The LDS Church Opposes ‘Bad Mormon’ Trademark Application Over ‘Tarnishment’ Concerns
from the holy-shit dept
The Church of Latter Day Saints has made it onto our pages before for trying to abuse intellectual property laws, typically to keep content out of the public eye that it finds undesirable. I do like to note in posts like this that the LDS Church has also occasionally been quite lenient when it comes to responding to critiques or commentary as well. You may have heard of a wildly popular Broadway musical, for instance.
But it appears that the Church is back to its overly aggressive IP ways. Heather Gay appeared on The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. Since being on the show, she has written a book and titled it “Bad Mormon.” She also applied for a trademark on the term to cover merchandise and other goods, which has resulted in the LDS Church opposing her application, claiming it will tarnish the church’s good name.
Her application with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office is opposed by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which holds trademarks with the office for the terms Mormon, Book of Mormon, Mormon Channel, Mormon Messages, Mormon.org and the Mormon Tabernacle Choir.
“Because of the deceptive nature of the mark sought to be registered by (Gay), (the church) and the goodwill symbolized by its Mormon marks will be damaged in a cognizable way and registration of applicant’s alleged mark should be denied,” wrote the church’s attorney, Michael A. Grow, who specializes in intellectual property law at the Washington, D.C., law firm ArentFox Schiff.
I’ll note that the Church is not attempting to prevent Gay from using the term as the title of her book. It is, however, trying to block its use on any of the other merch goods that Gay applied for.
Now, it is doing all of this by wielding its trademark on the term “Mormon” and claiming that Gay’s trademark, were it to be approved, would denigrate and tarnish the Church’s mark. That is simply absurd. There is nothing about Gay’s term that causes anyone to think the LDS Church is “bad.” In fact, the term literally does the opposite: it denotes that Gay is bad at being a Mormon.
The church filing said that because “Bad Mormon” is virtually identical to the church’s Mormon marks, it would dilute their distinctive quality, deprive the church of the ability to protect its reputation, persona and goodwill and make it more difficult to distinguish the church’s marks, goods and services.
“Applicant’s mark was adopted with an intent to cause confusion, tarnishment and dilution and to falsely suggest a connection or affiliation with or approval or endorsement by opposer or the church,” the filing stated.
Virtually none of that is true, though it’s worth noting that the LDS Church has managed to successfully oppose similar marks in the past. Here’s hoping the Trademark Office sees past the nonsense this time.
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Comments on “The LDS Church Opposes ‘Bad Mormon’ Trademark Application Over ‘Tarnishment’ Concerns”
I need to stop you right there, I’ve heard this one before. My sides are starting to split here, let me go take a dose of laughter-reducing medication before you go on, please.
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I know, I first read the headline as “LSD church”. That would make it a bit more understandable.
'Being a good person makes you a bad mormon so- wait, I just heard it.'
The only way I could see ‘the title of this book about how they are bad at our religion tarnishes it’s reputation’ as even remotely coherent is if the book is about what a good person the author is and how that’s against the church’s teachings, which would be quite the own-goal on the part of the church and it’s lawyers.
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It seems reasonable that the Mormon church should control Trademark's on "Mormon".
I get you guys are super liberal and hate churches just because, but this is very straightforward patent law and nothing is “overreach” about it. As you mentioned it doesn’t change the book’s title.
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…said nobody not on hallucinogens, ever.
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I always laugh at the culture divide.
You always say stupid shit.
Matthew can have his own views. You don’t have any views.
It must suck to be you.
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Ho hum, BDAC remains unable as ever to do more than project.
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You’re literally just saying random shit, completely meaningless.
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No, not really. BDAC refers to a copyright law simp who took offense at another poster’s description of Bayside Advisory as “copyright law’s best and brightest”. Because just like the right-wing cheerleading squad you’re in, the entire task force seems to be staffed by complete and utter idiots.
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Lol. Another casualty of deformed emotion ignorance.
The digital slums always speak broken english. Thats a signature of mental illness.
Only the 3rd world speaks like that.
A crackwhore is a crackwhore.
Re: Re: Re:5 Wow, racism and misogyny one after the other!
“3rd world” is an incredibly racist and patronising term. We are the developing world. Also, we are far more educated and literate than all US Americans. Calling us stupid and illiterate is incredibly racist and insulting and egocentric.
As for your disgusting misogyny towards sex workers, you’re a real nasty piece of work. Disgusting, you should be ashamed of yourself 🙁
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And they proved why they are 3rd world.
Only the 3rd world uses inferior vocabulary.
Its still the era of big data, so the data points will be more than obvious.
