Big ISPs Expected To Start Six Strikes Program This Weekend [Updated]

from the just-what-we-need dept

Update: Dah. Got fooled on the date. Someone had sent that one anonymously, and we missed that the date was from back in March. Others are reporting the program won't go into effect until the fall.

At this point, it's no surprise, but the RIAA's Cary Sherman has now confirmed that (as had been previously stated) the big ISPs (Comcast, Time Warner Cable and Verizon) will be ready to kick off their "six strikes" plan this weekend. Apparently, the idea of actually giving the public a seat at the table, and looking into whether or not this made sense, wasn't seriously considered. Of course, none of this will do anything to bring revenue back to RIAA or MPAA members. It won't even do anything to stop infringement in the long term. As always, people will figure out ways around this. We've already seen the massive failure of an even stricter program, Hadopi, in France. Can anyone seriously claim that this will somehow work better in the US? Instead, it won't be long until we hear the stories of false accusations, or families who have their internet connection limited or locked down because a neighbor maybe downloaded some infringing content. Little Susie needs to do some research for her homework? Not tonight, kids. Hollywood has to teach you a lesson. Of course, the only real lesson is that the entertainment industry needs to stop blaming customers, and start looking inward, at its own failure to innovate. Pissing people off by limiting their internet connections is not a productive path forward.


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    Lowestofthekeys (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:36am

    This out to be fun.

    Over at torrentfreak they talked about the possibility that repeat offenders (those who violate the six strikes) can have their identification and data reports sent to the RIAA/MPAA for possible lawsuit action...from the back section.


    http://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-riaa-ponder-suing-persistent-bittorrent-pirates-120618/

     

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    Dirtfan, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:36am

    Nobody expects the Spanish inquisition!

     

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    Cory of PC (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:40am

    Well it's kinda a good thing my parents have a different Internet plan, but I fear that some of the things we're doing on our Internet is being control by the RIAA/MPAA already. Don't know if it's true, but I can't wait to see the lawsuits that are going to come out of this!

     

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    silverscarcat (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:42am

    Time for Darknets now...

    Well! Time to start looking into the Darknet.

     

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    Keii (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:43am

    What does this even accomplish other than driving customers and potential customers to other services/competitors?

     

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    Jim O (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:43am

    I don't normally do this....

    I don't torrent stuff (Netflix and Spotify are just so convenient), but all this cracking down makes me want to out of spite.

     

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    Anonymous Coward With A Unique Writing Style, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:46am

    Wow. An article about Google followed by an article with the first words in the headline being "Big ISPs". Somewhere a man named bob just felt as if his every "delusional fantasy" was being proven true and brought to light for the world to see.

    He is going to have a field day this morning. I am certain of it.

     

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    Jeremy Lyman (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:46am

    Super!

    This just means I'll have to check the unused email account Comcast issued me more often in case any unsubstantiated accusations roll in against my account. Let the false positives fly!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:48am

    Not trolling, but, how does the "strikes" thing work again? More specifically, how do you get a "strike"?

    Let's say that I access The Pirate Bay website (as in, I open it, and then close it). Will I get a "strike"?

     

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    Josef Anvil (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:50am

    Odd

    TimeWarner, Comcast, and Verizon. It's odd that ATT is absent from that group. Well it looks like a boss ad campaign for ATT, Sprint, T-Mobile, Qwest, and any other broadband provider to pinch customers.

    Because of how cable companies have a near monopoly in their respective territories, it won't bother them so much. Verizon seems to be taking a huge chance though.

    I mean I get that these providers want to move away from net neutrality, so it seems they are using the excuse that the reason they don't want net neutrality is so they can protect the content industry.

    That's all I have as far as making this make sense.

     

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    Jeremy Lyman (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:51am

    Re:

    Our chief weapon is fear... and a complicated five strikes system... Six, six strikes... fear and six strikes.... and an almost fanatical devotion to the MPAA....

     

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    Mitch Featherston, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:51am

    ISP Stormtroopers

    It's nice that the RIAA can depend on ISPs to police their pipes for material they deem inappropriate. Wouldn't want the RIAA to lose any sales over digital files being copied back and forth between people using their computer to exchange info. That would be terrible. Yay, ISPs!

     

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    Rob (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:52am

    Hello SSL Usenet Newsgroups.

     

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    Keii (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 6:59am

    Re: Odd

    It's about the only time I've ever been thankful to be on AT&T (home internet, not cellular)

     

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    Zos (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:01am

    Re:

    no, you'll open up the internet one day after downloading a torrent, to a screen saying your account has been suspended, until you call this number.

    Then you'll explain to the nice man that you keep an open router, they'll tell you why that's a bad evil thing to do, and offer to help you set a password. then they'll turn your shit back on.

    basically the rights company monitors the swarm, takes the low hanging unproxied IP's, and sends a notice to your ISP, who then forwards it on. Get BTGUARD, or another good proxy and you'll never have to worry about it again. At least that's how it's always worked up until now.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:01am

    This is the problem with too many of the so called 'big business' types who fear a big government trampling over their rights. They all too often have no problem once so ever with big business stepping in acting like a big government trying to tell you what you can and can't do.

    To those big business types at the RIAA, etc, this is perfectly reasonable. But someone else in the government telling you what to do is a fundamental violation of every single freedom we hold.

    Maybe we shouldn't be all that surprised with all the evidence of this kind of stupidity. After all, a poll released a few days found people HATE Obamacare, but if you describe EXACTLY what's in Obamacare and call it something else then support for it suddenly goes up 30 to 40 points! Why? Simply because too many people are stupid enough not to know what's in Obamacare, or because people were too stupid realize that Obama had endorsed that exact same approached when it was described to people, and they just hated Obamacare in the first place simply because they hate Obama, and if Obama endorsed it then it MUST be bad.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:05am

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    "Maybe we shouldn't be all that surprised with all the evidence of this kind of stupidity. After all, a poll released a few days found people HATE Obamacare, but if you describe EXACTLY what's in Obamacare and call it something else then support for it suddenly goes up 30 to 40 points! Why? Simply because too many people are stupid enough not to know what's in Obamacare, or because people were too stupid realize that Obama had endorsed that exact same approached when it was described to people, and they just hated Obamacare in the first place simply because they hate Obama, and if Obama endorsed it then it MUST be bad."

