No, Social Media Is Not The Same Thing As Lead Paint

from the for-fuck’s-sake-stop-it dept

A few months back I attended a workshop regarding keeping children on the internet safe, and at some point a debate broke out over whether social media was “more like” cigarettes or chocolate (i.e., obviously addictive and harmful or just a little unhealthy in large doses), and a long term trust & safety executive who was in the room told me it was driving them crazy, because it’s just not an analogy that works. Chocolate and cigarettes are things you literally consume in your body, and they have a clear, and pretty well understood, impact on your body.

Social media… is speech.

Speech can have an impact on people: it can motivate them, inspire them, scare them, etc. And sometimes those impacts can be negative. But speech alone is not something you metabolize. It does not change your body. It does not poison you.

It is not a toxin.

And that’s why it’s so frustrating that this analogy keeps popping up. The latest is from Ashwin Vasan, the Commission of the New York City Department of Health. He could be dealing with all sorts of actual health problems facing New Yorkers, but instead decided to pen a nonsense opinion piece falsely declaring social media the equivalent of known toxins.

The title gives away the game:

“We must treat social media like the toxin that it is”

He then uses his own children as the example of how social media is bad (which makes me wonder how his kids feel about being props here).

As a parent of three young children, I see every day how young people have been conditioned to reach for their for phones and devices. The fault lines of this tectonic shift are in my home, and homes like it throughout our nation.

Yes, parents having some control over their kids use of devices and online services is a challenge, but that’s way different than calling it a “toxin.” And, having spent plenty of time around adults, many of them seem to feel “conditioned to reach for their phones and devices” as well, and yet that’s somehow considered just fine, but with kids it’s somehow a problem?

Vasan then admits that social media might actually be good for some kids (while tons of studies actually show it’s good for way more kids than it’s bad for), but then immediately insists that social media is “uniquely harmful” to kids (which is not, actually, what any study has shown).

Real communities can form online, and virtual kinship can help young people explore the world and their own identities. It is clear that social media is now a part of our lives, and so all-out bans or prohibition is neither realistic nor advised. But the evidence is clear that unregulated, unfettered access to all kinds of social media and its content is uniquely harmful to children. Much as toys have package safety inserts for children and parents, we need information and protections for social media.

The link there to “uniquely harmful to children” is not any study that actually supports that claim. It’s to an NPR radio program in which some parents driven by a moral panic have pushed senators to pass legislation to “protect the children online.”

Except, again, all of the evidence suggests that this is wrong. The evidence says that social media is not super dangerous for most kids. It says that there are some kids who have trouble dealing with it, and attention should be paid to those kids. As the American Psychological Association just explained, the evidence simply does not support the narrative that social media is inherently or uniquely problematic. Instead, they recommend better media literacy and digital citizenship efforts in schools, to help those who do run into trouble how to avoid getting sucked in.

But Vasan buys into the narrative, and evidence be damned.

I mean, sure he has statistics, but they don’t say what he wants them to say:

Inaction has helped lead us into a youth mental health crisis. In 2021, 38 percent of NYC high schoolers reported feeling so sad or hopeless during the past 12 months that they stopped doing their usual activities — a rate that was significantly higher for Latino/a and Black students than their white peers.

A survey in 2021, you say? Gee… I wonder why might have happened in the preceding 12 months that might have had an impact on their mental health. What might have caused kids to feel sad and hopeless leading them to stop doing their usual activities? Vasan writes this and assumes you’ll all agree with him that it must be social media, when, for fuck’s sake, it was the damn pandemic. In the preceding 12 months, kids watched a global pandemic take over the world, taking them out of schools, getting people sick, killing loved ones, leading many to have parents who may have lost jobs, while mostly keeping them locked up in their homes to avoid contracting a deadly viral infection.

Indeed, social media was kind of a savior for many of those kids, in that it allowed them to actually continue to have something resembling a social life during the lockdown periods of the pandemic when NYC’s schools were shut down or totally remote.

But, no, to Vasan, it’s obvious that the problem was social media all along:

We must lay out strategies for how we’ll protect young people from the harms of social media. We must rework regulations and, where appropriate, hold companies accountable for the damage they continue to inflict.

Again, Pew and the American Psychological Association both released reports in the last year detailing how social media was actually more helpful to most kids, and noted that there was just a very small percentage who seemed to find social media problematic.

And, yes, sure, let’s work towards fixing those situations and helping those students. But to insist, flat out, that social media is harmful to kids, and that companies need to be “held accountable” because some kids use the internet for problematic purposes, is ridiculous.

