Verizon Wireless Slowly, Quietly, Backing Away From Misleading Claims Of Unlimited Service
from the shhhh...-don't-tell-anyone dept
For years, Verizon Wireless has been pushing its EVDO wireless internet service as "unlimited" -- but then cutting off users if they passed some unknown, unstated "cap." When pushed on this, a Verizon Wireless rep actually said "It's unlimited amounts of data for certain types of data." And... if you happened to go over a certain amount of total data, then they insisted you absolutely must have been using it for "other" types of data -- even if they had no actual proof. For a while it was thought that the cap was 10gigs, but later it was revealed that it was merely 5gigs of data per month -- which these days, really isn't all that much for some people. We've always wondered why no one ever hit Verizon Wireless with a false advertising suit over the claim of "unlimited," but it never happened. However, it appears that Verizon Wireless has been slowly backing away from the unlimited claim, and is now putting the 5gig limit into the terms of service. They still do use "Unlimited" in their press releases, but seem to be backing away from it in their ads. There's nothing wrong with limiting the total bandwidth that can be used, so as long as the company was clear about it. It's unclear why it took years for Verizon Wireless to decide that actually being (somewhat) honest about what it was selling was a good idea.
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VZW by csin on Apr 4th, 2007 @ 11:24pm
If you look back... they have a history of incorrect or misleading advertising... look at the out of country data usage incident...
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by Anonymous Coward on Apr 5th, 2007 @ 2:13am
Most individuals can't afford to start a legal battle with a large corporation like Verizon when they are ripping off the public; that's what the Federal Trade Commission is _supposed_ to be for. So the real question is why the FTC wouldn't act in this case.(reply to this comment) (link to this comment)
Lack of integrity by On the phone on Apr 5th, 2007 @ 2:31am
Verizon has never been honest in its dealings with the public. Good service, poor corporate values. When dealing with them you simply need to understand that they will not keep their word.
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by Anonymous Coward on Apr 5th, 2007 @ 3:03am
FUCK Verizon!
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by Sherman T. Potter on Apr 5th, 2007 @ 5:14am
The only way this meatball should be served is with a ping pong paddle!!!
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Verizon and Cingular by Chris Frary on Apr 5th, 2007 @ 5:26am
I live in nortern NY, right on the border with canada, constantly hitting their towers. Cingular even though they claimed those calls won't cost extra they did and have to spend countless hours on the phone to get rid of charges (not to mention the shitty service). Verizon on the other hand will take off the charges immediately but usually they don't put them on in the first place. I had learned Verizon is somewhat part of a lesser evil that At&t (Cingular). If sprint or alltell were to come up here I would switch in a heartbeat.
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Locked into a Contract by 1WebGuy on Apr 5th, 2007 @ 5:30am
Verizon is the Microsoft of cellular.
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Re: Anonymous Coward by AZ on Apr 5th, 2007 @ 6:53am
Ahh look another stupid kid with poor language skills that he/she has nothing better to say than a cuss word.
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Not the worst by Wizard Prang on Apr 5th, 2007 @ 6:59am
I switched to Verizon from Sprint four years ago, and have not regretted it.
They have not mistreated me, have had very few billing errors and I have had no problems... though to be fair, all I have is basic cellphone service.
Ah Sprint... now there's a company that desperately needs to buy a clue (See blog entry at http://tinyurl.com/3a987f)
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Verizon Can't Support what they sell by Bryan Campbell on Apr 5th, 2007 @ 7:03am
I had the same problem with Verizon about a year ago. I signed up for their EVDO service but selected a plan that was only $10/month but limited your downloads to 10MB a month. This met my needs since I only wanted to look at the odd webpage while waiting in lines etc. However, I noticed I kept getting charged overages even though I knew my usage was at most two or three webpages a month (it helps having worked in the computer industry for 20 years). I finally had them send me a log of my web access and discovered that either the server that is logging access doesn't register when a user disconnects or the phone will poll periodically. The result was that I had dozens of megabytes of phantom downloads and at times the log claimed I had been online for 23 hours in a day! Verizon's only answer was that most people opt for the 'unlimited' plan! I was sorely tempted to bring a class action suit against them and I still think about it everytime I look at the log file they sent to me.