    Republicans demonize ObamaCare despite the fact it started out as RomneyCare!
    And, when it was RomneyCare, Republicans backed it to the hilt!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:06am

    any complaints, any reasons, any excuses are a complete waste of time. all the entertainment industries are interested in is maintaining what they think is their control over who can have what content, when they can have it and at what price. the obvious fallout isn't being considered, nor is the pissing off of customers. the competing is a non-starter and governments worldwide are helping. the industries still think that everyone will be flocking to get the music and movies just as before. hopefully, they will get a big surprise!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:06am

    LMAO @ Pirate Mike. Tilting at windmills and whining about the law being enforced against all of his pirate buddies. Copyright is the law. Don't blame the messenger, Mikey.

     

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    Jeremy Lyman (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:14am

    Re:

    We can get into a whole debate elsewhere about why copyright laws are what they are, but the issue we're discussing here is how the law is enforced, who is enforcing it and why.

    I'm going to go ahead and imagine many Americans would have a HUGE problem if their gas station started issuing speeding and seat belt citations, threatening to cut them off over incorrect or incidental infractions of laws that most people agree are worthwhile but not intractable.

     

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    silverscarcat (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:16am

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    You can't enforce stupid laws, ac.

    Don't believe me?

    Hint hint: Prohibition.

    Protip: War on Drugs!

    Spoiler alert! Technology is always 3 steps ahead of the law.

    I know that it must hurt your masters in the Content Cartels, but the truth is, you can't stop it.

    Not unless they start treating people like customers rather than thieves.

     

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    Planespotter (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:18am

    Re:

    Lol, the amount of people coming over to Usenet from Bittorrent in the last 18 months has been amazing!

    Won't be long till the legacy types try and shut it down but luckily they just concentrate on unpopular link sites and the replicated nature of servers makes it very hard to police.

     

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    Planespotter (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:21am

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    The internet is based on system that was designed to continue to function is you dropped a nuclear bomb on a large part of it... it is designed to route around damage and all this sort of legislation does is get people working out how to build those routes.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:22am

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    Would they go after any ol' torrent though? Or specifically target copyrighted movie/music torrents?

    If the former, tempted to continuously dl Linux or something akin and make them waste their time while I give them the finger.

     

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    Brandon, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:22am

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    No because you didn't download anything that is protected by copyright, just opening the pirate bay won't get you a strike.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:24am

    Re: I don't normally do this....

    there are lots of legal (not violating anyone's copyright) torrents: music, audiobooks, and movies. so go for it. the MPAA, and RIAA have no right to be the gatekeepers to our culture.

     

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    Dark Helmet (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:25am

    Re:

    I'm sorry, but your argument falls under the category of Logical Fallacy: Appeal To Authority and thus earns the following tag:

    http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority

    Please remit a new argument that is an actual argument, citizen....

     

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    StrikeRevenge, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:25am

    The 6 Strike Back

    What is Cary Sherman's IP and home ISP? This could end up interesting since images and words from websites can be copyrighted as well. So visit the wrong website a few times...bam...no more internet connection for RIAA and their families too...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:27am

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    Stating that copyright is the law is a logical fallacy? LOL!

     

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    Chris-Mouse (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:40am

    Re: Re:

    But according to the MPAA, simply linking to infringing items is itself infringing, thus the entire Pirate Bay site is infringing.

     

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    Jeremy Lyman (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:40am

    Re: Re:

    But everything created in the last 70+ years is protected by copyright. And using any part of the web is predicated on downloading that material. See how the two systems are at odds with each other?

    Mayhaps you meant "didn't download anything that infringed copyright" but when the downloader and the copyright owner don't know whether something infringes, how is the deliveryman supposed to tell the difference?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:41am

    Re: Re: Re:

    Not sure how we can make this easier for you.

    Make an argument that supports the creation and continued support of the law.

    Not the law itself.

    Invoking a law as an argument in of itself does nothing to explain your position or provide any real discussion or insight to your position.

     

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    RD, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:41am

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    "Let's say that I access The Pirate Bay website (as in, I open it, and then close it). Will I get a "strike"?"

    No, you get a strike because you are using the internets. The strike can be over any perceived infringement, is based on accusation only, and you have virtually no recourse to contest it. They don't have to provide any proof. They don't have to allow you to defend yourself or protest the action.

    This action against you will be taken at the accusers accusation at face-value, with ZERO substantiated proof required. It will happen simply by them saying "I accuse thee." ANY copyright holder can bring this action against anyone, whether it is true or not. There is no oversight whatsoever, of any kind, in any form, for ensuring or verifying that the accusations have ANY merit whatsoever.

    They don't even have to prove that it was actually your actual connection that did the "crime," they only need an IP address. Whether that is your actual address, or was actually used for the "crime," or someone just spoofed your IP address or used your WiFi without your knowledge, does not matter.

    The ONLY, single recourse you have is to pay, up front mind you, $35 PER incident to have the ISP "review" the strike. They will, in turn, go to the accuser, say "he protests," the accuser will confirm that the info they gave was Right and Good, and the ISP will deny your protest, pocket your $35, and the strike will stand.

    This WILL happen in virtually ALL cases, bank on it.

    Your rights as a consumer or human being mean not one thing to them for this process. You are, after all, the accused, and that is the same thing as guilty in their eyes.

    Pray you never get accused, as it will be permanent and irrevocable.

     

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    Doug D (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:42am

    pro-competition anti-monopoly benefits

    Hey, maybe this'll serve to get more customers off of Comcast, Time Warner, and Verizon.

    Remember when there were a gazillion small ISPs out there? That was better for the health of the internet than the current situation. It'd be good to see those days come back.

    (Me? I'm currently on speakeasy/megapath.)

     

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    wallow-T, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:45am

    "July 1" is old date and probably obsolete; how about "fall"?

    The referenced Cnet news story is from March. (Somebody else in the blogosphere dredged it up yesterday.) I had thought there was a later story indicating there are hangups and delays.