Though, did you notice that wolfram alpha was never mentioned in all of the GPT hype? Its still the era of big data.
Classifying posts as “just another inferior crackwhore indoctronated in hate” is easy. There are no inferior emotions on wolfram alpha. Just the accumulation of interesting data.
Did you notice how the 3rd world only talks about cesspool emotions?
0=0+0
You can verify that yourself.
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This is an easy site for statistical analysis of vocabulary trends.
Notice how the 3rd world always adds mental illness statements to everything they say.
Its easy to laugh at. People like that serve no purpose.
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The other problem with “third world” is that it has been misused since forever – it referred to a place that wasn’t particularly aligned with the hegemons of “democracy” or “communism”, i.e., the US and the USSR specifically. The fact that many of those countries were “developing” (people couldn’t possibly choose not to be industrialized, could they?) is more of a side note. Including the fact that many “developing” nations were, in fact, aligned with one or the other, and there were other nations (e.g., China), which fit into the hegemonic class.
But screw the league of non-aligned worlds, right? They don’t qualify as real people, at least not to people who matter.
Yeap, that one is bad, and should feel bad. But they won’t, because they can’t.
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Just so you know, I don’t hate the Religious Society of Friends. Also, I hold the Northern Baptists, Episcopalians, and all the other denominations that accept LGBTQ+ people in high regard. Besides, you could be a member of a “good” religion and be a bad person and vice versa (Richard Nixon was a Quaker, after all). It’s really a matter of the person than their religion.
That being said, it’s not like someone like you would get that…
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yeah, you fucking fool, stop projecting. I’m not religious, and give no fucks about churches you find “acceptable” or not.
It’s just a very straight forward application of trademark law. But Geightner is making it sound like it isn’t presumably just cuz he hates them.
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You must really enjoy making shit up.
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You aren’t smart enough to know, honestly.
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And yet your fictions are completely transparent. Weird, huh?
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Its that unique blend of fake emotions, hate and mental illness that let you know a crackwhore infestation is a cesspool.
Thanks for making it easy to ignore!
They were not individuals and do not even speak like it.
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It’s not patent law at all. It’s trademark law.
The point of a trademark is not to have absolute control over the use of a word or phrase. (The NFL is really bad about that, for example.) If putting “Bad Mormon” on a book doesn’t make people think the book is endorsed by or affiliated with the church, then why would putting the term on a T-Shirt?
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And a trademark doesn’t protect a term – it protects the expression of a term. They can’t go after her just for using the word ‘Mormon’ – it has to look like the way the LDS use it enough that people could be confused it was an official LDS book.
I dare say friendly judges in Utah might support it, but I doubt it would get past even this SCOTUS.
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…they didn’t, tho. They just didn’t want her trademarking it.
Again, this is pretty straightforward, nothing weird about it.
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I only read the summary, but it sounds like they’re opposing on grounds of tarnishment, not confusion.
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but I doubt it would get past even this SCOTUS.
I would have to disagree with you there 🙂
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What are you going to do about it, sky friend dumbass?
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this is why I think you people are, collectively, retards. I said nothing about me being religious (and I’m not). I actually think the mormon church is NUTS.
Still a very straight forward bit of trademark law.
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You’re right, the PTO should give Gay the trademark right away. 🙂
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Get fucked theist.
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“and hate churches just because”
Yes groups that regularly cover up the sexual abuse of CHILDREN tend to be on my shit list, especially when they hold themselves out as somehow morally superior to the rest of us heathens.
They ignore polygamy, they ignore leaders raping children, they do NOTHING to help all of the young men thrown out of “church” so they won’t compete with the sick old men who need 25 wives under 18.
The dumped money into keeping other citizens from having the same rights they enjoy & abuse.
Perhaps you need to look into your reasons why you are willing to defend religions even as evidence of their sins is laid bare before you over and over.
Dude arrested for diddling kids, not a drag queen but a pastor/preacher and the church cares more about hiding the scandal and praying for the childfscker than the child…
You hoping to show the world how much you believe so you can become a youth pastor?
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Yeah, I really don’t give a fuck.
….sigh. I’m “defending” them because they’re right on the merits, you moron.
That’s kinda my whole point, you hating them does not change trademark law.
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Cokesucks.com would like to offer you a swift kick to the ass.
They aren’t right on the merits, they are trying to use their status as a religion to obtain protections not offered to others because they are special.
You keep bringing up how much I hate them rather than address the idea you might be incorrect & for all of my hatred I might be right.
Its not a patent.
You’re wrong, you refuse to accept that’s even a possibility because you made up your mind and full speed ahead.
