Part of the Chris Cox/ Ron Wyden team? Wow... I'm sure it made sense at the time, but the grief this law has unleashed on the general public for 20 years? has been unreal.. I don't see that mentioned so much on pro 230 articles usually so for some balance, that's why I posted those 3 which do a much better job than a layman can.. Very well written/ researched.
To be fair, Facebook will remove bad stuff, but the Backpage thing is tip of a huge iceberg of bad actors our there that the 230 enables.
So many extortion websites now that the 230 enables who can count?...
The 2nd article, "the internet will not break..", lays out why the internet would be just fine without the 230, and the US would not be cultural cesspool that the 230 has made it. Look at UK, Europe, and Australia.
And the Economist article points out how websites in US are getting away with murder in this "parallel legal universe".
And the Chu article is fantastic as well.
The 230 was naively passed in 1998... 'GOOD SAMARITANS".. as if Americans are nice fun people who will act nicely and legally.. This law is an abomination that has allowed enormous legalized criminality/ extortion, and coarsened the culture.
Read the Economist, those guys are pretty good writers. The mag has been around for 100 years. Arthur Chu article is quite good. Rana F of Financial Times recently. Now lot of anti 230 articles coming out. The game is up... 20 years of a parallel legal universe. Free pass... Total BS. Ruining the Culture of our country.
Thanks One Guy 1-- Yes very very expensive and hard to do those default judgements and you and have get done in one year. What do once the year is up??? (then Statue of limitation)
2--Ripoff Report, Complaints board and the whole fake complaint - extortion industry which the 230 enables--routinely ignores court orders. They don't have to do anything. They have the 230 backing them up!
"Go to court, get a ruling, bring it back to the site. There's the 'reason'."
Ridiculous:
1-Lawyer fees for this (and you will need a season lawyer),are about 10k, to 15k -- the other 99% cannot afford that. 2- Before you blink, the statue of limitations is over. Then what do? 3- Sites are not obliged, thanks to the American section 230 to honor the court ruling.
Thanks One Guy.. good writing, hats off to you. Some good points.
Yes you said it well, "People can be jerks, and this can have real consequences to others"
But I side with the Economist and the other writers.
For 100 years (and currently),print press are responsible for their users toxic bile, but the American public has to suffer for 20 years plus because it's the just internet?
Only the US, not UK, Europe, Australia, has this abomination of the 230.. These websites are just getting away with murder. The game/ charade is up.
For another angle, Here are a few great articles on the pain and grief that the 230 brings to Americans and the culture on a daily basis, here are three great articles:
THE ECONOMIST: Eroding Exceptionalism: Internet firms legal immunity is under Threat https://www.economist.com/news/business/21716661-platforms-have-benefited-greatly-special-legal-and-regulatory-treatment-internet-firms
The Internet Will Not Break: Denying Bad Samaritans Section 230 Immunity https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3007720
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Part of the Chris Cox/ Ron Wyden team?
Wow... I'm sure it made sense at the time, but the grief this law has unleashed on the general public for 20 years? has been unreal.. I don't see that mentioned so much on pro 230 articles usually so for some balance, that's why I posted those 3 which do a much better job than a layman can.. Very well written/ researched.
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I mean comment above..newbie.
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Thanks Mike, that was my response below, I was not logged in...
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One guy, thanks.
To be fair, Facebook will remove bad stuff, but the Backpage thing is tip of a huge iceberg of bad actors our there that the 230 enables.
So many extortion websites now that the 230 enables who can count?...
The 2nd article, "the internet will not break..", lays out why the internet would be just fine without the 230, and the US would not be cultural cesspool that the 230 has made it. Look at UK, Europe, and Australia.
And the Economist article points out how websites in US are getting away with murder in this "parallel legal universe".
And the Chu article is fantastic as well.
The 230 was naively passed in 1998... 'GOOD SAMARITANS".. as if Americans are nice fun people who will act nicely and legally.. This law is an abomination that has allowed enormous legalized criminality/ extortion, and coarsened the culture.
Re: Re: Re: Re: The pain of reading those articles...
Anonymous, thanks.
Read the Economist, those guys are pretty good writers. The mag has been around for 100 years. Arthur Chu article is quite good. Rana F of Financial Times recently. Now lot of anti 230 articles coming out. The game is up... 20 years of a parallel legal universe. Free pass... Total BS. Ruining the Culture of our country.
Re: Re: Re: The pain of reading those articles...
Thanks One Guy
1-- Yes very very expensive and hard to do those default judgements and you and have get done in one year. What do once the year is up??? (then Statue of limitation)
2--Ripoff Report, Complaints board and the whole fake complaint - extortion industry which the 230 enables--routinely ignores court orders. They don't have to do anything. They have the 230 backing them up!
Re: The pain of reading those articles...
"Go to court, get a ruling, bring it back to the site. There's the 'reason'."
Ridiculous:
1-Lawyer fees for this (and you will need a season lawyer),are about 10k, to 15k -- the other 99% cannot afford that.
2- Before you blink, the statue of limitations is over. Then what do?
3- Sites are not obliged, thanks to the American section 230 to honor the court ruling.
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PS , the 2nd article has a download link.. it's actually about 30 pages or so..
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Thanks One Guy.. good writing, hats off to you. Some good points.
Yes you said it well, "People can be jerks, and this can have real consequences to others"
But I side with the Economist and the other writers.
For 100 years (and currently),print press are responsible for their users toxic bile, but the American public has to suffer for 20 years plus because it's the just internet?
Only the US, not UK, Europe, Australia, has this abomination of the 230.. These websites are just getting away with murder. The game/ charade is up.
The Pain of the 230
For another angle,
Here are a few great articles on the pain and grief that the 230 brings to Americans and the culture on a daily basis, here are three great articles:
THE ECONOMIST: Eroding Exceptionalism: Internet firms legal immunity is under Threat
https://www.economist.com/news/business/21716661-platforms-have-benefited-greatly-special-legal-and-regulatory-treatment-internet-firms
The Internet Will Not Break: Denying Bad Samaritans Section 230 Immunity
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3007720
TECH CRUNCH:
https://techcrunch.com/2015/09/29/mr-obama-tear-down-this-liability-shield/