    The Center For Copyright Info's Twitter feed points to a June 26 story in Time, and that story gives a vague "fall" start date for the program.

    This is the first Twitter item from the @copyrightinfo account since April, so we can see how active the copyright folks are in engaging with the Internet. :-)

     

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    Dark Helmet (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:46am

    Re: Re: Re:

    Uh, no, using the fact that copyright is the law as the basis for this action being warranted/good/whatever IS, though. It's an appeal to authority as the basis for your argument. Does the definition of logical fallacy confuse you.

    LOL! GARGLE BARGLE SNARF SNARF! (or whatever language you speak....)

     

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    Cory of PC (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:48am

    Re: Re: Odd

    Same here.

     

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    G Thompson (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:48am

    Re: Re: Re:

    Since Copyright is in actuality a legal concept and NOT a law as such, though it can be a part of a statute law, then yes your logic fail is quite plain.

     

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    The MAFIAA Dies, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:51am

    Excuse me - who's in charge again? Oh, right. The people are.

    The limp-dicked old 20th Century kidnapping rapists of the MAFIAA are so far out of touch with 21st Century reality that they actually think 21st Century people have Stockholm Syndrome and actually give a shit about them.

    Well no law (of nature or statute) says we have to keep these suicidal old degenerates alive in the 21st Century. The MAFIAA wants to die - let's help them reach that goal ASAP.

    As for the ISP's, your actions will quickly alter your fates. Go ahead and fuck soon-dead old whores if you want, ISP's. Some of you look pretty close to the end, yourselves.

     

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    Josh Taylor, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:51am

    Re: I don't normally do this....

    I don't torrent. But we got to worry about the Beijing Actors treaty which goes into effect after it's ratified by 30 member states including the US. That includes cropping a photo of a celebrity using photoshop. Wikipedia will have to abide the Treaty or it will be forced to shut down by ICE. That's includes taking down photos off Wikipedia that has been uploaded without the actor's or performer's permission. Otherwise, It was nice knowing Wikipedia.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:55am

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    ooooops... someone didn't get the memo... stay tuned techdirt... LOL.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:57am

    Re: Time for Darknets now...

    yes and everything that goes with it... where sharing mp3s will be treated like child porn and national security treats, when you go down dark allies beware who's waiting for you.

     

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    Lord Binky, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:58am

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    Well, I believe this is important feedback to recieve from ISPs that you have been caught, gives the naughty pirates Z chances to verifiably obfuscate their actions.

    Z= 5*(number of pirates)

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 7:58am

    Re: Re: I don't normally do this....

    lot's like uhmmm 2%...

     

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    Anonymous Coward With A Unique Writing Style, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:01am

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    I'm not sure how it's going to work, but I know you can probably get a "strike" pretty easily. I have a secure network at home and I received a warning once. I'm with AT&T and they forwarded the message from I forget who. Someone supposedly downloaded the movie "Charlie St. Cloud" on my network. Well, the only person with a computer in my home at the time the infringement supposedly took place was myself and I hadn't downloaded the movie. So I just ignored the letter.

    The letter itself (from whatever studio it was) was the usual bluffing/scare tactics and threat of a possible lawsuit if I had downloaded said movie. The message from AT&T included separately was basically, "Hey, we got this letter. We have no proof you did or didn't do anything wrong, so we're not going to do anything to you. We're just forwarding this because we have to. However, if we get more letters we have to forward we are going to look into this and if you're doing something you shouldn't be we will disconnect your services. If this message is in error and you've done nothing wrong just feel free to ignore it."

    The one thing that does suck is locally, there are tons of areas where you can only have one service provider of almost any kind. Satellite, cable, DSL, home phone service, etc. There are some overlapping areas naturally, but for the most part it's a choice of Verizon, Time Warner, or AT&T. So it's not much of a choice at all. Where I live, you want (or need as is the case with me for work) phone service or DSL you HAVE to go with AT&T. So it would majorly suck if they did disconnect my services.

     

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    el_segfaulto (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:02am

    Re: I don't normally do this....

    I torrent all of the damned time. Whenever XBMC puts a new version out, I'll be there. Whenever Debian rolls out a new distro, I'll be there. Whenever the geniuses at OCREMIX put out a new album, I'll be there (and donating!). Torrents aren't illegal. Music isn't illegal. There is so much good stuff out there that isn't part of the MPAA/RIAA cartel that I still can't figure out why people still download the Top 40 crap.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:02am

    Re: Re:

    by that logic you can't enforce any laws... murder, car theft, rape, shop lifting... have any of these stopped?

     

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    el_segfaulto (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:05am

    Re:

    The next inevitable step will be heavily metered billing. Of course, going through your ISP's own VOD services won't count against this.

     

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    Lord Binky, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:08am

    Lulz all around if this happened.

    So if hypothetically the personal IP addresses of politicians/MAFIAA/lobbyists were spoofed and included in the swarms for all major copyrighted works to increase their chances of reaching strike limits. It would be fairly entertaining for those who created such dispicable policies to have them used against themselves. Kind of like a city planner being stuck in the traffic jam his designs made.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:14am

    Maybe ATT doesn't care about this shit. Because they make a lot of money. Thats how I would view it. I never thought I'd be lucky having ATT. But it's time to make what we do online anonymous.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:17am

    Re: Re: Re: I don't normally do this....

    2% is a small percentage but a small percentage doesn't stop the numbers making up that percentage count as lots.
    For example, 2% of the US population is Six Million Two Hundred and Thirty One Thousand, Eight Hundred and Thirty Eight people.

    It may only be 2% but it is also, Lots.

     

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    Greevar (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:17am

    Re: Re:

    Among our chief weapons....

     

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    Greevar (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:20am

    Re: I don't normally do this....

    I don't always torrent. But when I do, it's infringement.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:22am

    The only real lesson is that we don't protest enough and when we do protest, like with the occupy wall street protests, what the heck are we protesting?

     

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    PlagueSD (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:23am

    Re: Re: I don't normally do this....

    Dammit, you beat me to it...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:24am

    Re: Re: Re:

    It'll be hilarious when the laws they enforce don't stop piracy either.