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What does it mean to “Control Trademarks on Mormon”?
Do you mean anything that includes those letters? .. wtf?
Trademark is supposed to protect the consumer against scam operations attempting to use the “good name” of some other person/company in order to sell their usually inferior product.
You guys are so .. “super liberal and hate churches”
AKA: living in the real world and not in a cult
“this is very straightforward patent law”
Holdup, I thought you said it was ” reasonable that the Mormon church should control Trademark’s on “Mormon”.”
So – which is it now? Trademark or Patent?
As usual you look sort of confused.
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Why, because people like you are too fucking stupid to realize the difference between “Bad Mormon” and “Mormon”?
I don’t hate churches, I hate people trying to tell me that their fairy person that lives in the sky must dictate how I live my life according to their “beliefs”.
If Jesus came back today, a refugee with brown skin and didn’t speak english, all of you conservative republicans would want him either killed for daring to enter our country, or just deported to “where he came from”. Or you’d use your 2A rights and just try and shoot him yourself.
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If Jesus came back today, a refugee with brown skin and didn’t speak english, all of you conservative republicans would want him either killed for daring to enter our country, or just deported to “where he came from”. Or you’d use your 2A rights and just try and shoot him yourself.
That would certainly make for a dark humor short story where it turns out Jesus did come back but his biggest (self-proclaimed) fans slandered him as a filthy liberal for daring to suggest that caring about people more than money is a good idea until finally one of the more deranged ones killed him for being a blaspheming heretic.
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This is why nobody should have a problem with insulting religious people until they cave.
The ones who are actually Jesus will gladly nail themselves to crosses and let you be.
The ones who don’t meet that standard can be accused of theft, pedophilia and bigotry and literally nobody will bat an eyelid.
Bring down their corrupt structures of power and return this world to its truly diverse, fabulous destiny so we can progress as a global species.
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No, it isn’t. There are no patents involved whatsoever. This is about trademark law.
And yet, the Church is trying to get the members to stop referring as Mormons even though it is the most recognizable term. Go figure.
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“Mormon” isn’t even a slur, so I don’t understand why the Church of Jesus Christ and Latter-Day Saints would do this…
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Trying to hide their true natures by adding an extra ‘m’ to the middle of it.
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Because the leadership wants to emphasize the name of Jesus Christ, perhaps at least in part due to the impression among some that it is not a Christian church.
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Quite possibly. I’m pretty much a “jack-mormon”. Still a member but really don’t go and pretty apathetic about it. I know under the Gordon B. Hinckley presidency, they embraced it and tried to turn it into something positive. It is just under this current regime; they are working hard to pivot away from it.
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The primary reason for that impression being that it is a non-Nicene church that asserts that humans can become gods in the afterlife.
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Except that it is the Church of Jesus Christ of Later-day Saints not “the Church of Jesus Christ and Latter-Day Saints”
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Ah. My mistake!
No?
There’s no reason one would confuse “Bad Mormon” with “Mormon” any more than one would confuse “Bad Dragon” with “Dragon.” The distinction is pretty clear, unless as others have said being a “Bad Mormon” is somehow an objectively good thing.
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No one would confuse “Bad Dragon” with “Dragons”, unless you’re a Furry who’s into… never mind.
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This is probably the weirdest place to be reminded that there is a community where they love dragons and cars doing… things…
Yes, that one subreddit exists. No, I will not say the name.
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I’m pretty sure r/the_donald was banned a while back, so it’s okay to say that now.
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No, actually, it’s r/dragonsfuckingcars.
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That is a surprisingly straightforward title for a kink subreddit, particularly such a niche one.
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Aww that’s so sweet… you think there is only one.
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I was specifically referring to a kink subreddit, not alt-right Reddit and their dishonorable existences.
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Not all kink subreddits are clearly labelled like that one.
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In the 21st century, English comprehension makes this easy.
Q: Do you have a master?
We all know that individuals are entitled to their own beliefs in America.
The denominations probably indicate that there are reasonable individuals that understand personal freedoms… And then there are those that don’t.
And having a master is bad form nowadays in the free world when they try to “give it away” as an emotion.
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That is a valid queation in the 21st century.
Do you have a master?
It is a clear yes or no response.
How do you be a bad Mormon?
Don’t be one.
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Seems more like the opposite.
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Being a good Mormon does mean you defend the Church of the Latter-Day Saints from any and all criticism, warranted or not.
Which includes denying the sexual abuse, supporting all the bullshit their Reps and Senators do, including a little light treason.
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Where did you get that?