And then Vasan closes out with the most ridiculous bit of them all, claiming that social media is no different than lead paint. Really.

Social media may be digital, but its effects can be just as damaging as tobacco, lead paint, or air pollution. One of the primary roles of public health has been to reduce exposure to these toxins through education and harm reduction, and sometimes through litigation, regulation and enforcement, thereby preventing disease, staving off suffering, and mitigating societal costs.

There is no reason to treat social media any differently.

No. Social media’s effects literally cannot be “just as damaging” as tobacco, lead paint, or air pollution. All three of those lead to actual poisons breaking down your body.

Words do not do that.

Again, throughout this I’ve been clear that some kids cannot handle social media, and we should look to help them, but anyone who insists that social media is the equivalent of lead paint does not know what the fuck they’re talking about, and should not be anywhere near a health department, let alone running one for the largest city in the US.

If you want to deal with the downsides of social media, you need rational people in charge. Not foolish people driven by evidence-free moral panics. Unfortunately, New York City has the latter.

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tatl says:

Re: you premise is detached from reality

when asked, addicts do not say ‘cocaine is okay’. you just assumed this and believed this because you have a preexisting belief about addicts.

asking group A about their beliefs on group B’s wellbeing is much less accurate than simply asking group B. your methodology is objectively a worse method of figuring out the truth of the matter.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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No Koby, the Internet was NOT significantly any better pre-Facebook.

4chan existed before Facebook or Myspace and it was not a nice place. Same with IRC servers, Usenet, email lists

And no, Koby, the 1950s were NOT an idyllic time no matter how much you want to believe it to be.

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Rocky says:

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Surveying teens about whether social media is beneficial is asking the least qualified segment of the population.

So…who do you propose we should ask about how teens actually perceive social media? Some third party who doesn’t have the teens perception of social media must surely be more qualified to answer, right?

When you ask those who have experienced both pre- and post- social media eras, you get significantly different results.

It is almost like it is entirely subjective dependent on what demographic you ask and what their prior experiences are. Imagine that…

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

Anyone who supports the right wing, even tangentially, is a closet child molester. That’s why we must replace them with drag queens. We’d all be better off for it, and far more fabulous to boot. Anyone who disagrees with this is a homophobe, which in turns means they must be a closet homosexual.

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tati says:

i mean, this is transparently about control. All these fake-ass grandstanding moral panics about ‘the kids’ being harmed by social media or LGBT representation are simply about shielding your kid from knowledge that might undermine your control over them.

the number one cause of death for children in america are guns. if you unironically believe “‘No Way To Prevent This,’” AND this isn’t your first priority, then it’s clear to everyone else you’re full of shit when you pretend to care about kids.

i think it’s fine and all to call out their bullshit arguments for the record, but they know it’s bullshit and we know it’s bullshit. you can’t wake up someone pretending to be asleep.

Anonymous Coward says:

And, having spent plenty of time around adults, many of them seem to feel “conditioned to reach for their phones and devices” as well, and yet that’s somehow considered just fine, but with kids it’s somehow a problem?

I can think of a number of toxic substances we treat that way, alcohol chief among them. Not to say you’re wrong or right, just that this point isn’t actually a point.

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Elfin (profile) says:

I haven’t finished the article, and:

“Always reaching for devices…”

I’m sick of this native. Got into a fight with a relative in the Midwest, “Kids are always on their phones…”

Consuming media.
Talking with friends and peers (social media or gasp texting).
Watching news that takes to their lives.
… &c

When I was young, we had land lines. The local $FemaleTeenUnits dominated those lines after school. When I raised one myself I had spare, fully charged batteries because she’d basically take my phone after I picked her up from school and she’d chatter with her friends who swiped thierparents phones (early 2ks) and now they’ve got their own phones.

The logical progression of handing a person a communications device, is they’re going to communicate.

I’m finish the article now.

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Elfin (profile) says:

Another one …

Parenting.

My parents made me buy my own land line ($23/month n the 80s, all long distance was on me, why I learned to hack PBXs) to get my modem off their line… they had never really knew what I did BBSing or exploring the pre-web Internet.

So I made damned sure I knew what my kids were doing. It’s called “Parenting”.

The idea that it’s difficult to know what your kids are doing online is a bald-faced lie (my router logs tell all and root on their devices is also useful).

You don’t administrate your child’s computer/tablet/phone? That’s just stupid.

