The LDS Church Opposes ‘Bad Mormon’ Trademark Application Over ‘Tarnishment’ Concerns

from the holy-shit dept

The Church of Latter Day Saints has made it onto our pages before for trying to abuse intellectual property laws, typically to keep content out of the public eye that it finds undesirable. I do like to note in posts like this that the LDS Church has also occasionally been quite lenient when it comes to responding to critiques or commentary as well. You may have heard of a wildly popular Broadway musical, for instance.

But it appears that the Church is back to its overly aggressive IP ways. Heather Gay appeared on The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Since being on the show, she has written a book and titled it “Bad Mormon.” She also applied for a trademark on the term to cover merchandise and other goods, which has resulted in the LDS Church opposing her application, claiming it will tarnish the church’s good name.

Her application with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office is opposed by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which holds trademarks with the office for the terms Mormon, Book of Mormon, Mormon Channel, Mormon Messages, Mormon.org and the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.

“Because of the deceptive nature of the mark sought to be registered by (Gay), (the church) and the goodwill symbolized by its Mormon marks will be damaged in a cognizable way and registration of applicant’s alleged mark should be denied,” wrote the church’s attorney, Michael A. Grow, who specializes in intellectual property law at the Washington, D.C., law firm ArentFox Schiff.

I’ll note that the Church is not attempting to prevent Gay from using the term as the title of her book. It is, however, trying to block its use on any of the other merch goods that Gay applied for.

Now, it is doing all of this by wielding its trademark on the term “Mormon” and claiming that Gay’s trademark, were it to be approved, would denigrate and tarnish the Church’s mark. That is simply absurd. There is nothing about Gay’s term that causes anyone to think the LDS Church is “bad.” In fact, the term literally does the opposite: it denotes that Gay is bad at being a Mormon.

The church filing said that because “Bad Mormon” is virtually identical to the church’s Mormon marks, it would dilute their distinctive quality, deprive the church of the ability to protect its reputation, persona and goodwill and make it more difficult to distinguish the church’s marks, goods and services.

“Applicant’s mark was adopted with an intent to cause confusion, tarnishment and dilution and to falsely suggest a connection or affiliation with or approval or endorsement by opposer or the church,” the filing stated.

Virtually none of that is true, though it’s worth noting that the LDS Church has managed to successfully oppose similar marks in the past. Here’s hoping the Trademark Office sees past the nonsense this time.

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That One Guy (profile) says:

'Being a good person makes you a bad mormon so- wait, I just heard it.'

The only way I could see ‘the title of this book about how they are bad at our religion tarnishes it’s reputation’ as even remotely coherent is if the book is about what a good person the author is and how that’s against the church’s teachings, which would be quite the own-goal on the part of the church and it’s lawyers.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3

No, not really. BDAC refers to a copyright law simp who took offense at another poster’s description of Bayside Advisory as “copyright law’s best and brightest”. Because just like the right-wing cheerleading squad you’re in, the entire task force seems to be staffed by complete and utter idiots.

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Valis (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:5 Wow, racism and misogyny one after the other!

“3rd world” is an incredibly racist and patronising term. We are the developing world. Also, we are far more educated and literate than all US Americans. Calling us stupid and illiterate is incredibly racist and insulting and egocentric.

As for your disgusting misogyny towards sex workers, you’re a real nasty piece of work. Disgusting, you should be ashamed of yourself 🙁

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:6

And they proved why they are 3rd world.

Only the 3rd world uses inferior vocabulary.

Its still the era of big data, so the data points will be more than obvious.

Though, did you notice that wolfram alpha was never mentioned in all of the GPT hype? Its still the era of big data.

Classifying posts as “just another inferior crackwhore indoctronated in hate” is easy. There are no inferior emotions on wolfram alpha. Just the accumulation of interesting data.

Did you notice how the 3rd world only talks about cesspool emotions?

0=0+0

You can verify that yourself.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:6

The other problem with “third world” is that it has been misused since forever – it referred to a place that wasn’t particularly aligned with the hegemons of “democracy” or “communism”, i.e., the US and the USSR specifically. The fact that many of those countries were “developing” (people couldn’t possibly choose not to be industrialized, could they?) is more of a side note. Including the fact that many “developing” nations were, in fact, aligned with one or the other, and there were other nations (e.g., China), which fit into the hegemonic class.