     

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    Chuck Norris' Enemy (deceased) (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:26am

    Re: Re: Time for Darknets now...

    So sharing mp3s are to child porn as RIAA executives are to hookers and blow. Got it!

     

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    wallow-T, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:27am

    Re: "July 1" is old date and probably obsolete; how about "fall"?

    I don't have time to research this, but I have a suspicion that these news stories are always setting the commencement of the Copyright Info program three months in the future.

     

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    Kaden (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:33am

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    Not to worry...the minions of Big Comment stand ready to vilify the poor schmuck at a moment's notice.

     

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    Chuck Norris' Enemy (deceased) (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:37am

    Re:

    These aren't laws...these are corporate policies made in collusion (NBC=Comcast) to limit competition, fear of threatened liability or imposed regulation, or corporate buddyism (see cross-pollination of board members).

     

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    silverscarcat (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:39am

    Re: Re: Re:

    Nice use of a false argument to trying and defeat logic.

    All those things you mentioned... All of them...

    Result in the loss of something (life, property)

    What sort of loss does infringement entail?

    Note, I said "stupid laws".

    Laws against murder, car theft, rape and shop lifting are not stupid laws, they are there to provide restitution for the wronged party.

    Copyright Infringement doesn't wrong anyone, because there's nothing of value being lost.

    If I copy a movie from one DVD to another and give it to a friend, nothing of value has been lost.

    If I took a DVD from a store without paying and gave it to a friend, then something of value has been lost.

    See the difference?

     

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    That Anonymous Coward (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:40am

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    There is a large portion of the US where there is no other choice, or if there is a 2nd choice it also signed up for this stupidity.

     

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    silverscarcat (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:43am

    Re:

    If you don't know what Occupy Wall Street was about, you need to look around the net more and stop reading stuff from Fox, CNN, MSNBC and other major networks and try to find from the people themselves.

     

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    That Anonymous Coward (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:43am

    Re: Super!

    You'll notice when they force every web address you enter to a page where you have to click something.
    You'll notice if they carry through with the threat to throttle your connection based on allegations made with no real outside vetting of the software generating the notices.

     

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    Al Antouring, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:43am

    Message to the sell-out ISP's:

    Since most of you "major" ISP's are just a bunch of ex telco and ex shoe-selling marketing shill know-nothings with zero technical background, I'll let you in on a computer-world saying that you've likely never heard:

    "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway."

    Translation for those ISP's mentioned above and any other really, really dumb people:

    The computer-world got along fine without you for decades before and we'll get along fine without you now.

    And the computer-world is millions (if not billions) of times bigger now than it was then! And there is a reason that people have massive hard drives and its not to hold that drm shit.

    Bwah Hah Hah Hah !!!!

    ***

    We interrupt this message for a news-bulletin:

    This just in: The MAFIAA is still dead. And in a related story, several formerly major ISP's are on their death beds following a massive drop in revenue.

    We return you now to the message.

    ***

    Go ahead, ISP's - I dare you.

    Can someone out there say "enormous revenue opportunity?"

    How much do you want to bet that Google (with its already massive revenue and massive dark fiber reserves) has been holding its breath for just a moment like that?

    The ISP's lose. Game, set and match to the opponent.

    ***

    What's next, dying MAFIAA - you get your errand-boys in the US government to outlaw the copy command and send in the drones?

    Just admit it - you're through.

    Bwah Hah Hah Hah !!!!

    ***

    Why do the actions of the dying MAFIAA always remind me of the Monty Python skit with the knight with no arms or legs left and blood spurting out of every hole?

     

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    That Anonymous Coward (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:45am

    Re: Odd

    That is a change, ATT signed the letter of intent to join into this program.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:55am

    Re: Re: Time for Darknets now...

    Oooooh, scary! If you avoid our intrusion, it's...uh...dangerous! Oh, and you're a really bad person! Yeah, like...uh...a criminal! So watch out!

     

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    silverscarcat (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:55am

    Re: Message to the sell-out ISP's:

    "Why do the actions of the dying MAFIAA always remind me of the Monty Python skit with the knight with no arms or legs left and blood spurting out of every hole?"

    "Tis but a scratch!"
    "Your arm is sliced off."
    "No it's not."

     

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    vastrightwing, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 8:58am

    US Post office is next

    Change ISP to USPS and imagine mailing hard disks to your friends with infringing material on it. Now imagine the post office scanning your packages for hard drives with infringing material on them. Then the USPS notifies you that your mail will be shut off because you are using the USPS to steal from artists. Well, the idea is exactly the same.

     

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    That Anonymous Coward (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 9:00am

    So let us look at the problems step by step.

    The Cartels have inserted themselves into your contractual agreement with your ISP.

    Your ISP to take actions to your connection based on claims made by an outside party made outside of a court of law.

    The Cartels are using a "secret" technology, that has been proven time and time again to generate false positives.

    The Cartels lovingly provide you a chance to protest their findings, for a $35 fee. This fee is to make sure your serious... do they have to pay the ISP $35 for every notice they send?

    You are expected to give an answer to the notice, but the options for response are limited and include the idea that nothing made after 1929 is not covered by copyright.

    The Cartels are pushing the negligence angle, well your connection was used so we are asking for your service to be degraded until you lock it down.

    This program is run by a PR company, not a technical company.

    Oh if you get 6 strikes, they remove you from the program.

    Oh and they won't need to get a court order like the copyright trolls do to get your name and contact information to try and sue you they get to compile all of this all along.

    This program can't detect downloads from cyberlockers.

    So I'm pretty sure its only going to take a few phone calls to some AG's to finally get someone to ask why an outside 3rd party can insert themselves into your contract with your ISP. They are making allegations with the notices that can not stand up in a court of law, and well an IP address does not point to an infringer, and there is no "duty" to protect your WiFi connection to keep the Cartels happy.

    This is a PR stunt and not much more, the upside is several of the ISPs who signed up are monopolies in many areas, so they are using their monopoly status to benefit an outside group... That should look very tempting to anyone who wants to break that monopoly. They are misusing their control of the market to the detriment of the consumers.