You’re paying the damned bill.
This is your child. The code they run on their devices is Your issue. The time they spend online is your problem … not mine, and not the State’s (making it mine).

Ultimately the kids are fine doing what kids do … networking. Just a more robust medium with a longer reach.

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Anon says:

It's "Social".

Social media is simply social. In the days before internets, when there were no tubes (I remember then) teens still interacted – by talking, then by phone when they were allowed to tie up the line or have a private line. The problems then were the problems today. Sometimes socializing was good. Sometimes there were “bad influences”. Some people exercised good judgement, some did not. Those latter, we heard the most about. Kids in groups could be nasty to the non-conforming. Nothing has changed.

One documentary about some boys who were trouble – and two ended up murdering the third – the psychologist made a good point. Adolescence is all about learning to be a member of society. A century or more ago, teens didn’t get to sit in their basements all alone or play video games with friends. They had to eat meals with family, were roped into babysitting and helping provide for the family, had to sit in the livingroom evenings with parents and grandparents and hear about life.

Reading and chatting online replaces much of that. It’s good in expanding their circle of friends, teaching them more about the world and faster, even if they are not learning from their elders. They see more and more varied peers with this wide range. In that, they are better off than maybe kids in the 50’s through the 90’s, but still need more adult input. The world is not perfect. The medium is not toxic, it depends on the message they get. For that, they need to learn judgement, but it can’t be beaten into them.

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That Anonymous Coward (profile) says:

“As a parent of three young children, I see every day how young people have been conditioned to reach for their for phones and devices. The fault lines of this tectonic shift are in my home, and homes like it throughout our nation.”

Why did you let Meta give them phones & pay the bills?
Why did you not have rules & punishments for breaking those rules using the Meta phone?

“But the evidence is clear that unregulated, unfettered access to all kinds of social media and its content is uniquely harmful to children.”

If ONLY these poor children had some sort of adult who was charged with taking care of them, speaking with them, having dialogues about the issues (which might seem silly to the adult) bothering the child.

“We must lay out strategies for how we’ll protect young people from the harms of social media. We must rework regulations and, where appropriate, hold companies accountable for the damage they continue to inflict.”

We MUST NOT at any cost let parents think they might be the problem or adding to it, that watching mom going Karen over a mask mandate might have upset them and made them withdraw from people, that Dad spending more time screaming about 5G than asking if you need help with your homework is a problem, that they are sending money to a man (who admitted on fscking tape he had the top secret documents) to fight against the woke deep state conspiracy that only wants to make sure when their kids have sex (long before marriage) that their lack of sex education and ability to understand that even a little sperm can make a baby haven’t ruined their lives before they have a chance to try to be more than their parents ever were.

“There is no reason to treat social media any differently.”
Of course not, because you want to blame the deepest pockets so they are forced to solve societal problems that you can’t even bring yourself to mention for fear of what the Karens & Kyles of the world would scream at you for pointing out they are shitty parents.

Social media didn’t make me gay, it let me connect with other gay people who were invisible in my sphere.
Social media didn’t make me have secks, when I made the decision to have secks it was all me.
Social media didn’t hand me to predators.
Social media gave me a global ‘family’ for when my own fell short of what I needed.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Social media didn’t make me gay, it let me connect with other gay people who were invisible in my sphere.

An attack on social media is an attack on gay people.

Never forget that the right wings are lurking around every corner, wanting to make it such that you can’t shove your dick into another man’s anus anymore.

Never again. Pride Month isn’t just for one month. It’s for an entire year. Every year, where possible.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

Sure you want to make that argument?

Alright, let’s run with that argument for a moment then shall we?

If social media is the equivalent of cigarettes and lead paint then it sure seems to me that the first group of people that should be blamed are the parents that enable it’s access. The ones who buy their kids social-media capable phones, the ones who pay for internet access and put no restrictions on it, the ones who can’t be bothered to be parents and talk to their kids about what they might find online and how to handle it.

If you saw a parent buying their kid cigarettes would you blame the seller or would the first person criticism was aimed at be that parent?

If you saw a parent indifferently looking on as their kid scarfed down lead paint chips like candy because they had ‘more important things to do’ would they deserve a Parent of The Year award?

If social media is the latest and greatest drug then it’s the people who are best in a position to restrict it’s access to what is claimed to be uniquely dangerous to children but aren’t that deserve the most criticism, yet strangely ‘Hey maybe parents deserve to be called out for being enablers?’ never seems to come up in these alternative-facts fearmongering screeds…

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