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Re: Not the worst by another random human being on Apr 5th, 2007 @ 7:14am
That is really strange...i've tried verizon, sprint, at&t, and T-Mobile, and this is the rank I've found from them...(given, this is pay-as-you-go, but i would imagine that most things would be the same)
1st: T-Mobile
2nd: Sprint
3rd: AT&T
Last: Verizon
I've never liked verizon, and have always had problems with them.
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by Colin LeMahieu on Apr 5th, 2007 @ 7:44am
That's funny, when I read the terms of service on the contract I signed it said you can't go over 5gb a month.
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Software by magicdiablo on Apr 5th, 2007 @ 7:51am
The one thing I can't stand about Verizon is the inability to use your own songs as ring tones you have to buy them from Verizon or one of their "partners" on their VCast system. Also every phone has the exact same OS. Not bad if you switch phones within the service, but you can't really do shit with it. You loose a lot of functions of the phone that you get. Once my contract is up with them I will be moving on
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by Witty Nickname on Apr 5th, 2007 @ 8:54am
My main problem with Verizon is hte big brother aspect. Whereever I go there are thousands of people and helicopters following me around. Most tend to leave when driving on very rural roads, but for the most part it is pretty annoying.
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Advertising by JNels on Apr 5th, 2007 @ 9:24am
Hey - Jeff Nelson here from Verizon Wireless PR - yeah, yeah, PRBS but still. As one poster notes, our Terms & Conditions has noted a 5MB limited for the plan for a year or so. The plan itself has been "Unlimited For" particular kinds of use - email, browsing, intranet. It has never been plain old "unlimited," though we have changed the advertising graphics to note that. The language permiated other parts of the company as well - yeah, including PR, so we're all taking a look so we won't be talking "shorthand" about "Unlimited," when we mean, "use the service for the basics like email, web browsing, your intranet services . . . . that every reasonable person knows will be less than 5MB per month in use."
Thanks for the opportunity to respond . . . .
Jeffrey
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Re: Software by Tekee on Apr 5th, 2007 @ 10:45am
I'll second that. The only reason I switched was to get 5 free razrs on a family plan. I wanted to use the bluetooth and/or USB to transfer pictures and tones between the phones and my computer. Verizon has motorola disable those abilities :( Waiting patiently for 1 more year and I'm OUT!
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It just doesn't matter by the grass is always greener on Apr 5th, 2007 @ 11:04am
I've found that no matter which provider one might have, they are very eager to switch.
I started out with Sprint and was there for five years and then I switched to Verizon (mainly because everyone I know was a customer).
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Re: Software by Edward B. on Apr 5th, 2007 @ 11:09am
Just FYI -- if you can pair your phone via Bluetooth to your computer (BT has to offer a serial-type connection, not just DUN) or get a USB cable, you can use BitPim (www.bitpim.org) to access all the normal media (e.g. for backup of pics) as well as the filesystem. Filesystem access allows you to add your own MP3 and MIDI ringtones, although the directory they are in is locked so that you cannot copy them back out. You can also put the ringtones on your phone as sounds, either by use of a card (Mini/MicroSD) and then texting it to yourself or alternately by emailing to your phone (1234567890@vzwpix.com) and saving the attachment as a ringtone. I can put ringers on my LG enV VX9900 via Bluetooth, I use USB to put them on the wife's KRZR
More info on cell phones, including workarounds to the Verizon restrictions: www.howardforums.com
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Verizon by John on Apr 4th, 2007 @ 11:26pm
Verizon couldnt possibly do anything to benefit its customers.God forbid you actually get something for your money.They're backing away from their customer's needs is what it should have read.