     

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    weneedhelp, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 9:04am

    BIG

    What no boB?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 9:08am

    Well the one good thing is it makes little economic sense for ISP's to get really crazy with this.

     

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    ChrisB (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 9:13am

    Re: Re: Re:

    The pirate bay does not link to anything, it contains hashes of links, and the links point to torrents, and the torrents allow you to download copied content. Many steps removed from (possibly) infringing. If the pirate bay is infringing, then thinking about downloading is infringing.

    Further, shouldn't uploading be the crime? If I find a bootleg CD on the ground, am I breaking the law, or is the bootlegger breaking the law?

    All these X-strike programs will do is send a lot of people to VPNs.

     

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    Indy, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 9:16am

    Fight back?

    The Internet should organize a mass protest to cancel their ISP accounts for a month. This would do far more damage to Comcast/big ISPs than capitulating to these demands.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 9:16am

    Re: Re:

    We've taken steps to ensure that Usenet continues uninterrupted. We're not about to let 30+ years of work be wasted.

     

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    Bob V (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 9:27am

    Re: Re: Re:

    So how hard would it be to set up a false positive campaign and then get some friendly lawyers who want to get rich by making a class action to sue the big isp's. The whole program seems ripe for legal shenanagins.

     

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    gorehound (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 9:31am

    Re: I don't normally do this....

    Stop giving your money to MAFIAA.
    Buy & support INDIE Art
    Buy & Support your local Artists
    Go see a performer in your town

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 9:35am

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    IT'S BAD BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL AND ILLEGAL BECAUSE IT'S BAD!!!

    YOU GUYS ARE SO STOOPID!!!

     

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    Jolly Roger, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 9:40am

    three Letters

    Three simple letters.. V P N.

    Get yourself a VPN connection outside the country and they cant touch you. Pirate bay has one.. Ipredator.

     

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    hobo, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 9:41am

    Re: Re:

    Remember the myriad variations of an internet/piracy tax idea? Email tax, blank media tax, mp3 player tax, computer tax, internet tax, etc.

    This is that, implemented. They could even end up being "magnanimous" and not actually cut anyone off, but $35 per accusation provides a healthy margin.

     

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    383bigblock (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 9:45am

    At least they gave us the answer

    The question: Whose internet service to avoid!!!

    There will be no comcast, verizon or Time Warner in my house........ever!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 9:52am

    Re: Time for Darknets now...

    Time to start looking into the Darknet.

    Or do something crazy like get a job and pay for the for-sale content you rip off...

    God, you dorks are truly the ultimate losers.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 9:56am

    Re:

    It's not a delusion, it's a fact.

    Google wants all IP to be free so they can continue to exploit it without paying. So they can continue to make billions.

    You're an idiot foot soldier for their sick corporate greed.

    At least Masnick gets paid to promote it.

    Wake up and stop being such a gigantic loser.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 10:01am

    Re: Fight back?

    Might as well tell people to turn off their utilities for a month.

    Although I would be tempted to join such a crusade... I just need it to happen when I go backpacking in Europe for a month.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 10:03am

    Re: Re: Message to the sell-out ISP's:

    You don't realize that it isn't the RIAA you're talking about.

    It's yourself.

    Pathetic.

     

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    AzureSky (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 10:04am

    Re: Re:

    so they are modeling this after the us "justice" system then....guilty till proven innocent....

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 10:08am

    Re: Re:

    Translation: (baby crying)

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 10:08am

    The Three Sad Truths

    The first sad truth is that the average person doesn't know or care about this and that's why this type of action will succeed.
    The Mafiaa and Riaa know that as long as people can see their favorite TV show or movies and get to their porn sites they have nothing to fear in terms of any public backlash or loss of business, so a boycott (or cord cutting) will do nothing to stop them.
    The Second Sad Truth (for the entertainment business)is that the pirating of copyrighted material will not be stopped, or even slowed, one little bit!
    The 3rd Sad Truth (and the saddest of all)is that the REAL PIRATES (the ones that are raping and pillaging your country and mine)will never be held accountable for their Criminal Acts.

     

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    Lowestofthekeys (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 10:10am

    Re: The Three Sad Truths

    You just thank your lucky stars the Viking brand of raping and pillaging is no longer in effect.

    I'd take a cutlass skewer over a battle axe to the face anyday.

     

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    TtfnJohn (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 10:12am

    Re:

    Logical fallacies aside, I'm left to wonder just who is tilting at windmills here.

    As Hadopi has failure stamped all over its forehead so let's just try it here and without the open government backup it has in France! To me that looks like an enormous windmill though I could be wrong about that.

    Then there's the minor detail that an IP address does not identify an individual human being, it identifies a connection in a given location which anyone can use. It's also easily spoofed which lessens its value as and identifier of any kind. Those infringing/pirating on a "commercial" scale are using/going to use fake IP addresses.

    Enforcement, on a criminal or civil level, is only as good as the methods used to ID the baddies. Too many false positives will inevitably lead to an increase in dismissals. So much for your enforcement.

    The other thing I wonder about is are these ISPs going to use deep packet inspection to discover whether or not the torrent in question is being used to distribute "pirated" material? Not all torrents do, you know. The majority are used for perfectly legitimate reasons.

    I can see a few lawsuits coming from this from the falsely accused, who can afford it, and a large political backfire.

    Care to debate that without resorting to logical fallacies?

     

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    Milton Freewater, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 10:16am

    Re:

    "Over at torrentfreak they talked about the possibility that repeat offenders (those who violate the six strikes) can have their identification and data reports sent to the RIAA/MPAA for possible lawsuit action...from the back section."

    Well, yeah, but legal action was already possible. BT swarms are public data and anybody can pull IP addys off them. The problem is that there's no effective way to get a judgement in U.S. court against a Bittorrent user. (Some would say it's de facto legal.)

    The strikes also "fall off your record" after a year of no notices, FYI. I always assumed that Comcast etc. would cancel subscribers after only a couple of notices, which is why I keep my nose clean on BT. I guess I was wrong, haha.