But screw the league of non-aligned worlds, right? They don’t qualify as real people, at least not to people who matter.

Yeap, that one is bad, and should feel bad. But they won’t, because they can’t.

Samuel Abram (profile) says:

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Just so you know, I don’t hate the Religious Society of Friends. Also, I hold the Northern Baptists, Episcopalians, and all the other denominations that accept LGBTQ+ people in high regard. Besides, you could be a member of a “good” religion and be a bad person and vice versa (Richard Nixon was a Quaker, after all). It’s really a matter of the person than their religion.

That being said, it’s not like someone like you would get that…

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Anonymous Coward says:

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this is very straightforward patent law

It’s not patent law at all. It’s trademark law.

nothing is “overreach” about it

The point of a trademark is not to have absolute control over the use of a word or phrase. (The NFL is really bad about that, for example.) If putting “Bad Mormon” on a book doesn’t make people think the book is endorsed by or affiliated with the church, then why would putting the term on a T-Shirt?

Anathema Device (profile) says:

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And a trademark doesn’t protect a term – it protects the expression of a term. They can’t go after her just for using the word ‘Mormon’ – it has to look like the way the LDS use it enough that people could be confused it was an official LDS book.

I dare say friendly judges in Utah might support it, but I doubt it would get past even this SCOTUS.

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That Anonymous Coward (profile) says:

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“and hate churches just because”

Yes groups that regularly cover up the sexual abuse of CHILDREN tend to be on my shit list, especially when they hold themselves out as somehow morally superior to the rest of us heathens.

They ignore polygamy, they ignore leaders raping children, they do NOTHING to help all of the young men thrown out of “church” so they won’t compete with the sick old men who need 25 wives under 18.

The dumped money into keeping other citizens from having the same rights they enjoy & abuse.

Perhaps you need to look into your reasons why you are willing to defend religions even as evidence of their sins is laid bare before you over and over.

Dude arrested for diddling kids, not a drag queen but a pastor/preacher and the church cares more about hiding the scandal and praying for the childfscker than the child…

You hoping to show the world how much you believe so you can become a youth pastor?

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That Anonymous Coward (profile) says:

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Cokesucks.com would like to offer you a swift kick to the ass.

They aren’t right on the merits, they are trying to use their status as a religion to obtain protections not offered to others because they are special.

You keep bringing up how much I hate them rather than address the idea you might be incorrect & for all of my hatred I might be right.

Its not a patent.

You’re wrong, you refuse to accept that’s even a possibility because you made up your mind and full speed ahead.

Anonymous Coward says:

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What does it mean to “Control Trademarks on Mormon”?

Do you mean anything that includes those letters? .. wtf?

Trademark is supposed to protect the consumer against scam operations attempting to use the “good name” of some other person/company in order to sell their usually inferior product.

You guys are so .. “super liberal and hate churches”
AKA: living in the real world and not in a cult

“this is very straightforward patent law”
Holdup, I thought you said it was ” reasonable that the Mormon church should control Trademark’s on “Mormon”.”
So – which is it now? Trademark or Patent?

As usual you look sort of confused.

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Anonymous Coward says:

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It seems reasonable that the Mormon church should control Trademark’s on “Mormon”.

Why, because people like you are too fucking stupid to realize the difference between “Bad Mormon” and “Mormon”?

I get you guys are super liberal and hate churches just because

I don’t hate churches, I hate people trying to tell me that their fairy person that lives in the sky must dictate how I live my life according to their “beliefs”.

If Jesus came back today, a refugee with brown skin and didn’t speak english, all of you conservative republicans would want him either killed for daring to enter our country, or just deported to “where he came from”. Or you’d use your 2A rights and just try and shoot him yourself.

That One Guy (profile) says:

Re: Re: 'He can't be the messiah, he's not white!'