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I might be mistaking Mormonism with what passes for Christianity in America. (Which is exported to the rest of the world)
hard to tell nowadays, what with the Republican party actually having such faithful adherents like Trump and if anyone criticizes Trump, we get shitheels like Matthew Bennett popping out of the woodwork.
I’ve been taught that Christians HAVE to defend the faith regardless and taht apologetics, no matter how rudimentary, is the job of EVERY Christian.
I apologize if I’m assuming that Mormons operate under a similar framework.
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But everyone is a Mormon…
Or am I the only one who remembers that the Church kept adding dead people to their “church”??
I guess the dead can’t object to being baptized mormon after their death… just ask Anne Frank… she got dunked a lot of times.
And then there was...
The police union getting in conflict with a mobile phone manufacturer because they wanted to be the “Bad Apples”.
Why should she be able to prevent OTHERS from using Bad Mormon?
As much as I am inclined to think the LDS argument are BS, let’s not forget that the reason she wants to get the trademark is so that she can stop OTHER people from using the slogan Bad Mormon. She doesn’t need a registered trademark to use that slogan on her own material.
Why should she get the exclusive right to that phrase?
Isn’t this Eat More Kale all over again?
https://pubcit.typepad.com/clpblog/2011/12/chik-fil-a-and-eat-more-kale-a-pox-on-both-your-houses.html
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Yeah, this was sort of my thinking as well. Yes, she wants to use it on products that refer to her work of the eponymous title, but it’s a pretty generic phrase that shouldn’t be removed from the language-pool so no one else prints a shirt with the phrase on it.
Not that the LDS argument is any good.
Wow, I first misread that title as “The LSD Church …”
Silly me confusing a body full of scatter-brained hallucinating people with the LSD Church.
The Slants would like to have a word.
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1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them – bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their depraved conduct and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with fabricated stories. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping.
https://www.bibleserver.com/NIV/2%20Peter2%3A1-3
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Each day prepare your bread as you would barley cakes. While all the people are watching, bake it over a fire using dried human dung as fuel and then eat the bread. For this is what the LORD says: Israel will eat defiled bread in the Gentile lands, where I will banish them!” Then I said, “O Sovereign LORD, must I be defiled by using human dung? For I have never been defiled before. From the time I was a child until now I have never eaten any animal that died of sickness or that I found dead. And I have never eaten any of the animals that our laws forbid.” “All right,” the LORD said. “You may bake your bread with cow dung instead of human dung.” (Ezekiel 4:12-15 NLT)
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What does your comment have to do with the flagged comment? Besides, using dung as burning material seems rather clever to me, especially if better material is scarce.
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I reply to every biblical quote with an example of one where god is a vindictive, sadistic, or otherwise malevolent piece of shit.
And I’m not sure about the genius of eating bread that’s been baked over a constant flame of shit. But you be you.
Bad Mormon
Mormon is a unique trademark and the term only pertains to the aspects of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. There is no other common use of the term and the word Mormon cannot be logically divorced from the LDS Church.
Bad Mormon is a descriptive trademark. If a similar mark, such as Bad Disney, Bad Microsoft or Bad Google were applied for, it would either not be granted or would be immediately challenged.
I have no problem with descriptive marks, so long as they do not contain a component that is in common usage and already marked by a recognized company.
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Odd thing ’bout the word “Mormon”. Common usage has it describing a religion, AND adherents to that religion. “Disney”, “Google” etc each refer to the company itself in common usage.
Your_analogy.sucks
I was extremely disappointed to find that this article wasn’t about a craft beer name.
Only someone on LSD would be convinced by the LDS Church's tarnishment claim
If “Bad Mormon” tarnishes the LDS Church then “Bad Apple” tarnishes Apple. Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m gonna listen to a song or two. On my Android phone. And maybe eat an apple while I’m at it.
Next, someone named Ray Bradbury’s gonna tell me that the song Bad Guy tarnishes Five Guys and Guy Montag (from the hit book I’m So Hot or something like that).
The church filing said that because “Bad Mormon” is virtually identical to the church’s Mormon marks
Sounds like your own identification problem.
Making Mad is a religious “crime drama television series” featuring Malter Mhite’s and Messe Minkman’s pastor Maul Mormon, all embroiled in a Caith-wide LSD manufacturing and distribution scandal.
(This is edited from the first two paragraphs from the linked Wikipedia page.)
Re: Imagine ruining your own joke. I would never. (I did)
Original commenter here. I meant to say “Church-wide” instead of “Caith-wide”, but I accidentally forgot to change the other letters in “faith-wide”
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