    The one thing I wonder about is what torrents will be monitored by the third party doing the monitoring (it's not the ISPs, they're just counting notices and doling out the consequences) They're only supposed to monitor stuff released by the big media corps int eh partnership ... but those companies issue false claims all the time (false DMCA takedowns, for example). If they send out notices for stuff they have no right to say is infringing, watch out.

     

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    AzureSky (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 10:17am

    Re: pro-competition anti-monopoly benefits

    the problem is, most places in the states there are 2-3 options tops.

    cable with comcast/timewarner/heus/charter

    DSL from quest/att/exct

    dialup: why list dialup providers....dialup sucks

    the problem is that in most markets all of your choices will be part of this.

    you are very unlikely to get more then 1 cable and 1 dsl provider in your area, just so you know...

    its sad. but its what the govt of the Incorporated States of America supports....we love our market monopolies...

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 10:22am

    Re: Re:

    I guess the part you missed is State Right vs Federal.. but hey keep up with the stupidity on both sides...

     

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    Overcast (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 10:25am

    Does this apply to a business too? I wonder how much longer you'll see 'free WiFi' at places... it's getting to be too much of a liability.

    After all; a rule like this is just apt to have people go torrent at some free hot-spot instead of home.

    In the end, this could create a new industry of 'hosts' that offer a VPN tunnel to block data from the ISP.... lol

     

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    squirrel (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 10:45am

    Re: Re: I don't normally do this....

    This worries me as well. Does fair use just disappear if this goes through?

     

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    Joe Shades (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 10:46am

    Ok the ISPs are not monitoring you, it is a 3rd party working for he media companies and they report the infringement to the ISP,and they send you a letter saying you have been bad, if you are really stupid enough to get caught 6 times then this internet thing may not be for you

     

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    Joe Shades (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 10:49am

    Re:

    no this does not affect businesses and it has nothing to do with fair use and it really is not anything new, media companies have been alerting the ISPs about infringement for a long time but now it has the label 6 strikes which is intended to strike fear into ignorant fools which i see it already has

     

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    Jeremy Lyman (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 10:50am

    Re: Re: Re: Re:

    Balls! I just thought about downloading.

    Who do I make my $35 check out to, Comcast or the RIAA?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 11:07am

    Re: Re: Time for Darknets now...

    you made me lol

     

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    Milton Freewater, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 11:13am

    Re: Re:

    "no this does not affect businesses and it has nothing to do with fair use and it really is not anything new, media companies have been alerting the ISPs about infringement for a long time but now it has the label 6 strikes which is intended to strike fear into ignorant fools which i see it already has"

    Joe, you're exactly right ... UNLESS the third party monitor and the rightsholders treat these like DMCA takedowns and issue a bunch of strikes for, say, mashups, remixes, parodies, documentaries that include copyrighted content such as "Los Angeles Plays Itself," etc. etc.

    It has been too much trouble and little gain for rightsholders to do that before ... but now there's a system that, like the TSA, has to prove its worth. And private companies have no obligation to honor our First Amendment right to access speech.

     

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    btr1701 (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 11:23am

    Re:

    > To those big business types at the RIAA, etc, this is
    > perfectly reasonable. But someone else in the
    > government telling you what to do is a fundamental
    > violation of every single freedom we hold.

    What about those of use who would prefer neither the government nor big business tell us what to do?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 11:25am

    VPN/Proxy through a provider with IP's in Canada is the way to go now.

     

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    That Anonymous Coward (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 11:25am

    Re:

    and even if you can prove the notice was faulty it costs you $35 to have it evaluated by someone they hired to make those rulings... based on the few responses they offer as valid ignoring silly things like fair use and your system is easily spoofed.

     

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    Joe Shades (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 11:25am

    Yes there could be potential problems but the ISPs are really not too enthusiastic about this and they already are losing customers so i doubt they will be bending over backwards to help get rid of paying customers that are not cutting the cord by themselves, i pay for cable phone and internet, i would bet my life comcast won't be cutting me off if i download some movie

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 11:26am

    Re: The Three Sad Truths

    Sad Truth (for the entertainment business)is that the pirating of copyrighted material will not be stopped, or even slowed, one little bit

    hahahahaha

    what a poor, sad sap you are.

     

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    Joe Shades (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 11:32am

    Re: Re:

    I doubt you will get 6 false notices in 12 months, if you do then you have bigger problems than some silly 6 strikes fear mongering scheme that means nothing

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 11:35am

    So, Does This Mean I Can Start Suing.....

    My boyfriend lives in Vegas, and I live in Arkansas.

    One of the things we love to do is pick out a movie on iTunes, buy it (we take turns), get it downloaded, and then press the play button at the same time while we are in Mumble together.

    It's almost like watching a movie together. Close enough for our case.

    However, 90% of the time, we have to deal with "Error -35"
    or "Error -50" or some other stupid "crap, pause it, I'm locked up" "hold up I need to reboot to get it going again".

    Can I now start holding THEIR feet to the fire on charging as much for the download as they do the DVD, yet I am not receiving the experience I am being charged for.

    Is this the only industry that can get away with still being in business when there are SO MANY CUSTOMER COMPLAINTS?

    Gawd. Imagine if the content industry was a diner that got away with poisoning the customers, got complaints on a daily basis, and still was able to stay in business by passing a law that anyone that walked down the same street as the diner had to pay a fee just for being around. How do I get in an industry like that?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 11:42am

    Re: Re:

    The one thing that does suck is locally, there are tons of areas where you can only have one service provider of almost any kind.

    I swear you people are so out to lunch you don't even realize what you're writing.

    Maybe this is why Lowery touched such a chord: because he was right.

    You blindly throw money at huge corporations like the telcos and Google and think absolutely nothing of the damage done to musicians by the loss of royalties that occurs when you rip off their music instead of paying.

    I suspect you do know this though, and feel at least some guilt, as the idiot rants against record labels show- pretending that some instance of major label malfeasance represents a justification for ripping everything off.

    And don't any of you sociopaths come back with some fucking fake indignation.

    It's sick. Not one of the pirates on this silly blog is fooling anybody.

     

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    weneedhelp (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 11:46am

    Re: At least they gave us the answer

    Mopar or no car.

