all about.

The question is, is this unjust? I haven’t been following super closely, but I literally can’t tell. In the India case, it was pretty clearly ridiculous because they just wanted things they didn’t like removed.

The Indian government (like Moraes in Brazil) claimed at the time that the protests were threatening the stability of the Indian government.

It really depends on whether the details of the claim are true or not.

Even if you claim that Brazil is somehow not authoritarian, blessing these kinds of laws enables authoritarian countries to use similar laws in similarly problematic ways. Are you okay with Russia having the same law (it does)? Or India?

I don’t think you have to blindly agree that authoritarian countries should have the same powers as not authoritarian ones. There’s a lot of shit the US/EU do that I wouldn’t be comfortable with Russia doing. If you’re authoritarian, you lose some amount of deference/privilege.

(and to be clear, that’s not saying the US/EU are saints)

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Anonymous Coward says:

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… they just wanted things they didn’t like removed.

Don’t we all? CSAM. Terrorism. Threats. Fraud. Disinformation. The latest about Trump. LGBT points of view. The 2^219th through the 2^221st digits of pi. (Hey, there are a lot of math haters out there!)

If we liked the things, we wouldn’t ask for them to be removed. Ridiculous is a matter of perspective. Being consistent in free speech is hard, and sometimes forces you to stump for speech you, personally, hate.

Arianity says:

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Don’t we all? CSAM. Terrorism. Threats. Fraud. Disinformation. The latest about Trump. LGBT points of view. The 2^219th through the 2^221st digits of pi. (Hey, there are a lot of math haters out there!)

Ridiculous is a matter of perspective.

Absolutely, although that’s pretty unavoidable. At the end of the day, morality is subjective. Not much you can do about that.

We draw a line between what we consider it acceptable to remove/censor/compel. Not all content we don’t like is considered ok to remove. Some things are, some aren’t. And just because it’s subjective doesn’t mean we have to accept someone else’s perspective of what is across the line

Being consistent in free speech is hard, and sometimes forces you to stump for speech you, personally, hate.

It’s important to be consistent around speech, but you don’t have to be an absolutist to be consistent. The US has a high bar, but it isn’t absolutist around speech. We have no qualms about (for instance) removing CSAM and jailing the person.

There’s nothing inconsistent with holding India/Brazil to (roughly) the standard we use ourselves

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Marco Vinicius Teixeira Gomes (user link) says:

Brazil and India are very different and shouldn't be mixed like this

Your understanding of “free speech” is utterly unitedstatian, and Brazil is SOVEREIGN on OUR definition of free speech and liberty. This is a very common situation where people from and educated in the US think there’s only their definition of free speech (and there’s not).

We SHOULDN’T fight to “change” the law about having a local representative in the country, because IT IS A GOOD LAW (for our society). We can’t have companies doing business without someone to take legal responsibility for the company. Twitter has A LOT of illegal pictures, messages, harassment, and these should be taken DOWN and somebody should get the responsibility if it doesnt, or the entire company can’t operate in Brazilian society. That’s how we (the people) think about it and organized our laws in such way. Last year’s case was about DRUG LORDS and the info Justice requested was available and whatsapp didn’t want to give (metadata, not msg content).

Not every law is to taken down, many laws actually do their job and this is the case here.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Yeah, but the “legal representative to jail” law accomplishes nothing but having someone to jail. Generally someone from the country involved. This isn’t stopping the owners and management of the larger company from doing anything – especially if it’s a company on the trash end of the spectrum.

Maybe it feels good, i don’t know, but the result is nada, beside “Hue hue hue that dude that was hired to be a local representative is in jail”.

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Marco Gomes says:

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The objective is to take down ILLEGAL content and get the available information on the criminals (not to arrest people). Arresting the executive is a tool to get to the objective (a tool I don’t like, but this isn’t about me). When the local executive is arrested and the illegal content is >not< taken down, the entire company is suspended in Brazil (with the illegal content with it).

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Arresting the executive is a tool to get to the objective…

When all you have is a hammer, requiring that all companies put forth a nail is kind of strange, especially if the problem actually requires a wrench.

Arresting the executive was never going to be a solution, only an emotional or PR lever. A company that is willing to bring forth a sacrifice, and a willing, well paid sacrifice at that, is still not going to bend.

By analogy: Once you have put the journalist in jail, you don’t (in the US) have any further levers to force him to tell you who his sources are.

Marco Gomes says:

Re: Re: Re:2 Brazil is not the US and the US mindset can NOT be used here

Arresting the executive is a tool to get the company to comply, a tool I DON’T LIKE, but THIS ISN’T ABOUT ME. if event with the executive arrested the company doesn’t comply to the legal order, then the entire company is taken down. It HAS HAPPENED with Mercado Libre, with youTube BR in 2007, and YouTube was taken down entirely for a couple days, due to a SEX TAPE not being taken down (then they blocked the entire service until they comply to the order).