If Jesus came back today, a refugee with brown skin and didn’t speak english, all of you conservative republicans would want him either killed for daring to enter our country, or just deported to “where he came from”. Or you’d use your 2A rights and just try and shoot him yourself.

That would certainly make for a dark humor short story where it turns out Jesus did come back but his biggest (self-proclaimed) fans slandered him as a filthy liberal for daring to suggest that caring about people more than money is a good idea until finally one of the more deranged ones killed him for being a blaspheming heretic.

Anonymous Coward says:

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This is why nobody should have a problem with insulting religious people until they cave.

The ones who are actually Jesus will gladly nail themselves to crosses and let you be.

The ones who don’t meet that standard can be accused of theft, pedophilia and bigotry and literally nobody will bat an eyelid.

Bring down their corrupt structures of power and return this world to its truly diverse, fabulous destiny so we can progress as a global species.

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Anonymous Coward says:

No?

There’s no reason one would confuse “Bad Mormon” with “Mormon” any more than one would confuse “Bad Dragon” with “Dragon.” The distinction is pretty clear, unless as others have said being a “Bad Mormon” is somehow an objectively good thing.

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Anonymous Coward says:

In the 21st century, English comprehension makes this easy.

Q: Do you have a master?

We all know that individuals are entitled to their own beliefs in America.

The denominations probably indicate that there are reasonable individuals that understand personal freedoms… And then there are those that don’t.

And having a master is bad form nowadays in the free world when they try to “give it away” as an emotion.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2

I might be mistaking Mormonism with what passes for Christianity in America. (Which is exported to the rest of the world)

hard to tell nowadays, what with the Republican party actually having such faithful adherents like Trump and if anyone criticizes Trump, we get shitheels like Matthew Bennett popping out of the woodwork.

I’ve been taught that Christians HAVE to defend the faith regardless and taht apologetics, no matter how rudimentary, is the job of EVERY Christian.

I apologize if I’m assuming that Mormons operate under a similar framework.

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paulalanlevy (profile) says:

Why should she be able to prevent OTHERS from using Bad Mormon?

As much as I am inclined to think the LDS argument are BS, let’s not forget that the reason she wants to get the trademark is so that she can stop OTHER people from using the slogan Bad Mormon. She doesn’t need a registered trademark to use that slogan on her own material.

Why should she get the exclusive right to that phrase?

Isn’t this Eat More Kale all over again?

https://pubcit.typepad.com/clpblog/2011/12/chik-fil-a-and-eat-more-kale-a-pox-on-both-your-houses.html

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Anonymous Coward says:

1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them – bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.

https://www.bibleserver.com/NIV/2%20Peter2%3A1-3

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Anonymous Coward says:

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Each day prepare your bread as you would barley cakes. While all the people are watching, bake it over a fire using dried human dung as fuel and then eat the bread. For this is what the LORD says: Israel will eat defiled bread in the Gentile lands, where I will banish them!” Then I said, “O Sovereign LORD, must I be defiled by using human dung? For I have never been defiled before. From the time I was a child until now I have never eaten any animal that died of sickness or that I found dead. And I have never eaten any of the animals that our laws forbid.” “All right,” the LORD said. “You may bake your bread with cow dung instead of human dung.” (Ezekiel 4:12-15 NLT)

Michael Grimes (user link) says:

Bad Mormon

Mormon is a unique trademark and the term only pertains to the aspects of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. There is no other common use of the term and the word Mormon cannot be logically divorced from the LDS Church.

Bad Mormon is a descriptive trademark. If a similar mark, such as Bad Disney, Bad Microsoft or Bad Google were applied for, it would either not be granted or would be immediately challenged.

I have no problem with descriptive marks, so long as they do not contain a component that is in common usage and already marked by a recognized company.

HotHead says:

Only someone on LSD would be convinced by the LDS Church's tarnishment claim

If “Bad Mormon” tarnishes the LDS Church then “Bad Apple” tarnishes Apple. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m gonna listen to a song or two. On my Android phone. And maybe eat an apple while I’m at it.

Next, someone named Ray Bradbury’s gonna tell me that the song Bad Guy tarnishes Five Guys and Guy Montag (from the hit book I’m So Hot or something like that).

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