     

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    btr1701 (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 11:48am

    Re: Re:

    > If you don't know what Occupy Wall Street was
    > about, you need to look around the net more

    It seemed to me the Occupy folks in my city were mainly protesting good hygiene and the taboo against pooping outdoors.

     

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    Hephaestus (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 11:51am

    Re: Re: I don't normally do this....

    Does this treaty apply to everyone's images or just actors?

     

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    The Mighty Buzzard (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 11:55am

    Re: Re: Time for Darknets now...

    Pay a VPN service is far more likely. I've been meaning to subscribe to one and set my network up so that all traffic goes over it for a while now. This seems like as good an excuse as any.

     

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    Joe Shades (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 11:58am

    Re: Re: Re: I don't normally do this....

    what are you talking about

     

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    MrWilson, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 12:01pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    ...I'll come in again.

     

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    [citation needed or GTFO], Jun 27th, 2012 @ 12:04pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Remember when the majority of the internet was against Carreon and Lamar Smith?

    I miss those days...

     

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    MrWilson, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 12:05pm

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    [citation needed or GTFO], Jun 27th, 2012 @ 12:14pm

    Re: Re: The Three Sad Truths

    [citation needed or GTFO]

     

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    MrWilson, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 12:23pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    It's cute that your argument basically precludes counter-arguments by pre-emptively calling anyone who responds a dirty pirate.

    If we're all dirty pirates breaking the law, report us to the police. If we're not fooling anyone, you must have evidence. Or maybe you're just convinced that anyone who doesn't like copyright or government granted monopolies or the way in which the music labels have been ripping off artists for decades despite claiming, as you do, that they care about artists, is a dirty freeloading pirate.

    If you care so much about artists, I'd like to see your proposals for legislation outlawing Hollywood accounting practices that deprive the people who do the grunt work on movies from getting royalties from the movie studios because the movies never turn a profit on the books, by design.

    If you care so much about artists, I'd like to see your proposal for getting label artists better contracts that don't involve charging the artists for all production and marketing done on their behalf from the small percentage they make from product sales before they see a dime.

    How is it that the music is making millions of dollars, yet the artists are seeing very little from the studios, and the people who aren't paying the studios more money are the bad guys?

    You talk about us blindly throwing money at huge corporations and then argue that we're violating copyrights and thus not blindly throwing enough money at huge corporations...

     

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    Rikuo (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 12:24pm

    Re: Re: Time for Darknets now...

    And what if he DOES pay anyway, but wants to use the darknet because this scheme is all about ACCUSATIONS, and not convictions in court?
    Even the most pious customer, according to this scheme, can still suffer because of repeated accusations.

     

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    Gwiz (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 12:25pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    You blindly throw money at huge corporations like the telcos and Google and think absolutely nothing of the damage done to musicians by the loss of royalties that occurs when you rip off their music instead of paying.


    What the hell are you rambling on about?

    I pay my internet provider for providing me internet service. Period. This isn't a hard concept to understand.

    As for Google, the only thing I have ever paid to them is eyes on ads and perhaps some of my surfing habit info. In exchange I get a pretty good search engine, maps, image search, Google docs, some pretty cool open source software, the Android OS, etc. etc. Pretty fair deal to me.

    As for my personal music collection, 95% of that came from ripping me and my wife's extensive CD library. CD's that we already purchased.

     

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    silverscarcat (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 12:28pm

    Re: Re: Time for Darknets now...

    Huh...

    So I guess the 150 I spent last month on my entertainment in my disposable income means that I'm just ripping stuff off?

    Maybe you shouldn't say stuff, because all you do is make yourself look stupid.

    I'm just tired of being called a thief by the MPAA and RIAA, nevermind that I haven't watched any movies in Theaters or gone to any concerts, I don't pirate movies or music (I'll record off the radio for music or just buy a CD if it's good enough)

    The only thing I "Pirate" are television series, and even THEN, I still end up purchasing most of them because they're good and I wish to share.

    So... Wanna try to stop looking like a moron.

    Oh, and BTW...

    "Or do something crazy like get a job"

    I work two jobs.

     

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    tokisho, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 12:35pm

    Need confirmation

    1.What happened to the delay?
    2. Is Mediacom involved in this?
    3.Is this really only attacking torrents or am I screwed from doanloading from mediafire/depsotfiles/hotfile/rapidshare??

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 12:53pm

    Time to end ISP monopolies.

     

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    That One Guy (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 1:09pm

    Re: The 6 Strike Back

    Sounds nice but I can all but guarantee that the MPAA/RIAA IP's are all going to be on a 'do not touch' list.

     

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    That One Guy (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 1:12pm

    Re: Re: Re: Message to the sell-out ISP's:

    Awesome, even had the black knight himself show up with a (sorta)rebuttal.

     

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    wallow-T, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 1:21pm

    Re: Need confirmation

    1) Mike Our Gracious Host picked up a March story, predicting the start of the Copyright Information system on July 1. Ooops! An error in hasty journalmalism. As I mentioned earlier, a Time story dated June 26 (yesterday) puts the start of the program as "fall". Repeating myself, I have a feeling that the start of this program is going to remain three months in the future for some time, as the ISPs both drag their feet, and deal with the awesomeness of the task of identifying customer accounts from IP address/date/time information, accurately and in high volume.

    2) I have no idea who Mediacom is.

    3) The amount of FUD flying around on this is truly awesome. The Copyright Info program is specifically aimed at p2p file sharing (uploading) originating from residential customers. This would definitely include BitTorrent, and might include whatever else is left in the Gnutella world. This will not include file lockers such as MediaFire, Usenet, or any other pure downloading system.

    The ISPs are not monitoring traffic. The ISPs have agreed to:
    - accept IP address/date/time copyright complaints from the copyright holders, without question.
    - match those reports to a customer, and forward warnings on. (There is no guarantee that the report or the match will be accurate, and the report is not to be challenged.)
    - keep count, with vaguely escalating penalties.

     

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    Ruben, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 1:36pm

    Re: Re: Time for Darknets now...

    Careful, your frustration is showing....

    You'll never stop us....

     

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    tokisho, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 1:43pm

    Re: Re: Need confirmation

    Thank you wallow-T.
    Mediacom is a cable/internet/phone service provider.

