EFF, Public Knowledge And Creative Commons All Respond (Politely) To ASCAP's Misguided Attack

from the I-would-have-been-more-snarky dept

Following last week's bizarre decision by ASCAP to attack Creative Commons, Public Knowledge and EFF as part of its fundraising campaign, all three organizations have now responded, and done so with a bit of wonderment at why they were painted in such a misleading light.
  • Creative Commons responded in an interview with Zeropaid, noting how misguided and flat-out wrong it was for ASCAP to suggest that Creative Commons somehow undermines artists' rights, when it's always done exactly the opposite:
    "It's very sad that ASCAP is falsely claiming that Creative Commons works to undermine copyright" Steuer told ZeroPaid. He explained, "Creative Commons licenses are copyright licenses -- plain and simple, without copyright, these tools don't even work. CC licenses are legal tools that creators can use to offer certain usage rights to the public, while reserving other rights. Artists and record labels that want to make their music available to the public for certain uses, like noncommercial sharing or remixing, should consider using CC licenses. Artists and labels that want to reserve all of their copyright rights should absolutely not use CC licenses."

    It does make sense because Creative Commons is voluntary. The creator can choose whether or not to use Creative Commons or not.

    "Many tens of thousands of musicians, including acts like Nine Inch Nails, the Beastie Boys, David Byrne, Radiohead, and Snoop Dogg, have used Creative Commons licenses to share with the public. These musicians aren't looking to stop making money from their music. In fact," Steuer added, "many of the artists who use CC licenses are also members of collecting societies, including ASCAP. Incidentally, that's how we first heard about this email campaign -- many musicians that support Creative Commons received the email and forwarded it to us. Some of them even included a donation to Creative Commons."


  • The EFF responded in an interview with CreateDigitalMusic.com, where it noted, amusingly, that the EFF's long-standing proposal on how to "fix" copyright law, actually is to set up an ASCAP-like system for digital music (this is something that I've long disagree with EFF about, by the way). So it seems pretty silly to claim that EFF is somehow trying to undermine ASCAP. It just takes issue when ASCAP takes a ridiculous stance like claiming that ringtones require a separate "public performance" license -- a position that is clearly at odds with the law.
    "They imply in that letter that the EFF don't want artists to get paid for their work," says Rebecca Jeschke, EFF spokesperson. "For years, we've had a proposal for Voluntary Collective Licensing," she says, a scheme by which users of file sharing services could contribute to funds for artists. She says the EFF has been working on the issue since 2003. "We're interested in making sure that there's a balance, that copyright respects the rights of the creators but also innovators and speakers, and that [the doctrine of] fair use rights [a provision of US Copyright Law] are respected."


  • Finally, Public Knowledge responded on its own website, in a response that is similar to the EFF's, pointing out that it clearly supports getting artists' paid, has no interest in undermining such rights, and has advocated models similar to ASCAP's:
    Of course, anybody who has spent more than 5 minutes on our website or talking to our staff knows that these things are not true - Public Knowledge advocates for balanced copyright and an open Internet that empowers creators and the public.  What we oppose are overreaching policies proposed by large corporate copyright holders that punish lawful users of technology and copyrighted works.  We have taken artist-centric positions on a number of critical copyright issues which have put us at odds with some of our copyright reform colleagues.  For example, PK has supported a level-playing field in the payment of performance royalties and called for (pdf) copyright holders to sue large scale peer-to-peer infringers directly, as opposed to holding innovators liable for the infringement of others.  We have also advocated for changes to the law that would make it easier for online music services to license content from music publishers, leading to greater legal use of music and greater compensation for artists.  Finally, and oddly enough, we have emphasized the central role that performance rights organizations like ASCAP could play in a digital world and have praised them for their ability to keep accurate records of who owns what copyright.  So frankly, we're more puzzled by this attack than anything.
So, basically none of these organizations do anything like what ASCAP claimed. It's too bad that ASCAP still seems to be standing by its backwards-looking position.


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    Black Patriot (profile), Jun 30th, 2010 @ 9:39pm

    The best way to respond to wild accusations and attempts at fear mongering is a polite and reasonable response, that way it's harder for them to claim you're trying to "destroy our values", or whatever ASCAP was trying to make up.

     

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    Laske, Jun 30th, 2010 @ 10:25pm

    EFF, Creative Commons and Public Knowledge are colluding to make it mandatory for kids to take heroin in class! Think of the children!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 30th, 2010 @ 10:52pm

    So one side probably favors retroactive copyright extensions and the other side probably does not favor retroactive copyright extensions.

    Radical. Extreme.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 1st, 2010 @ 1:51am

    of course, considering that larry lessig is part of eff, you sort of know where they stand. see, when you know the players, you discover why the organizations have such positions.

     

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    Dementia (profile), Jul 1st, 2010 @ 3:19am

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    And your point is what again?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 1st, 2010 @ 4:06am

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    Agreed that is why we all know that anything that have Sony, Universal, BMI and other in it are anti-consumer and anti-free-market.

     

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    Mike Masnick (profile), Jul 1st, 2010 @ 4:25am

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    of course, considering that larry lessig is part of eff, you sort of know where they stand. see, when you know the players, you discover why the organizations have such positions.

