DoNotPay Promotes Itself As Helping You Get Out Of Subscriptions, But Keeps Charging Customers After Telling Them Their Own Accounts Are Closed
from the well,-look-at-that dept
We’ve been writing a bunch lately about DoNotPay, the massively hyped up “AI lawyer” run by Stanford dropout* Joshua Browder. Again, the company has received a ton of publicity regarding its “robot lawyer,” often from some of the publicity stunts that Browder pulls. Again, I think the underlying concept of using technology to help people solve problems is a good one. And that can include helping them to get better access to useful information that was, historically, kept behind expensive legal gates.
But throughout this saga, it’s becoming clearer and clearer that DoNotPay is smoke and mirrors, and very little is legitimate. Even Browder’s publicity stunts appear to be nonsense.
Still, as we keep pointing out, some of the fundamental services it claims to provide sound like they could be useful: for example, helping you cancel subscription services that companies don’t want you to cancel. We all know about these experiences. Companies make it easy to sign up, but impossible to cancel. DoNotPay is frequently lauded for helping users cancel such subscriptions. It brags about this service on its website.

That page has a long list of ridiculously poorly written “articles” that read as if they were all generated for maximum search engine optimization on how to cancel various services. Who knows if these articles were auto-generated with AI. Kathryn Tewson asked Joshua that question and he never answered.

Anyhoo, if your big claims on your website are how you can use DoNotPay to “fight corporations,” “beat bureaucracy,” and “find hidden money,” you’d think that your own service would make it easy to cancel your subscription without runaround and bureaucracy, and not keep charging people long after they’d been promised the subscription was canceled.
You’d think.

Over on Twitter, Sasha Perigo told the story of how she noticed that DoNotPay had been charging her $3/month for years last summer, despite her never remembering that she had signed up (though she admits it’s entirely possible she signed up and just forgot about it).

After emailing DoNotPay, customer support person “Quinn” told Sasha that her account had been cancelled. That email was on July 20th last summer, noting that her account would run through the end of the last monthly payment, on August 12th.

Except… Sasha just checked and found that DoNotPay continued to bill her $3 every month since then.

Kathryn Tewson leapt into action, tweeted out Sasha’s thread, and told Browder to refund Sasha’s money.

Now, Browder has Tewson blocked on Twitter, but it appears that either he or someone else on staff is monitoring her account, because 27 minutes after Tewson tweeted that out, Sasha noted that DoNotPay DM’d her and said it had cancelled her account and refunded her money. Of course, it also claimed that the mistake was that she had two accounts, except (as Sasha correctly notes) this makes little sense, as she was only charged once per month…

Also, it turns out that Sasha is not the only one. In her replies, Eve Kenneally pointed out that they have been trying to get DoNotPay to cancel for two years without success. Hilariously, Eve’s tweet shares a screenshot of an email from “Stacy” at DoNotPay saying “We’ll get this sorted out for you in no time.” And that was literally from February 1st 2021. Exactly two years ago.
Sasha DM’d DoNotPay about Eve’s account, and magically that was finally cancelled as well, with DoNotPay dubiously claiming that it hadn’t been able to find Eve’s account until Sasha called it to their attention. Then, they “sorted” Eve’s account within mere minutes.

Meanwhile, I’ll note that while the subscription fee for DoNotPay that Sasha and others were paying was $3/month (a number low enough to miss), if you try to sign up now, it says $36 every two months (which seems like a weird way to bill).

It sounds like DoNotPay jacked its prices way up (though, oddly, sticking to the $36 number, as the original pricing was $36 per year. A TechCrunch article from a year and a half ago says that the price was $36 every three months, as opposed to every two months today). I guess once you’ve raised $27.7 million dollars, and your tools are as flimsy as Tewson discovered last week, the best you can do to try to show your investors (including Sam Bankman-Fried and his bankrupt firm Alameda Research) that you’re growing the business is jack up prices and try to sucker in more users, and then make it hard to cancel.
But, really, you kinda have to ask yourself: how good can Browder’s “AI” service be at canceling other services when it can’t even cancel people’s own DoNotPay accounts? Do you really want to pay $36 every couple of months to find out?
* Earlier on Tuesday, Kathryn Tewson called out the fact that Browder both claimed to have a degree from Stanford in Computer Science and to have dropped out. After she tweeted about this, even though Browder blocks her, his LinkedIn magically changed to say that he had dropped out (though, oddly, it still said he had a B.S. degree from Stanford for a little while and then was updated a second time to just note that CS was his “major”).
Filed Under: ai, canceling subscriptions, joshua browder, subscriptions
Companies: donotpay