We can’t have companies operating in Brazil and doing illegal stuff. Our law says SEX TAPES should be taken down upon request, if they aren’t people should be responsible, deal with it.

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JMT (profile) says:

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So you’re okay with a Brazilian employee being thrown in jail as a pawn in a fight between a foreign country (who the employee has no control over) and the government (who the employee has no control over), and we should all just “deal with it”. Seems like the only person who has to deal with it is the innocent party sitting in jail with no control over the situation. How very authoritarian of you.

Marco Gomes says:

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It is NOT an employee being thrown in jail (and i’m AGAINST jailing, but this isn’t about my own political views), in this case the person is a business owner of a brazilian company (legal responsible for a “legal person”), it doesn’t matter if there’s a parent holding offshore, we’re in Brazil talking about conflicts amongst Brazilian people (legal person and real person).

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Anonymous Coward says:

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If a website does not adhere to the laws and policies of your country, said country is well within their rights to disallow said website from being visible within the country borders. Many countries presently do this.

If not having access to some website causes major problems within your country, that’s on you.

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Marco Gomes (user link) says:

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Bolsonaro CANNOT order content to be taken down (legally). This was a legal order from the SUPREME COURT due to ILLEGAL activity from the company; this isn’t a President’s executive order (which would be illegal). If Bolsonaro becomes a SUPREME COURT JUSTICE and write such order against me, I would have to accept it (if Bolsonaro ever becomes a a supreme court justice, I would probably flee the country, but AGAIN, this isn’t about me).

Marco Gomes says:

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“..Well, I was assuming that Bolsanaro would eventually come to power and replace all the judges with his cronies.”

Bolsonaro DID HOLD power as the president for 4 years, and couldn’t replace the supreme court with his cronies. Part of the institutions and part of the people resisted to the coup attempts (more than one during Bolsonaro’s ruling).

I understand many people from “the West” think otherwise of latin American countries, but this here is NO banana republic. Most of the times, institutions here are able to resist to coup attempts, especially if the US Gov doesn’t sabotage the country like they did with Brazil in 1964 and 2016.

Anonymous Coward says:

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My bad.

It was supposed to say “eventually, Bolsonaro comes back to power and replace all the judges with his cronies.”

And while it’s good you realize that arresting someone to force compliance is bad, you do need to realize that these laws need to be written to ensure that, at the bare minimum, there’s a paper trail to ensure the right people get indicted if abuses do come to light.

As long as you realize that these laws, should Bolsonaro and his goons return to power, will be used against you, that’s good.

You can’t expect people in power to NOT abuse said laws, no matter how good they seem to be.

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Anonymous Coward says:

The orders focused on supporters of former Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro, a very Trumpian figure. His supporters had tried to pull a similar “storming the Congress” kind of move in January of 2023

You could have just said “Bolsonaro attempted a fascist, dictatorial coup”. Why the euphemisms?

But, here’s the thing: as we’ve argued for years, standing up and fighting back against unjust laws is what standing up for free speech and civil liberties is all about.

“Unjust laws” are a matter of perspective. On Bluesky, a Brazilian user made a thread about how the constitution and laws allow Brazil to take these actions.

Over on Bluesky, you said:

I posted last night about why I thought both sides looked bad in Elon’s fight with Brazil, and a lot of people (especially in Brazil) didn’t like that.

I think that you should listen to Brazilians who live in and know the country, lived under Bolsonaro, and don’t want to see him or others like him make a return.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Hey, i am sooooo down with never ever hearing of Bolsonaro, his party, and his cronies ever again, unless it’s to be notified that they fell into a bottomless hole.
Oh, and also Elon. He can fall down a hole, too. Maybe first.

That said, acting the same way authoritarians act makes you also authoritarian. Not all court or other government demands on the platform were unreasonable, but it certainly escalated to very unreasonable very rapidly.

Sure everybody has laws. Even in the most enlightened countries, though, a great honking chunk of the law is garbage.

Anonymous Coward says:

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I believe that drawing a line of equivalence between Alexandre de Moraes wanting to hold fascists to account and following the laws of the country to do so, and Musk being a scumbag about the idea of helping a government tackle fascism that led to a literal coup attempt, and declaring that both sides are bad like Mike has, is an absurd and ignorant thing to do.

It comes of as if the only country whose laws on the Internet are good are the ones here in the U.S., and everyone else needs to bend the knee to the American way of doing things.

Anonymous Coward says:

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Brazil under Bolsonaro was very much equivalent to the US under Trump. And, if Elon were trying to stand up to Bolsonaro I would totally applaud that.
But, Moraes is now trying to go after the bad guys. And, just because Elon doesn’t believe they’re bad guys doesn’t really change the facts.

