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   Anonymous Coward, Sep 7th, 2006 @ 2:06pm

   
   

   good

   maybe this will also stop hp from spying on all their customers as well.

    

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   Anonymous Coward, Sep 7th, 2006 @ 2:16pm

   
   

   Ancient Idea

   Privacy is such a 20th century concept ;-)

    

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   David, Sep 7th, 2006 @ 2:57pm

   
   

   In jail?

   Shouldn't she and the PI she hired you know... be in jail?

    

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   Beefcake, Sep 7th, 2006 @ 3:08pm

   
   

   Vocabulary Building

   "Pretexting"? Isn't that just another euphamism for "lying your ass off with intent to defraud"?

    

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   Anonymous Coward, Sep 7th, 2006 @ 3:09pm

   
   

   But who's monitoring TechDirt?

   Where did all the comments go?

    

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   Greg Andrew, Sep 7th, 2006 @ 3:46pm

   
   

   I haven't seen any evidence that Ms. Dunn - or anyone else on the board - knew of the methods of investigation before the board got the results. And not only didn't Ms. Dunn hire the investigators herself, she's three steps removed from the investigation. She ordered HP's general counsel to investigate. Counsel hired a consulting firm. The consulting firm hired the investigators. So don't count on any of HP's board getting kicked out because of this unless there's evidence to directly tie them to endorsing illegal activities.
   
   The legality of pretexting when it is not used to steal something of monetary value is also quite unclear.

    

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   nonuser, Sep 7th, 2006 @ 5:03pm

   
   

   Re: Greg

   Except that Dunn used the results of the investigation to attempt to force the resignation of Keyworth (the leaker) at a board meeting. It's not credible to suppose that she didn't demand a detailed briefing on the investigators' methods, in case Keyworth denied the findings.

    

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   Anonymous Coward, Sep 7th, 2006 @ 10:27pm

   
   

   Hey, if the government can do it, why cant our corporations? HP could argue (about as convincingly) that this leak constituted a grave threat against their rights, their love of freedom and liberty. Danger! Danger! Terrorists in the bushes. Yap, yap, yap. Oh my gosh, Islamic facism! Yap, yap, yap. Boo! Scared yet? Yap, yap, yap, yap, ya... zzzzzzzzzzzzz..... I am sooooo bored right now...

    

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   insaniac, Sep 8th, 2006 @ 5:56am

   
   

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   you're weird

    

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    Jerry, Sep 8th, 2006 @ 7:37am

    
    

    Another spy method revealed

    OK. Now that we know how they did it, I'll buy a $40 prepaid cell phone before calling in my anonymous tip. Find that turkeys!

     

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    eb, Sep 8th, 2006 @ 8:10am

    
    

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    Apparently it's not questionable to the attorney general of California, who thinks it's worth a look. And I would like to know how Ms. Dunn or the HP counsel thought they would obtain the desired information without obtaining access to people's private phone records, an ethically questionable and possibly (under California law) illegal activity.

     

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    Greg Andrew, Sep 8th, 2006 @ 9:29am

    
    

    nonuser - No one's claimed that she didn't know the methodology of the investigators after the investigation; the whole board knew. But a corporation isn't a court; they don't just ignore evidence because it's illegally obtained. And they received assurances from their lead outside counsel that the information was legally obtained. I suspect that outside attorney may get into some trouble here.
    
    There are similarities to the Pecorino case in Hollywood, and in that case, no one but the investigator himself has gotten in any trouble beyond embarrasment.

     

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    nonuser, Sep 9th, 2006 @ 6:32am

    
    

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    Greg, the info didn't just fall into their laps like an anonymous hot tip. Dunn commissioned the investigation and was a very active client. When the results came, she used them to execute her plan. Ignorance of the law (or bad legal advice) is not a valid defense for criminal acts.

     

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    HPway, Sep 13th, 2006 @ 11:26pm

    
    

    HP Board lacks integrity

    The spying scandal is a sorry comedown for a company that HAD a reputation for excellence and integrity.
    
    The board's actions have been more of the CYA variety than of truthfulness.
    
    * WHAT PHONE RECORDS? The board played dumb when they realized that directors' phone records were used in the leak investigation. No one asked, "How did we get these records?"
    
    * BOARD MEMBER RESIGNED FOR "PERSONAL REASONS": Perkins resigned in May. HP resisted proper reporting to the SEC of the reasons for Perkins' resignation until the past few days.
    
    * STONEWALLING: Dunn and Hurd have made only weak apologies. Dunn has been far more strident about tracing the leaks from an individual than about the corporate breech of integrity in fraudulent investigations.
    
    * PROTECTING CRIMINALS: HP has refused to identify the private investigation firm or the third party investigators who are suspected of doing the pretexting.
    
    * WEAK APPEASEMENT: Recent announcement of Board changes are weak.
    1. Dunn remains chair for 4 MONTHS.
    2. She remains on the Board.
    3. She will be replaced by Mark Hurd, who is also CEO and President.
    4. The Board will backtracking on its new rule, that the Chair and CEO would be different people. This weakens HP's Corporate Governance.
    
    If the Board had any integrity, it would have acted...
    * immediately, upon learning of wrong doing
    * without coverup, without excuses
    * without compromise to the offenders
    
    The Board must demand Dunn's resignation from the Board. (There will be more legal fallout for HP if she remains, than if she leaves and HP cooperates fully with the California State, Federal, Congressional, SEC and FBI investigations).
    
    The Board needs to have a non-executive Chair. There needs to be a check on the CEO.
    
    The Board must make a public statement, repudiating in the strongest terms, the tactics used by its private investigators, and reiterating its stand on corporate integrity.
    
    The Board must take ACTION to convince the business and investment community that it is determined to regain the mantle of integrity and excellence it once had under Hewlett and Packard.

     

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    19532, Oct 29th, 2008 @ 10:40pm

    
    

    english

     

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