    Your factually challenged comments never cease to amuse.

    How, please tell us, is Lessig "a part of EFF."

    He's not a staff member:
    http://www.eff.org/about/staff

    He's not a board member:
    http://www.eff.org/about/board

    He's not a fellow:
    http://www.eff.org/about/fellows

    And he's not even an advisor:
    http://www.eff.org/about/advisoryboard

    As far as I know, Lessig has nothing whatsoever to do with EFF.

    But, that said, with so many people involved in EFF, what if Lessig did have some connection to the group? I find it weird that so many maximalists have this weird mancrush on Lessig, as if anything he touches is really him alone.

    Anyway, I can't wait to see if you'll actually admit you were wrong for once. Somehow, I doubt it.

    Facts are not your strong suit. But what's amusing is your inability to admit it when proven wrong.

     

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    The Devil's Coachman (profile), Jul 1st, 2010 @ 4:34am

    WTF are you trying to say, bunghole?

    Try as I might, I cannot imagine anything so far today that could be as incredibly stupid as what you just spewed. What are you anyway? A tin-foil hat wearing bomb shelter resident waiting for jeebus to come back and set your weird world right? Man, you need help, and quickly. Unfortunately, I think your stupidity is incurable, and probably terminal.

     

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    abc gum, Jul 1st, 2010 @ 4:38am

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    Hello FUDonymous

    I love the smell of nonsense in the morning.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 1st, 2010 @ 7:18am

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    Moron.

     

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    Hephaestus (profile), Jul 1st, 2010 @ 7:23am

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    IP "maximalists have this weird mancrush on Lessig"

    Dude to funny !!!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 1st, 2010 @ 8:13am

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    Perhaps he was confused because Mr. Lessig is associated with both PK and CC.

     

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    Hephaestus (profile), Jul 1st, 2010 @ 8:16am

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    He used to be a board member of EFF if I am remembering correctly.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 1st, 2010 @ 8:55am

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Lessig's bio at Harvard Law School states he was previously associated with the EFF.

     

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    RD, Jul 1st, 2010 @ 9:50am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    "Lessig's bio at Harvard Law School states he was previously associated with the EFF."


    And so what? That proves NOTHING of the point you tried to raise, which was:

    "of course, considering that larry lessig is part of eff, you sort of know where they stand. see, when you know the players, you discover why the organizations have such positions."

    PART OF THE EFF, as in, he is currently involved. He is not. You are wrong. Again. You will, of course, not admit that you were incorrect in this instance (or any instance) because you see anyone who disagrees with you as a "pirate" and "thief, and you see Lessig as some kind of Guru-like figure that everyone he has ever had dealings with worships at his feet. Just because he WAS involved with EFF doesnt mean diddly now, at least as far as your "when you discover the players" weak-ass attempt at a "gotcha!"

    Basically, unless you come back with a mea culpa, you are DONE with having any credibility (little that you might have had) to ANY counterpoints you try to raise here.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 1st, 2010 @ 11:15am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    You have me confused with another AC, which is, of course, understandable since we both have the same name.

     

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    RD, Jul 1st, 2010 @ 11:21am

    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

    "You have me confused with another AC, which is, of course, understandable since we both have the same name."

    Fair enough, if the 2nd statement wasnt the same person as the first. My assertion still stands however. That AC was wrong about Lessig being a part of EFF, and wrong about the "meaning" of it. He still needs to admit the error or lose all credibility.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jul 1st, 2010 @ 1:03pm

    Re: x8

    Obviously not adding anything to the conversation, but I just wanted to say that you're assuming TAM has some credibility to begin with. Which is a false assumption. He has no credibility.

    Nor does he have the ability to spell, or use at least semi-proper grammar, or punctuation. He also has this weird adversity to facts, almost like an allergy. He gets these weird hives whenever he tries to type or paste some. At least, that's what I would assume.

     

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    jrep (profile), Jul 1st, 2010 @ 1:07pm

    Re: choosing sides

    While no doubt there is a split here over extensions, the various remarks more directly seem to indicate a split between "those who care about the rights of the actual creators," vs. "those who care about their own right to bilk the creators and milk the public."

     

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    RD, Jul 2nd, 2010 @ 10:49am

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    "Basically, unless you come back with a mea culpa, you are DONE with having any credibility (little that you might have had) to ANY counterpoints you try to raise here."

    Two days and no retraction, or admission of error. You are now officially DONE here TAM, and no longer have anything to contribute nor any valid points to ever make. Buh-bye!

     

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    Brian Lee Corber, Jul 2nd, 2010 @ 11:42pm

    ascap opens its big mouth again

    It's really funny because the biggest enemy to artists is ascap itself, against whom they have no protection because the courts have bought into the notion that the US DOJ watches over ascap. LOL LOL LOL LOL.

    Ascap needs to be boken into 50 state versions of itself which compete against each other for member and user dollars.

    The greatest con ever created is the blanket license by which a broadcaster for exasmple pays for music it doesn't even use! Almsot 80-90X as much. And why Alden-Rochelle hasn't been aspplied to TV brodcsts is beyond me. ASCAP is a racketeering influenced corrupt organization.

     

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