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B.S. by Shalkar on Apr 4th, 2007 @ 11:26pm
The fact is there is no reason to go to Verizon unless that's all you have in your area or it's all you can afford. Verizon has a horrible privacy policy and overcharges for what little it gives. I have them because they're the only DSL provider in my area and I can't afford regular cable internet. It's wrong that the internet is still considered a "luxury" when people need it for researching for school and for just wanting to learn...
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Verizon's claims by chuckhen on Aug 16th, 2007 @ 1:54pm
Issues with Verizon;
1. I purchased the plan at a Verizon store and told them I wanted an unlimited data plan because I downloaded large amounts of data. The sales person told me that what I was getting, no limits and no restrictions. The agreement I signed had no 5gb limit in it, it was just your standard 2 year agreement form. 3 months later I was terminated for going over the 5gb limit. Customer service said sorry, nothing we can do its automatic. They said I would not be charged the early termination fee and they would start a new account for me with a new phone number and no activation fee would be charged. First bill I got after reactivation had the early termination and activation fees! 60 days it took them to fiz that goat rope with me calling once a week to follow up. They also made me feel it was all my faulty.
2. Started having problems getting dropped all the time on the EVDO network. After several weeks of troubleshooting with customer service they told me there was nothing they could do. They said that the problem was a faulty peice of equipment in the cell tower that supports my connection and the company who owns it could not fix it. They downgraded my service area to marginal and said they would note in my account I was not to be charged the early termination fee if I decided to cancel service because of this. Yeah right, we know how thats going to play out, see issue#1.
2. Lost connection while surfing 2 days ago and could not get reconnected. Gave them a call and they said "Sorry, you have to have the latest version of the VZAccessmanager or we can't help you". Funny, I had just checked for the latest version that morning and their software said I had the latest version. He told me to go find and internet connection somewhere and download it. I was willing to wait the 2 days mail time for them to send me a copy and was told they couldn't do that. Funny, the last time my card went bad they sent me a brand new card with the software, why didn't they do the same in this case. I pay them $50 a month for a limited internet connection and I have to go use somebody elses connection to get theirs back online.
Called AT&T today and talked with a supervisor about their data plans. Seems AT&T has no restrictions or limitations on their "unlimited plans" at all and they could not believe Verizon was getting away with what they were doing. Well, I'm here to tell you they are not going to get away with it if I have something to say about it. I'm going to contact a lawyer and start a class action suite, I don't care if I get a dime, just tired of seeing good folks get ripped the hell off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Class action by Karen on Aug 16th, 2007 @ 2:01pm
Let us know if you get anywhere with filing the class action chuckhen, I'll jump on board.
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Overscription and limited technology by Paul on Aug 18th, 2007 @ 2:15pm
The real problem is that there are too many users abusing the cellular service for junk services and the technology is not fully developed to support this at the present time.
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Re: Overscription and limited technology by chuckhen on Aug 21st, 2007 @ 8:48pm
Are you saying that there isn't enough bandwidth to support the cellular services these corporations are selling? This would be my point exactly.
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Re: Not the worst by Verizon's Victim on Dec 11th, 2007 @ 9:36pm
wow, u must b a verizon sales rep to lie like that.
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Verizon Navigator (False advertisement) by Omi on Jun 10th, 2008 @ 5:52pm
It costs more to use this VZ Navigator. I have been using this since 5-6 months. The latest release of Navigator also displays the current traffic along the route. But now it takes up lots of Bytes and also for every time you use, as well as for some reason they even charge for using SMS. I have been charged for more than 30 SMS in my last month bill for no reason. So monthly charge for using this service is not $9.99 but $9.99 (Monthly charges) + $3.98 (Data Access charges) + ~$6 (SMS charges) = approx $20 plus Airtime charges
Verizon falsely advertise that using Verizon Navigator costs $9.99 per month…
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