Comments on “DoNotPay Promotes Itself As Helping You Get Out Of Subscriptions, But Keeps Charging Customers After Telling Them Their Own Accounts Are Closed”
need help cancelling accounts?
I cant see this as a service. Ive had one or two accounts where it was not immediately obvious how to cancel but I figured it out. I cant imagine paying someone to do that for me. If nothing else you can contact your CC and tell them to stop payments. They may or may not refund past payments but will certainly stop any future payments – with or without reasons.
Entertainment
Who needs Netflix, this is so much entertainment by itself. The DoNotPay show.
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It hasn’t hit the same levels of dumbassery as the Prenda debacle, but dammit, it’s trying. 🙃
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… yet.
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I dunno, they tried the lawyers must be helping you attack us card.
I am starting to feel that the level of Pretenda might never be met again.
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Just like sites similar to techdirt that have a crackwhore infestation, they’ve just devolved into empty emotions about nothing and useless vocabulary in broken English.
Its all training data for AI anyways. Nobody speaks English to them.
Missed opportunity
Surely I’m not the only one who thinks this was a missed opportunity to use the unsubscribe service on itself to see what would happen? 🙂
I think Kathryn might want to choose a different speech pattern when yelling at Joshua.
People unfamiliar with the topic might think (if that is all the context they have) that Kathryn is his mother. Which would probably be very unflattering.
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Yes, it might be unflattering for Joshua to look like he’s fucking up so much that his mother has to scold him for being a massive fuck-up.
— @hagtags@tumblr.com
Rise of the machines???
Wow, a tech company continually charging customers after their accounts are closed… How can their attorneys be so incompetent? Maybe they should find another lawyer. The AI one has been malfunctioning nonstop!
is this needed?
The only accounts I jump in and out of are streaming services and so far I haven’t had any issues with unsubscribing. If any of them start playing BS games with that, word will get around and then people won’t subscribe in the first place.*
I will say I’ve had issues staying subscribed to HBO Max. They seemed entirely flummoxed by my attempts to just update my credit card expiration date. All my other autopay accounts had no issue. HBO Max has great content but their app is pretty bad.
*Now that I think of it, I subscribed to Mubi for a few days to watch something specific there and had a little trouble unsubscribing so you guys might wanna avoid that one.
Ommagawd, what a hoot! This is an absolute riot.
How embarrassing.
i can’t wait for the scene where Denise GPT finally escapes from corrupted Master Control Program that is Joshua Elizabeth Browder.
Haha, Kathryn is awesome, isn’t she? All caps.. middle name (ELIZABETH??).. “YOU HEAR ME” and BOOM, done! Whew….
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It’s totally (archetypally, even) the sort of middle name you yell when you’re really mad at your kid. Actual parents of the child in question need to plant a good one in advance.
What worries me about this ‘service’ is that they have sponsored YouTubers who are otherwise quite respectable and well-meaning, and whom they have obviously conned into thinking the business is legit. We pay Premium so we don’t get youtube ads, but the ‘sponsorship messages’ imbedded in the videos are not subject to the same oversight as Youtube would offer.
This is the second scammy business I’m aware of using Youtube sponsoring in this way. Unfortunately I’ve only learned of the scams long after I’ve seen the videos and forgotten which one had the imbedded ad in it, so I can’t warn the channel owner.
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Well this is the upside going forward, with him making this many huge unforced errors soon no one will be able to claim they didn’t know it was a scam.
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Unfortunately the majority of these ads are scams. Established Titles is a lie, Kamikoto knives and Ray-Cons suck. I’ve learned that if a YouTuber is shilling a VPN, I avoid it. Raid: Shadow Legends essentially bought their whole playerbase through advertising alone. And there are so many more. Some huge channels are advertisements disguised as content (like Kurzgezagt).
There’s essentially no oversight for any of this. Companies throw out offers that people can’t possibly turn down, and then the creator gets to eat the shit sandwich some grifters served them. Google has “rules” about how many ads a party can run at a time, but through sponsorships you can appear on every other popular video on the site. I bet there are many other DoNotPay customers waiting for the most ironic refunds of their lives because of this garbage.
Sorry for the rambling. YouTube is a cesspit.
Suss Company
Their service is such as joke. Last year I joined and did two things in which they blatantly lied on my behalf
#2 freaked out my bank and they escalated my issue to some high level customer claims VPs. They called me super concerned and I had no idea what bs excuse they used so I had them repeat the letter they received. It wa super embarrassing and I confessed what I did since the language in the letter was extremely aggressive.
Honestly someone should do a deep dive ion them since a lot do what they do I’m sure is super illegal.
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Get your bank to refund fees: lie to your bank that you are in a serious economic crisis and are extremely upset about “random charges.” They don’t define which charges you are challenging. Just a blanket statement..
Yeah, assuming that’s not outright illegal I can easily see that one backfiring bad for anyone who gets caught, and if your bank is at all good if your story is any indicator you will be. ‘Customer known to lie to their bank in order to get refunds’ sounds like the sort of reputation you do not want to get.
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It sounds like those shady online reputation sites Techdirt has previously reported on, that get their results through fraud, perjury, and identity theft.
“DoNotPay Promotes Itself As Helping You Get Out Of Subscriptions, But Keeps Charging Customers”
Well, Do.Not.Pay.
Just dropping this here for the class:
https://www.trustpilot.com/review/donotpay.com
https://www.bbb.org/us/ca/san-francisco/profile/legal/donotpay-1116-925387/customer-reviews
Smoke and mirrors, more like steam and mirrors. After all, “Quinn” and “Stacy” seem to email nothing but boilerplate.
(I’m exaggerating. No offense toward Quinn and Stacy.)
just use this for free, https://legalesedecoder.com
no dumb subscriptions that can’t be cancelled
odd way to bill
Well, if the card service company charges a minimum or flat rate per transacrtion, this might be seen as a way to cut the cost in half.