So, how do we allow Brazil (or other countries) to enforce legitimate laws against Elon obstructionism?
Under the circumstances they almost have to shut down ExTwitter. What other choice do they have?

Anonymous Coward says:

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If it’s me you’re aiming that comment at, then yes, I do live in a Nazi cesspool; it’s called Singapore and it’s been like this since the Republicans exported their NAZI IDEOLOGY to the world.

Don’t let the fucking well-cleaned streets, order and “prosperity” fool you, we can’t protest or even file challenges to our own Constitution. And our opposition parties have zero desire to challenge the incumbent on anything but the shit that doesn’t matter.

Oh, and Singapore absolutely censors speech it doesn’t like. Yes, the government doesn’t straight up jail its critics, they first bankrupt them through the courts, THEN force compliance.

So yes, I am clearly enjoying my fucking Nazi, sorry, CHINESE, cesspool.

Thank you for your non-action while my country became a Nazi cesspool.

That One Guy (profile) says:

Elon: By ‘I support free speech as defined by the law of the country’ what I meant was ‘I support speech I like, and will follow laws I like as well. Anything else can go rot because I’m rich and the rules don’t apply to me.’

I’m sure Elon will cave soon enough, with how badly Twitter is already doing he cannot afford to lose access to an entire country’s users, and since it’s not like he has any principles beyond ‘Whatever benefits me at the moment is good’ it would be entirely within character for him to quietly agree to do what he’s told after his tantrum is over.

Anonymous Coward says:

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I’m sure Elon will cave soon enough, with how badly Twitter is already doing he cannot afford to lose access to an entire country’s users

I’m not convinced Musk would “allow” Twitters needs to stomp so mercilessly on his ego.

it’s not like he has any principles beyond ‘Whatever benefits me at the moment is good’

I’m also not sure he measures benefits before taking action. It’s not that I think he wont flip (IIRC he’s flipped on lots of issues), but ascribing such…. “reasonable” motivations seems very misleading to me.

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Matt says:

You are the least qualified person to talk about this.

You have no idea what “free speech” is or is not. You have an irrational hatred of Musk and all your criticisms of him look petty. You have CONTINUOUSLY both denied and defended (openly hypocritical, the old ”we’re not doing it and anyway it’s a good thing”) 1A violations by the federal government.

I just came here to see if you’d acknowledge Zuckerberg admitting that the FBI and CDC very much pressured FB to remove content they didn’t want to remove, but no, of course you haven’t.

And pro tip, little law lesson for you: SCOTUS did not rule in favor of Biden in Murthy, it said that the states’ AGs did not have standing, which is a completely different thing. Yeah, I saw your article lying about that.

You’re a disgrace.

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bhull242 (profile) says:

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I just came here to see if you’d acknowledge Zuckerberg admitting that the FBI and CDC very much pressured FB to remove content they didn’t want to remove, but no, of course you haven’t.

Then what are you doing on this article? That was addressed in a separate article released prior to this one.

And pro tip, little law lesson for you: SCOTUS did not rule in favor of Biden in Murthy, it said that the states’ AGs did not have standing, which is a completely different thing.

It isn’t, actually. You just don’t understand it.

Yeah, I saw your article lying about that.

The article explicitly said that it ruled on standing, so it would appear the liar here is you.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2

Stop saying stupid shit and you’ll never see his copy pasta.

Not so, since he uses any and all excuses to post it (to the extent of receiving a ban from another website)> But kudos for defending your fellow ableist,* I guess.

*Birds of a feather flock together, as the saying goes.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

Did I defend him? No, I just pointed out that the easiest way to shut him up is to stop posting stupid shit and people who rather get their panties in a twist over it is no better to the people he responds to since they are only perpetuating the initial stupidity.

Aside from that, I find his copy pasta tiresome but I won’t ever loose any sleep over it.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:4

I just pointed out that the easiest way to shut him up is to stop posting stupid shit…

How to tell us you’re a liar without saying you’re a liar? It’s not just the commenters he posts that in response to that have to see it, you stupid fuck, so yes, you are indeed defending him, and in doing so, associating with him to the extent that you are seen as being of the same mind. Who’s getting their panties in a bunch now?

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:5

How to tell us you’re a liar without saying you’re a liar?

Oh, so me having an opinion about a situation makes me a liar? Shit man, you don’t know what a lie is, do you?

Who’s getting their panties in a bunch now?

You are, to the degree you had to call me both a liar and a “stupid fuck” which proves my point. Go touch grass or something, those panties wont untwist themselves without help.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Mike has clarified on Bluesky that he does not intend to interfere with countries’ sovreign rights to enforce their laws.

But, if you are being wilfully ignorant, de Moraes has threatened to ban VPNs just because Elon is abetting insurrectionist scumbags.

It is also worth noting that Mike has written about de Moraes before, and not in the three articles that Mike has specifically written regarding this asshat defender of denocracy.

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