     

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    Brent (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 1:55pm

    does anyone know where a complete list of participating ISPs can be found?

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 2:00pm

    Re: Lulz all around if this happened.

    Sounds like the old "Hoist with his own petard" thing.

     

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    wallow-T, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 2:03pm

    Re: Re: Need confirmation

    Let me re-emphasize two things about the Copyright Info program:

    - The Memorandum of Understanding between the content industry and the big ISPs is out there on the web. You can read it. I highly recommend reading it yourself; the document is poorly represented in all of the news coverage I have seen.

    - The content industry is not engaging in any subterfuge in collecting allegations of copyright infringment. They are, acting like any other member of the public, joining public p2p networks (BitTorrent trackers, swarms, whatever, and whatever is left of older technologies like Gnutella), firing up (probably modified) user clients, and collecting what is essentially public information.

    The big open question is: Will the Copyright Info system examine a download of a suspect file to get better evidence that the file is really what it says it is? Or, will the Copyright Info system opt to economize on time and just take directory listings, and string-search on those directory listings to create allegations of infringement?

    The other big open question, for me, is what will be the error rate as the ISPs match copyright complaints to IP address log data? Accuracy is expensive; the Copyright Info system, as far as I can see, accepts a sacrifice of accuracy for cost effectiveness and waves away collateral damage.

     

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    RD, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 2:24pm

    Re: Re: Time for Darknets now...

    "Or do something crazy like get a job and pay for the for-sale content you rip off..."

    Just as soon as you and Hollywood show me where I can buy a legit copy of the 1978 Star Wars Holiday Special. Did it suck? Yes, it was pretty bad, but its the one piece of Star Wars I dont have for my collection because it has NEVER BEEN MADE AVAILABLE FOR SALE FROM THE COPYRIGHT HOLDER.

    So, you can stuff your "for-sale content you rip off" right up your Shillhole.

     

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    Joe Shades (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 3:04pm

    Re: Re: Re: Need confirmation

    wallow seems to be the only person here who has a grasp on reality

     

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    anonymous, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 3:41pm

    Re:

    corner a tiger and the tiger bites back HARD!!!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 3:46pm

    Re: Re: Odd

    As did Cablesystem.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 27th, 2012 @ 5:15pm

    Re: Re: The Three Sad Truths

    Yes, because the DMCA and Megaupload takedown stopped and slowed piracy.

    For that matter, bob has been here consistently complaining that the DMCA not only gave rightsholders too many damn hoops to jump through, but actually benefited "Big Search" (whatever the hell that means).

    You're a poor, sadder, sappier sap.

     

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    Mike Masnick (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 5:31pm

    Re:

    Tilting at windmills and whining about the law being enforced against all of his pirate buddies.

    This entire post is about a voluntary agreement that has nothing to do with the law. In fact, the law doesn't come into play at all, because it's based on accusations (not convictions) of infringement and ISPs taking voluntary actions based on accusations with no official review as to whether the law has actually been violated.

    Look, as DH shows below, we know when backed in a corner you're going to revert to "but it's the law!@!@!@#" because you have no real argument, but if you could just stop and think for once, you might realize that some of us are discussing something serious that goes beyond the law.

     

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    RadialSkid (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 5:48pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Shut up and play.

     

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    Wally (profile), Jun 27th, 2012 @ 9:29pm

    Legal or not?

    Would it be illegal to traffic all our torrent traffic to the following IP Address?

    69.172.201.20

    That's the DNS to the MPAA's website.


    I would like to constitute that these policies violate certain privacy laws that ISP's must follow. I typically get video game music from OCRemix.org. It's a sight full of user made music from classic video games. They use BitTorrent to download sound track compilations. The point is, they will have access to your computers illegally, and the ISP's mentioned are accessories to said violation.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 28th, 2012 @ 12:01am

    Re: Re:

    hahahahahahahahahhahaaha... phew... nice top notch reporting there... guess you didn't get the memo! hahahahahaahaha...

    LOL... what else don't you know that we do? Inquiring Minds want to know!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 28th, 2012 @ 12:05am

    Re: Re:

    interesting admission that you don't think the law is a valid argument... that's usually how people end up in jail... good on ya!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 28th, 2012 @ 12:05am

    Re: Re:

    interesting admission that you don't think the law is a valid argument... that's usually how people end up in jail... good on ya!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 28th, 2012 @ 12:09am

    Re: Re:

    interesting admission that you don't think the law is a valid argument... that's usually how people end up in jail... good on ya!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 28th, 2012 @ 5:11am

    Re: Re:

    Hey good job completely blowing this "article." ROFLMAO! If you actually did one minute of actual journalism, you wouldn't look like such a fucking idiot all the time. I know, I know. You have no intention of ever doing any journalism, yet you want the world to value your posts like they were written by a real journalist. LOL! You're a piece of work, Masnick.

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 28th, 2012 @ 6:43am

    Re: Re: Re:

    interesting admission that you don't know how to post comments to a website....good on ya!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 28th, 2012 @ 6:43am

    Re: Re: Re:

    interesting admission that you don't know how to post comments to a website....good on ya!

     

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    Anonymous Coward, Jun 28th, 2012 @ 6:44am

    Re: Re: Re:

    interesting admission that you don't know how to post comments to a website....good on ya!

     

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    wallow-T, Jun 28th, 2012 @ 8:24am

    Re: Re: Need confirmation

    Late thought: Once the ISPs have completed the chore of automating high-volume mapping of IP addresses/date/time to customer accounts, they will lose of the major defenses against making this information available in bulk to copyright troll court cases, where the goal is to extort money from the named customers.

     

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    Niall (profile), Jul 5th, 2012 @ 6:46am

    Re: Re: Re:

    Hey good job completely blowing this "response." ROFLMAO! If you actually did one minute of actual answering, you wouldn't look like such a fucking idiot all the time. I know, I know. You have no intention of ever doing any rebutting, yet you want the world to value your posts like they were written by a real person. LOL! You're a piece of work, Anonymous Coward.

    Way to bring some quality to the discussion, as well as well thought-out points.

     

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