Confused French Indie Labels Sue Google

from the let's-work-on-the-logic-bit dept

It appears that the collection society for indie record labels in France, SPPF, is a bit confused about how the internet works. It's sued Google over videos on YouTube, claiming that while Google had removed a bunch of videos that were using songs covered by SPPF, many of those songs had returned! Of course, that's probably because other people uploaded them. But rather than put the blame where it's due (on the uploaders), SPPF has just decided to sue Google. Even worse, SPPF never bothered to sign up for Google's totally free program that lets artists upload content they want protected so that Google can match the content and either stop it from being uploaded or allow the copyright holder to profit by putting ads on it. So, basically, SPPF is complaining that Google won't do what Google absolutely would do if SPPF only used the tools Google has provided. And, claiming that SPPF shouldn't have to be proactive on this makes no sense either -- because how is Google to know whether the use of the content is authorized or not? This lawsuit seems like folks at SPPF were just too lazy to actually understand how Google/YouTube work and so they sued.


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    siliconbandit (profile), Jun 19th, 2009 @ 1:11pm

    Hehehe.

    I'm betting the Riaa exec's are frothing with envy at the SPPF's balls to try something like that.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 19th, 2009 @ 1:25pm

    "how is Google to know whether the use of the content is authorized or not?"

    Simple - the assumption by google / youtube is that everything is good until they are told it isn't. It should be the other way. That would eliminate all of these issues.

     

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    Dark Helmet (profile), Jun 19th, 2009 @ 1:26pm

    Re:

    Did you actually just vocalize an endorsement of "guilty until proven innocent"?

     

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    Valkor, Jun 19th, 2009 @ 1:36pm

    Re: Re:

    99% sure AC was being facetious. Gotta let that sarcasm detector warm up a little before you use it. :)

     

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    Anonymous Poster, Jun 19th, 2009 @ 1:38pm

    And this is why nobody takes those cheese-eating surrender monkeys seriously.

     

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    Anonymous Poster, Jun 19th, 2009 @ 1:38pm

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    Except the RIAA knows (just barely) that they'd get ripped apart if they tried something like that themselves.

     

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    :Lobo Santo (profile), Jun 19th, 2009 @ 1:39pm

    Re: Re:

    [sarcasm]Guilty until proven innocent? Of course! If you let that "innocent until proven guilty" crap fly, then the terrorists win![/sarcasm]

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 19th, 2009 @ 1:50pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    It's the internet. Poe's law is in full effect, and I don't mean the one about how long poems should be.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 19th, 2009 @ 1:57pm

    And because it's France, SPPF could very well win.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 19th, 2009 @ 2:32pm

    Re: Re:

    no, not at all. More like "prove the rights you have, or don't post". Third party material assumed protected unless otherwise shown.

     

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    Dark Helmet (profile), Jun 19th, 2009 @ 3:01pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    "no, not at all. More like "prove the rights you have, or don't post"."

    Yes, yes at all. That's the burden of proof being on the accused. Action should not be taken based on accusations, and this whole "severity of the accusation giving weight to our response" idiocy had better come to a close pretty effing quick or we're all in trouble.

     

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    Raybone, Jun 19th, 2009 @ 3:36pm

    Ah once again AC

    you have shown how absolutely stupid you really are.

    "Simple - the assumption by google / youtube is that everything is good until they are told it isn't. It should be the other way. That would eliminate all of these issues."

    Do you even have the grey matter to take this position to its logical solution?

     

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    Raybone, Jun 19th, 2009 @ 3:39pm

    correction

    I ment "logical conclusion" not "logical solution" though logical solutions exist, just not in AC's world apparently

     

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    Raybone, Jun 19th, 2009 @ 3:41pm

    Correction

    logical conclusion is what I ment to write

     

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    Raybone, Jun 19th, 2009 @ 4:02pm

    oops

    impatience is a vice I don't have time to fix. Sorry for the double correction

     

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    Raybone, Jun 19th, 2009 @ 4:18pm

    oops again

    Sorry, I meant "double vision", not "double correction" though vision can be corrected with glasses

     

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    Raybone, Jun 19th, 2009 @ 4:20pm

    Re: oops again

    oh god, just shoot me now...

    i *did* mean double correction, and i *am* sorry for that

    not for the double correction, but the erroneous apology

    ...does this make sense?

     

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    Leetwanker (profile), Jun 19th, 2009 @ 4:47pm

    Woweeewewow!

    Raybone, you're effing losing it meng! I hope you took a pill or got some sleep or drove the porcelain school bus to get yourself straight! Funny Shit!

     

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    Jobu, Jun 19th, 2009 @ 4:59pm

    SPFF = modern day Nazi

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 19th, 2009 @ 7:45pm

    Do not fall for this gross PR stunt.

    If you check your archives, the same SPPF sued Vuze/Azureus. It made the headlines and they newer showed in court. So the case was filed.

    SPPF represents a bunch of French indies (one being Carla Bruni-Sarkozy's label). They think they have to make this kind of announcement to prove they exist against a rival French "syndicate" SCPP.

    This is of the upmost "ridicule" but this is ...

     

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    Raybone, Jun 19th, 2009 @ 10:15pm

    Eh My name was hijacked Ha Ha

    Im flattered

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 20th, 2009 @ 9:35pm

    Re: Ah once again AC

    You are making a couple of really big errors (beyond the typos, which I make too often myself!).

    "innocent until proven guilty" is something for a court of law. It doesn't extend to commercial rights. In Commercial Rights, it is basically "you have them or you don't". There isn't any "innocent" here, it's "yes I can, or no I can't", nothing more.

    The current DMCA regime pretty much allows rights holders to get screwed over all the time. Anyone can use their material, and the rights holder has to go out and police the entire internet to find their content and report it as "not permitted". In most of these cases, if the original poster was required to show that they have the right, the material would never get posted. In the end, the rights holder gets screwed, their material gets misused, they have to pay to police and protect their rights, and they have no legal recourse to recoup those losses.

    It sucks to be a rights holder, it is expensive to protect your property, and everyone else has incredible leeway to abuse your rights without you having any way to get back at them.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 21st, 2009 @ 5:19am

    Re:

    yeah, no posting unless the record company says it's ok...

     

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